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RTX 2070 or Vega 64?

On 4/19/2019 at 8:22 AM, Zberg said:

BTW those 2 deals were through the NewEgg store on ebay if you are looking

I already got my self ROG Strix Vega56 only at 360 USD(On sale)..and after doing some research i found this :

 

So i think i'm just gonna save money with this...Mybe i can just upgrade the GPU sometime in the future.,,
Have a nice day :)

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Posted (edited) · Original PosterOP

Hi Guys,

 

Currently i'm planning to upgrade my GPU and not sure between RTX 2070 or Vega 64?

I'm also new in this PC building/Gaming

 

Spec :

I'm using X470 Gigabytes Wifi 5 For MOBO and Ryzen 2700x for CPU. 16G of DDR4 3200mhz. PSU - cooler master 750watt (80+Bronze)

 

In my Country the rate as per below(as of April 2019 FXrate) : All New item not second hand

 

ASUS VGA ATI RX VEGA 64 8GB (STRIX-RXVEGA64-O8G-GAMING) - 617.06

GIGABYTE RX VEGA 64 GAMING OC - 551.73 USD
POWERCOLOR Red Devil Radeon™ Vega 64 8GB - 474.05 USD

 

GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 2070 WINDFORCE 8GB GDDR6 - 538.17 USD
GALAX RTX 2070 EX Gamer White ( 1 Click OC ) 27NSL6UCW6GX - 524.62 USD

ZOTAC GAMING GeForce RTX 2070 AMP Extreme Core - 638.60 USD

 

I'm looking for 1440px gaming experience and based on my research they are all solid contender.

 

Maybe some guidance in the term of not  only value for money(I should just take the cheapest) but also OC / longevity of the card .

 

Thanks in advance if I missed any comment/advise.

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First, check that psu planned againast the new psu tier list if you havent already done so.

 

The 2070 is not the greates value, 2060 is cheaper and close in perf (both are mediocre 1440p); if wanting high refresh step up to 2080 would be preffered, but depends on the titles.

 

Given the limited info (required refresh rate and titles planning to play) and looking at the components i'd lean towards the vega, but only for a good price.

 

Disclaimer: just my 2 cts :)

 

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Shop around. I went on to ebay and set it to "buy now" and got a RTX 2080 xc ultra for $650 and it is real clean, box, static bag, like new. As long as you are ready to buy and luck out that day you can find a good quick deal. Good luck. Oh EVGA has web sales every Wednesday so get on there early. 

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10 minutes ago, Bartholomew said:

First, check that psu planned againast the new psu tier list if you havent already done so.

 

The 2070 is not the greates value, 2060 is cheaper and close in perf (both are mediocre 1440p); if wanting high refresh step up to 2080 would be preffered, but depends on the titles.

 

Given the limited info (required refresh rate and titles planning to play) and looking at the components i'd lean towards the vega, but only for a good price.

 

Disclaimer: just my 2 cts :)

 

Hi Bro,sorry i meant to say 750watt(post amended) which is as advised by AMD for Vega 64..
So which one of the Vega 64 u will recommend out of those 3 ?
what is 2 cts?
I'm obviously noob here ..

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I tested the Master Watt 550W with VEGA, except for the whining of the PSU no issues so far.

Though I'd no recommend that unit for VEGA because it only has one PCIe connector and its not hardwired or a hardwired PCIe cable.


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Posted · Original PosterOP
8 minutes ago, JoeDuuude said:

Shop around. I went on to ebay and set it to "buy now" and got a RTX 2080 xc ultra for $650 and it is real clean, box, static bag, like new. As long as you are ready to buy and luck out that day you can find a good quick deal. Good luck. Oh EVGA has web sales every Wednesday so get on there early. 

My country doesn't have Ebay bro ..
I live in South East Asian country and I'm looking for new GPU not a second hand one as those card i post are all new...
EVGA present in my country but they only sell GPU (T_T) #DevelopingCountryIssue
thanks for the advise :)

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1 minute ago, Khan92 said:

So which one of the Vega 64 u will recommend out of those 3 ?

because of the prices and so on, I'd get the Powercolor.

The ASUS is sadly far outpriced. If it wasn't that expensive, maybe.

The GIGABYTE is probably really loud.

 

1 minute ago, Khan92 said:

what is 2 cts?

2 cents

 

Means my oppionion.

 

1 minute ago, Khan92 said:

I'm obviously noob here ..

Naa, you're not!
You're inexperienced.

 

"noob" doesn't just mean inexperienced, it also comes with a certain behaviour.


"Hell is full of good meanings, but Heaven is full of good works"

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1 minute ago, Khan92 said:

Hi Bro,sorry i meant to say 750watt(post amended) which is as advised by AMD for Vega 64..
So which one of the Vega 64 u will recommend out of those 3 ?
what is 2 cts?
I'm obviously noob here ..

😁 "just my 2 cents"; is just a saying that "just my humble opinion and certainly not 'gospel' "

 

Im not fammiliar enough with vega to recommend specific model

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Posted · Original PosterOP
4 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

because of the prices and so on, I'd get the Powercolor.

The ASUS is sadly far outpriced. If it wasn't that expensive, maybe.

The GIGABYTE is probably really loud.

 

2 cents

 

Means my oppionion.

 

Naa, you're not!
You're inexperienced.

 

"noob" doesn't just mean inexperienced, it also comes with a certain behaviour.

Hhahahha
Thank you for your guidance ,,,I will make my decision soon I hope.Cheers! :)
 

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Posted · Original PosterOP
9 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

I tested the Master Watt 550W with VEGA, except for the whining of the PSU no issues so far.

Though I'd no recommend that unit for VEGA because it only has one PCIe connector and its not hardwired or a hardwired PCIe cable.

Interesting experiment u were doing...I'll keep this in mind when making decision :)

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First of all - that looks like a pretty decent build so far but personally I'd go for the RTX 2070 for a carefree experience, simply because they are the market leader and most game devs will optimize for NVidia GPUs rather than AMDs because of that.

As for which model - well, I'm not a fan of either of the 3 options - while the coolers are all good the fans propably aren't. Pretty sure that Gigabyte and ZOTAC use sleeve bearings which can have a MTBF of as low as 20.000hrs which isn't much for a GPU fan. Not sure about the Galax, tho.

But I can wholeheartedly recommend the card I bought - which is the MSI RTX 2070 Armor. It uses Ball bearings which will propably last an eternity unless I get really unlucky, it overclocks very well despite being a non "A" chip and runs relatively cool and quiet. And with relatively I mean it's audible but never unpleasent - that's with the case standing on my desk right next to me, btw. I bought it for 508€ but prices went up recently to 520€ minimum but that's still not a terrible price for it imo. And I still love it and am super happy that I chose that specific model.


CPU: Intel Core I5 4690k | Mainboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97MX-Gaming 5 | RAM: 16GB DDR3 HyperX Savage 2133 | GPU: MSI RTX 2070 Armor | Case: Xigmatek Aquila |   PSU: Corsair RM650i | SSD: Crucial m500 120GB | HDDs: 2x Seagate Barracuda 4TB | CPU Cooler: Bequiet Dark Rock 3 | Casefans: Bitfenix Spectre LED red 200mm (Intake), 2x Bequiet Pure Wings 2 140mm (Exhaust) | OS: Windows 10 Pro 64 Bit

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6 hours ago, Hans Power said:

First of all - that looks like a pretty decent build so far but personally I'd go for the RTX 2070 for a carefree experience, simply because they are the market leader and most game devs will optimize for NVidia GPUs rather than AMDs because of that.

As for which model - well, I'm not a fan of either of the 3 options - while the coolers are all good the fans propably aren't. Pretty sure that Gigabyte and ZOTAC use sleeve bearings which can have a MTBF of as low as 20.000hrs which isn't much for a GPU fan. Not sure about the Galax, tho.

But I can wholeheartedly recommend the card I bought - which is the MSI RTX 2070 Armor. It uses Ball bearings which will propably last an eternity unless I get really unlucky, it overclocks very well despite being a non "A" chip and runs relatively cool and quiet. And with relatively I mean it's audible but never unpleasent - that's with the case standing on my desk right next to me, btw. I bought it for 508€ but prices went up recently to 520€ minimum but that's still not a terrible price for it imo. And I still love it and am super happy that I chose that specific model.

Wow..that is very informative I'm not aware of the bearing in the fans ... I'll will do more research then before deciding on anything... Appreciate all the help I'm getting from this forum 😊 cheers

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I'd rate cards something like this:

RTX 2070>= Vega 64 LC > GTX 1080=Vega 64.

Can you get Sapphire Vega 64 Nitro+ in your country? It's best air cooled Vega card that will also accept LC BIOS, meaning it pretty much matches (depending on optimization) RTX 2070. 

Although considering prices, just go with 2070


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2 hours ago, Khan92 said:

Wow..that is very informative I'm not aware of the bearing in the fans ... I'll will do more research then before deciding on anything... Appreciate all the help I'm getting from this forum 😊 cheers

Ball bearings aren't a guarantee for a good overall card, unfortunately. The Gigabyte 2070 (Extreme) 8G also has ballbearings but the fan and cooler design is so bad that the card becomes really loud according to some Reviews and it's so heavy that they supplied a support bracket with the card so that it doesn't sag too much. And I'm also not a big fan of the MSI Ventus Models because those don't have a 0 Fan mode where the fans shut down when the card stays below 60°C.

From what I can see on the spec sheet and overall reviews I'd recommend all EVGA cards as well if you can find one at a cheaper price than the MSI Armor card. Those use Fluid Dynamic Bearings and those also have a very long life expectancy and theoretically even lower noise than Ball Bearings. But the lower end RTX 2070 models from EVGA like the "black" only use a single power connecter, have a power limit of 107% and use a reference PCB, while the MSI RTX 2070 Armor has 2 power connectors, a power limit of 114% and a huge and nicely overbuild custom PCB. At a lower price EVGA is still a good recommendation, tho, imo.


CPU: Intel Core I5 4690k | Mainboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97MX-Gaming 5 | RAM: 16GB DDR3 HyperX Savage 2133 | GPU: MSI RTX 2070 Armor | Case: Xigmatek Aquila |   PSU: Corsair RM650i | SSD: Crucial m500 120GB | HDDs: 2x Seagate Barracuda 4TB | CPU Cooler: Bequiet Dark Rock 3 | Casefans: Bitfenix Spectre LED red 200mm (Intake), 2x Bequiet Pure Wings 2 140mm (Exhaust) | OS: Windows 10 Pro 64 Bit

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IDK about where you are but SEA don't really have EVGA for a brand that is cheap, there is Galax, zotac, msi. For Vega try to get nitro+.

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50 minutes ago, Hans Power said:

Ball bearings aren't a guarantee for a good overall card, unfortunately. The Gigabyte 2070 (Extreme) 8G also has ballbearings but the fan and cooler design is so bad that the card becomes really loud according to some Reviews and it's so heavy that they supplied a support bracket with the card so that it doesn't sag too much. And I'm also not a big fan of the MSI Ventus Models because those don't have a 0 Fan mode where the fans shut down when the card stays below 60°C.

From what I can see on the spec sheet and overall reviews I'd recommend all EVGA cards as well if you can find one at a cheaper price than the MSI Armor card. Those use Fluid Dynamic Bearings and those also have a very long life expectancy and theoretically even lower noise than Ball Bearings. But the lower end RTX 2070 models from EVGA like the "black" only use a single power connecter, have a power limit of 107% and use a reference PCB, while the MSI RTX 2070 Armor has 2 power connectors, a power limit of 114% and a huge and nicely overbuild custom PCB. At a lower price EVGA is still a good recommendation, tho, imo.

I did saw only one shop in my country sell EVGA for the same price as MSI Armour but it's very suspicious when tht is the only place sell it... kindda worried about the warranty...we do have Galax/Zotac/gigabyte for budget option.. thanks for the recommendation.. I will check further with the store for more information on tht EVGA card .. 

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33 minutes ago, Oalei said:

IDK about where you are but SEA don't really have EVGA for a brand that is cheap, there is Galax, zotac, msi. For Vega try to get nitro+.

Yup2 u r right . u must live in the same region to..Nitro plus 64 never reach here 😅 to bad...i c alot of ppl recommending this card

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19 minutes ago, Khan92 said:

I did saw only one shop in my country sell EVGA for the same price as MSI Armour but it's very suspicious when tht is the only place sell it... kindda worried about the warranty...we do have Galax/Zotac/gigabyte for budget option.. thanks for the recommendation.. I will check further with the store for more information on tht EVGA card .. 

For the same price I'd rather go for the MSI armour. That one is the better card overall.


CPU: Intel Core I5 4690k | Mainboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97MX-Gaming 5 | RAM: 16GB DDR3 HyperX Savage 2133 | GPU: MSI RTX 2070 Armor | Case: Xigmatek Aquila |   PSU: Corsair RM650i | SSD: Crucial m500 120GB | HDDs: 2x Seagate Barracuda 4TB | CPU Cooler: Bequiet Dark Rock 3 | Casefans: Bitfenix Spectre LED red 200mm (Intake), 2x Bequiet Pure Wings 2 140mm (Exhaust) | OS: Windows 10 Pro 64 Bit

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42 minutes ago, Khan92 said:

Yup2 u r right . u must live in the same region to..Nitro plus 64 never reach here 😅 to bad...i c alot of ppl recommending this card

Really dude? I at least have it here and the price is lower 1million idr than 2070. Well I can only say get the 2070 cause there is no nitro+ anyway

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Posted · Original PosterOP

So a day after posting this I saw there's an anniversary sales for one of the local tech shop..they offered Asus ROG Strix Vega56 only at 360 USD(Limited to only 10 units)
I can easily OC this card to match vega 64 ..I manage to be the 2nd buyer at their website..Thanks everyone for their help here..Much appreciated! May the force be with you

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On 4/16/2019 at 6:30 PM, JoeDuuude said:

Shop around. I went on to ebay and set it to "buy now" and got a RTX 2080 xc ultra for $650 and it is real clean, box, static bag, like new. As long as you are ready to buy and luck out that day you can find a good quick deal. Good luck. Oh EVGA has web sales every Wednesday so get on there early. 

Also if you can wait it out there are some fantastic deals.  MSI had one of their 2080's (ventus?) on sale with anthem/BFV for 630, gigabyte had the same deal on their windforce triple fan model for I think 639 if I recall correctly.  They come up now and then.  Aside from that, you can also find like new cards on Ebay (I had only great experiences there fortunately).

 

Consider a 1080ti if you are looking at the vega and 2070.  You can def find some at competitive pricing, and the 1080ti is a beast of a card.

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Just now, Zberg said:

Also if you can wait it out there are some fantastic deals.  MSI had one of their 2080's (ventus?) on sale with anthem/BFV for 630, gigabyte had the same deal on their windforce triple fan model for I think 639 if I recall correctly.  They come up now and then.  Aside from that, you can also find like new cards on Ebay (I had only great experiences there fortunately).

 

Consider a 1080ti if you are looking at the vega and 2070.  You can def find some at competitive pricing, and the 1080ti is a beast of a card.

BTW those 2 deals were through the NewEgg store on ebay if you are looking

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On 4/19/2019 at 8:22 AM, Zberg said:

BTW those 2 deals were through the NewEgg store on ebay if you are looking

I already got my self ROG Strix Vega56 only at 360 USD(On sale)..and after doing some research i found this :

 

So i think i'm just gonna save money with this...Mybe i can just upgrade the GPU sometime in the future.,,
Have a nice day :)

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