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From 6500 to 6700 or 8700

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Posted · Original PosterOP

Hi,

 

I'm currently using a system that houses a i5 6500 with 32 GB RAM. I play some AAA games, but not that often. I do some heavy graphical work which require me to have multiple Adobe applications open simultaneously as well as some 3D modeling and motion graphics. So far I've had no issues, but often see some super-short coffee breaks from my PC (they occur randomly when I'm using Photoshop or After Effects). They're not that big of a deal, but simply annoying because my OS drive is an NVMe SSD and I don't expect these short stares.

 

I'm planning to upgrade my processor and am given a choice.

 

1. i7 6700

2. i7 8700 + Asus TUF H370 (because I'm on a 6th gen board)

 

My question is do cores matter or do they make a significant impact? Some people said I'm better off with the 6700 because it's cheaper and does the work. They also said, I didn't need more cores for the type of work I do. Another group of people suggested I upgraded to the 8700 as more applications and games are heading towards utilization of multiple cores in order to deliver better results.

 

Need some experts' advice and please do mention the reason behind your suggestion.

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The i7 8700 is significantly better than an i7 6700.

 

You get 2 cores / 4 threads extra.

More Cache.

Newer Lithography/Architecture so higher IPC (14nm vs 14nm++)

Higher All cores Turbo Boost Frequency: 3.6ghz vs 4.3ghz

Better iGPU for QuickSync Hardware Acceleration in Adobe.

 

the i7 8700 is a clear winner if you're going to spend money altogether, I strongly advise against a Asus TUF though, it's just overpriced even a B360M D3H from Gigabyte would suffice.


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As of now, used prices on a 6700 just aren't worth it. When you can get an 8th gen or 9th gen i5 that has the same or better performance in both single and multithreaded, and for cheaper, the 6700 just doesn't make sense at this time, unless you nab a pretty great deal around $120. 

 

The i5 9400f that's out right now is still reasonably close to its launch MSRP, would not make a bad upgrade.

 

Of course, there's always good old Ryzen


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12 minutes ago, mobe5 said:

1. i7 6700

2. i7 8700 + Asus TUF H370 (because I'm on a 6th gen board)

I have an i7 6700. It's old now, there's no point in getting one. If you have the choice between an i7 8700 and i7 6700, the obvious choice is the i7 8700.

 

Also, wait for Zen 2 chips to hit the market before getting a CPU. Because those might be a bit faster than what Intel currently has to offer.


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9 minutes ago, fasauceome said:

The i5 9400f that's out right now is still reasonably close to its launch MSRP, would not make a bad upgrade.

It would because you lose the iGPU and believe me hardware acceleration through Quick Sync is what made an i7 8700K match a TR 1950X in rendering on Adobe... it's a massive difference and a must have rendering the i5 9400F useless if you're going for a more serious work on Adobe software.


Workstation Rig:
CPU:  Intel Core i9 9900K @5.0ghz  |~| Cooling: beQuiet! Dark Rock 4 |~|  MOBO: Asus Z390M ROG Maximus XI GENE |~| RAM: 32gb 3333mhz CL15 G.Skill Trident Z RGB |~| GPU: nVidia TITAN V  |~| PSU: beQuiet! Dark Power Pro 11 80Plus Platinum  |~| Boot: Intel 660p 2TB NVMe |~| Storage: 2X4TB HDD 7200rpm Seagate Iron Wolf + 2X2TB SSD SanDisk Ultra |~| Case: Cooler Master Case Pro 3 |~| Display: Acer Predator X34 3440x1440p100hz |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro.
 
Personal Use Rig:
CPU: Intel Core i9 9900 @4.75ghz |~| Cooling: beQuiet! Shadow Rock Slim |~| MOBO: Gigabyte Z390M Gaming mATX|~| RAM: 16gb DDR4 3400mhzCL15 Viper Steel |~| GPU: nVidia Founders Edition RTX 2080 Ti |~| PSU: beQuiet! Straight Power 11 80Plus Gold  |~|  Boot:  Intel 660p 2TB NVMe |~| Storage: 2x2TB SanDisk SSD Ultra 3D |~| Case: Cooler Master Case Pro 3 |~| Display: Viotek GN34CB 3440x1440p100hz |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro.


HTPC / "Console of the house":

CPU: Intel Core i7 8700 @4.45ghz |~| Cooling: Cooler Master Hyper 212X |~| MOBO: Gigabyte Z370M D3H mATX|~| RAM: 16gb DDR4 3333mhzCL16 G.Skill Trident Z |~| GPU: nVidia Founders Edition GTX 1080 Ti |~| PSU: Corsair TX650M 80Plus Gold |~| Boot:  SSD WD Green M.2 2280 240GB |~| Storage: 1x3TB HDD 7200rpm Seagate Barracuda + SanDisk Ultra 3D 1TB |~| Case: Fractal Design Meshify C Mini |~| Display: Toshiba UL7A 4K/60hz |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro.
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13 hours ago, mobe5 said:

I'm planning to upgrade my processor and am given a choice.

 

1. i7 6700

2. i7 8700 + Asus TUF H370 (because I'm on a 6th gen board)

Neither.

Hold on until Ryzen 3000 series is released at the end of next month and look at that when its released instead.

 

 

That might be the better choice, we will know more in around 6 Weeks.

 


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Posted · Original PosterOP
43 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

Neither.

Hold on until Ryzen 3000 series is released at the end of next month and look at that when its released instead.

That might be the better choice, we will know more in around 6 Weeks.

 

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I've seen Ryzen (1700x and 2700x) performance with Adobe apps, not too pleasing in my humble opinion. I'm open to learning more about it.

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6 minutes ago, mobe5 said:

not too pleasing in my humble opinion. I'm open to learning more about it.

the non-x ryzen are great overclockers, cheaper too.

of coz they cant beat intel top chips but they are almost half of it price

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I guess 3rd gen Ryzen will be an improvement compared to 1xxx and 2xxx CPU-s, but, I doubt it will offer better single core-single thread performance to current Intel offerings.

 

It's just my guess though... For the Original question: 8700 without doubt.


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