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Just now, Tristerin said:

10-4 post as much info as you can from HWmonitor, will help us glean the potential issues.

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Whenever i play cs:go, my fps are the same even if i have the lowest ingame available settings with the lowest resolution or the highest ingame settings on 1080p, ( around 150-160 ) 

I know it should run better on a GTX 1050. 

Im not even playing on the highest settings. my settings are 4:3 stretched (1400x1050) and a mix of med-high settings with no anti aliasing.

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Go into driver options and set everything to maximum performance


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CSGO is pretty cpu dependent, if you want better performance in game you'd need a cpu upgrade

 

Though, are you playing on a 1080p 60hz display? If that's the case, you shouldnt even care


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3 minutes ago, k1NNd said:

Whenever i play cs:go, my fps are the same even if i have the lowest ingame available settings with the lowest resolution or the highest ingame settings on 1080p, ( around 150-160 ) 

I know it should run better on a GTX 1050.

My specs: 

CPU: Intel Core™ i5-3470 @ 3.2 GHz
GPU: MSI GeForce GTX 1050 2GT ; 2GB GDDR5 128bit bus.
RAM: 8GB DDR3 Dual-Channel @ 1600 MHz
PSU: Inter-Tech Energon 650W
Case: Deepcool Tesseract SW
HDD 1: WD Caviar 250 GB 7200 RPM
SSD: Kingston A400 240gb

Thanks for your time.

Think of it like this:

 

Your CPU builds Frame Time...that CPU (I have one in use right now) is building...3 lbs of Frame time

Your GPU places Frames inside Frame time.  The GPU may be able to create 4 lbs of Frames...but your CPU is only creating a 3 lb bag to shove frames into.

 

The best way to tell is utilization - what is your CPU and GPU running at during gameplay?  If the CPU is at 100% and the GPU is at 75% (example) you have a Frame time issue (CPU bottleneck).  If your GPU is at 100% and your CPU is at 50% we have a bottleneck at the GPU potentially.


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Just now, Slottr said:

CSGO is pretty cpu dependent, if you want better performance in game you'd need a cpu upgrade

 

Though, are you playing on a 1080p 60hz display? If that's the case, you shouldnt even care

Yeah, i'm playing on a 1080p 60 hz display. 

But i feel the difference between 160 fps and 300 and i know my pc can run this game at over 300 fps with no problem.

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2 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

Think of it like this:

 

Your CPU builds Frame Time...that CPU (I have one in use right now) is building...3 lbs of Frame time

Your GPU places Frames inside Frame time.  The GPU may be able to create 4 lbs of Frames...but your CPU is only creating a 3 lb bag to shove frames into.

 

The best way to tell is utilization - what is your CPU and GPU running at during gameplay?  If the CPU is at 100% and the GPU is at 75% (example) you have a Frame time issue (CPU bottleneck).  If your GPU is at 100% and your CPU is at 50% we have a bottleneck at the GPU potentially.

What program should i use to monitor my GPU/CPU utilization%?

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What program should i use to monitor my GPU/CPU utilization%?

Task manager

 

Or HWmonitor is my personal favorite all around monitor because it keeps min/max values and is an easy interface


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Just now, Tristerin said:

Task manager

 

Or HWmonitor is my personal favorite all around monitor because it keeps min/max values and is an easy interface

i already got hwmonitor because i had a throttling problem in the past. i'll use that on the next match i play and i'll let you know what the usages are.

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@k1NNd if you use HWmonitor once ingame, alt tab and reset values (so you don't get load values but actual gameplay values) play for 20 minutes or so in the most intensive ways possible and then give us a screenshot of the mins and maxes of the CPU/GPU and temps for giggles.  RAM utilization too - though I doubt its using 8gb, and if it is, and you are using a spin drive to load from that could also not help.


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2 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

@k1NNd if you use HWmonitor once ingame, alt tab and reset values (so you don't get load values but actual gameplay values) play for 20 minutes or so in the most intensive ways possible and then give us a screenshot of the mins and maxes of the CPU/GPU and temps for giggles.  RAM utilization too - though I doubt its using 8gb, and if it is, and you are using a spin drive to load from that could also not help.

I doubt it's using the 8gb too and the game is installed on the SSD

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Just now, k1NNd said:

I doubt it's using the 8gb, and the game is installed on the SSD

10-4 post as much info as you can from HWmonitor, will help us glean the potential issues.


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Just now, Tristerin said:

10-4 post as much info as you can from HWmonitor, will help us glean the potential issues.

k. be right back in 20-30 mins

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41 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

10-4 post as much info as you can from HWmonitor, will help us glean the potential issues.

the results i got after 1 match of csgo competitive

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Regardless of the game, the higher your FPS the more of an impact CPU performance becomes. it doesnt require your CPU to be maxed out even, its simply down to the single thread performance and how fast the CPU can feed data to the GPU.

 

I for example dont dare bother with 1080p benchmarks becouse i know full well my 1080ti would be held back in top end FPS due to my 3930k vs other newer systems running 9900k for example. That said, it doesnt bother me ingame because i never push FPS high enough for it to matter.


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3 minutes ago, k1NNd said:

the results i got after 1 match of csgo competitive

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the cpu was sitting around 75-95%. it jumped to 100% in the main menu but then it settled and the gpu was sitting at 80-98% but never to 100%

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4 minutes ago, SolarNova said:

Regardless of the game, the higher your FPS the more of an impact CPU performance becomes. it doesnt require your CPU to be maxed out even, its simply down to the single thread performance and how fast the CPU can feed data to the GPU.

 

I for example dont dare bother with 1080p benchmarks becouse i know full well my 1080ti would be held back in top end FPS due to my 3930k vs other newer systems running 9900k for example. That said, it doesnt bother me ingame because i never push FPS high enough for it to matter.

i dont play on 1080p. i play on 1280x1024 stretched, my preference of playing the game and a mixture of medium-high settings with no aa. i know my gpu is not that powerful but it should handle the game well over 200 fps with no problem, which it isnt. it only jumped over 200 fps when i was looking at the sky and in the upper tunnels area of the map de_dust2. It fluctuated around the 160 fps mark. i may sound unsatisfied with the 160 fps but i know that my pc can score higher figures.

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56 minutes ago, k1NNd said:

i dont play on 1080p. i play on 1280x1024 stretched, my preference of playing the game and a mixture of medium-high settings with no aa. i know my gpu is not that powerful but it should handle the game well over 200 fps with no problem, which it isnt. it only jumped over 200 fps when i was looking at the sky and in the upper tunnels area of the map de_dust2. It fluctuated around the 160 fps mark. i may sound unsatisfied with the 160 fps but i know that my pc can score higher figures.

You have a CPU bottleneck occurring, but your GPU is about maxed out as well from what I can tell.  Single core performance really matters for building those frame times the most and Im not sure I agree it can go that much higher.

 

Do you run MSI Afterburner and use its OSD to monitor during gameplay?  When at 160 fps what are the figures round-a-bout at?


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Ill download CSGO tonight on my i5 3470 machine and see what my R7 260x 2gb gets on a 1280x1024 monitor I also have if I get time, just to get an idea of how that interacts with my setup


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CS:GO Dling on my i5 3470 w/ R7 260x 2gb - it should be a semi close comparison when it comes to the delta between our GPUs

 

Userbenchmark reports your GPU getting an average of 10 fps more than my R7 in CS:GO (its a very loose guideline nothing specific to note here).  I just did a fresh Win 10 install etc on this puter so it should scream for what it is.  Difference though is I only have storage for the game on a spin drive but I have 16gb of RAM in this rig so shouldn't be an issue unless I spin circles a bunch.

 

Should be downloaded in 15 minutes or so will monitor and play a little but have to go after that and spend time with the fam


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Playing on a spin drive is ridiculous lol - it downloaded really fast so got 2 maps in, some kills and action, results are:

 

@ 1280x1050 resolution (old monitor I have to try to match yours)

Medium on all settings and no AA - 100 average FPS (90 low 140 high)

High on all settings AA set to max - 50-80 average FPS

 

 

HW (1).PNG


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Id say your getting what you should be getting with the GPU being the difference here


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On 4/15/2019 at 2:02 AM, Tristerin said:

Playing on a spin drive is ridiculous lol - it downloaded really fast so got 2 maps in, some kills and action, results are:

 

@ 1280x1050 resolution (old monitor I have to try to match yours)

Medium on all settings and no AA - 100 average FPS (90 low 140 high)

High on all settings AA set to max - 50-80 average FPS

 

 

HW (1).PNG

Even if userbenchmarks rate my GPU only 10 fps higher, my game on highest settings in a comp match doesnt go lower than 100 fps for sure. 

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8 minutes ago, k1NNd said:

Even if userbenchmarks rate my GPU only 10 fps higher, my game on highest settings in a comp match doesnt go lower than 100 fps for sure. 

Userbenchmark is like the Pirates Code .... a Very very loose set of guidelines.  The reality is the GPUs aren't even in the same category for performance - the 1050 being MUCH better. 

 

What I am saying is that, given the performance delta between the GPUs you are hitting the FPS you should - in my opinion of how hardware operates together. 

 

Others may say Im wrong but will need to prove it out so I can learn as well :)


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