Good Ram/CPU/MoBo bundle?

[Cookiecrumbles222]

Hey, guys, this is my current build and I want to upgrade because I just got a third monitor and it is now running all laggy. I am thinking just a new set of mobo/ram/CPU will do I just want it to be able to run a game on one screen, chrome video on another, and homework/second video/browsing on the third without lag. I don't care what brand, but does anyone know what would work best with my SLI set up I have now? I don't have a budget I just want it to be the least expensive as possible. (two monitors are out the main card, and one is out of the motherboard graphics.)

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	Intel - Core i5-4460 3.2 GHz Quad-Core Processor	$279.89 @ OutletPC
Motherboard	MSI - Z97S SLI Krait Edition ATX LGA1150 Motherboard
Memory	G.Skill - Ares Series 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR3-1866 Memory	$84.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 250 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	$119.89 @ OutletPC
Storage	Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$44.89 @ OutletPC
Video Card	EVGA - GeForce GTX 970 4 GB ACX 2.0 Video Card (2-Way SLI)
Video Card	EVGA - GeForce GTX 970 4 GB ACX 2.0 Video Card (2-Way SLI)
Case	Rosewill - Challenger-U3 ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply	EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply	$129.89 @ OutletPC
Monitor	Acer - XB240H ABPR 24.0" 1920x1080 144 Hz Monitor	Purchased For $0.00
Keyboard	Corsair - K70 RGB Wired Gaming Keyboard	Purchased For $0.00
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$679.55
	Mail-in rebates	-$20.00
	Total	$659.55
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-04-12 16:40 EDT-0400

 

[MeatFeastMan]

Here you go. That will be able to do what you want, easily.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2 GHz 6-Core Processor	$127.50 @ Amazon
Motherboard	ASRock - Fatal1ty X470 Gaming K4 ATX AM4 Motherboard	$129.89 @ OutletPC
Memory	Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-2400 Memory	$79.99 @ Amazon
Storage	Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 250 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	Purchased For $0.00
Storage	Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	Purchased For $0.00
Video Card	EVGA - GeForce GTX 970 4 GB ACX 2.0 Video Card (2-Way SLI)
Video Card	EVGA - GeForce GTX 970 4 GB ACX 2.0 Video Card (2-Way SLI)
Case	Rosewill - Challenger-U3 ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply	EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply	Purchased For $0.00
Monitor	Acer - XB240H ABPR 24.0" 1920x1080 144 Hz Monitor	Purchased For $0.00
Keyboard	Corsair - K70 RGB Wired Gaming Keyboard	Purchased For $0.00
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$367.38
	Mail-in rebates	-$30.00
	Total	$337.38
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-04-12 16:49 EDT-0400

 

[Slottr]

Do something like this:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor	$164.89 @ OutletPC
Motherboard	MSI - B450 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard	$114.99 @ B&H
Memory	Team - Vulcan 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$79.89 @ OutletPC
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$359.77
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-04-12 16:50 EDT-0400

 

Can make it cheaper and get a pro4 board from asrock

 

On 4/12/2019 at 3:50 PM, MeatFeastMan said:

Here you go. That will be able to do what you want, easily.

 

PCPaPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2 GHz 6-Core Processor	$127.50 @ Amazon
Motherboard	ASRock - Fatal1ty X470 Gaming K4 ATX AM4 Motherboard	$129.89 @ OutletPC
Memory	Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-2400 Memory	$79.99 @ Amazon

 

You got a first gen ryzen chip with an expensive motherboard and slow ram my guy

[MeatFeastMan]

Just now, Slottr said:

You got a first gen ryzen chip with an expensive motherboard and slow ram my guy

He wants it as cheap as possible and fast ram wasn't necessary. Reason for the motherboard is because b450 doesn't support 970 sli.

[Slottr]

2 minutes ago, MeatFeastMan said:

He wants it as cheap as possible and fast ram wasn't necessary. Reason for the motherboard is because b450 doesn't support 970 sli.

Oh damn, you're right.

 

But fast ram is necessary for Ryzen, 3000mhz optimally 

[Cookiecrumbles222]

Just now, Slottr said:

Oh damn, you're right.

 

But fast ram is necessary for Ryzen, 3000mhz optimally 

 

1 minute ago, MeatFeastMan said:

He wants it as cheap as possible and fast ram wasn't necessary. Reason for the motherboard is because b450 doesn't support 970 sli.

I want it run fast and if their price range then I'm ok with going to higher pay I thought it was going to be around 600 so if there is something fast then im fine with doing that

[Slottr]

3 minutes ago, Cookiecrumbles222 said:

 

I want it run fast and if their price range then I'm ok with going to higher pay I thought it was going to be around 600 so if there is something fast then im fine with doing that

Maybe something like this might console you a little better

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	Intel - Core i5-9600K 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor	$264.89 @ OutletPC
Motherboard	ASRock - Z390 Taichi ATX LGA1151 Motherboard	$203.98 @ Newegg
Memory	Team - Vulcan 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$85.88 @ OutletPC
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$554.75
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-04-12 17:00 EDT-0400

Don't know what your cooler situation is so you might need to grab one of those too.

[Cookiecrumbles222]

1 minute ago, Slottr said:

Maybe something like this might console you a little better

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	Intel - Core i5-9600K 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor	$264.89 @ OutletPC
Motherboard	ASRock - Z390 Taichi ATX LGA1151 Motherboard	$203.98 @ Newegg
Memory	Team - Vulcan 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$85.88 @ OutletPC
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$554.75
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-04-12 17:00 EDT-0400

Don't know what your cooler situation is so you might need to grab one of those too.

which is better for multi-monitor/game running ryzen or Intel?

[Slottr]

2 minutes ago, Cookiecrumbles222 said:

which is better for multi-monitor/game running ryzen or Intel?

You'll be fine either way, intel chips have greater single core performance so you'll see a better fps in games, while ryzen chips do just slightly better in multitasking.

[Cookiecrumbles222]

1 minute ago, Slottr said:

You'll be fine either way, intel chips have greater single core performance so you'll see a better fps in games, while ryzen chips do just slightly better in multitasking.

so is it nesscessary to get that mobo because that seems very expencive for a motherboard the one i had was 118 and it has never had an issue or do they just cost more now, and also is this the right ram? https://www.amazon.com/TEAMGROUP-T-Force-2666MHz-PC4-21300-Desktop/dp/B06W2LL3T5/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?keywords=Team+T-Force+Vulcan+16GB&qid=1555103145&s=gateway&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1

[Slottr]

13 minutes ago, Cookiecrumbles222 said:

so is it nesscessary to get that mobo because that seems very expencive for a motherboard the one i had was 118 and it has never had an issue or do they just cost more now, and also is this the right ram? https://www.amazon.com/TEAMGROUP-T-Force-2666MHz-PC4-21300-Desktop/dp/B06W2LL3T5/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?keywords=Team+T-Force+Vulcan+16GB&qid=1555103145&s=gateway&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1

If you want a cheaper board, grab this one

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Nczkcf/asrock-z390-phantom-gaming-sliac-atx-lga1151-motherboard-z390-phantom-gaming-sliac

 

EDIT: Linked the wrong board 

[jerubedo]

On 4/12/2019 at 4:08 PM, Cookiecrumbles222 said:

so is it nesscessary to get that mobo because that seems very expencive for a motherboard the one i had was 118 and it has never had an issue or do they just cost more now, and also is this the right ram? https://www.amazon.com/TEAMGROUP-T-Force-2666MHz-PC4-21300-Desktop/dp/B06W2LL3T5/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?keywords=Team+T-Force+Vulcan+16GB&qid=1555103145&s=gateway&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1

Go with this:

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	Intel - Core i5-9400F 2.9 GHz 6-Core Processor	$174.89 @ OutletPC
Motherboard	ASRock - Z390 Phantom Gaming SLI/ac ATX LGA1151 Motherboard	$147.85 @ OutletPC
Memory	Crucial - Ballistix Sport AT 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$78.69 @ Newegg
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$421.43
	Mail-in rebates	-$20.00
	Total	$401.43
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-04-12 23:57 EDT-0400

 

The 9400F performs very close to the 9600K for much less and it will definitely beat the Ryzen 2600/2600x by a wide margin in gaming.

 

 

 

 

On 4/12/2019 at 4:14 PM, Slottr said:

If you want a cheaper board, grab this one

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Nczkcf/asrock-z390-phantom-gaming-sliac-atx-lga1151-motherboard-z390-phantom-gaming-sliac

 

EDIT: Linked the wrong board 

That's more expensive than the UD with worse VRMs, so why?

[Slottr]

1 minute ago, jerubedo said:

That's more expensive than the UD with worse VRMs, so why?

SLI support

UD I would have went with, but this was the cheapest "decent" board I knew of w/ sli support

[jerubedo]

5 hours ago, Slottr said:

SLI support

UD I would have went with, but this was the cheapest "decent" board I knew of

The UD does support SLI. This is from their product page:

 

"Multi-Way Graphics Support with PCIe Armor and Ultra Durable™ Design"

 

Poor phrasing in my opinion, but yeah.

 

EDIT: Ignore this, upon further investigation, and with the help of @Herman Mcpootis, the Multi-Way Graphics Support is only for Crossfire and not SLI.

[Slottr]

Just now, jerubedo said:

The UD does support SLI. This is from their product page:

 

"Multi-Way Graphics Support with PCIe Armor and Ultra Durable™ Design"

 

Poor phrasing in my opinion, but yeah.

All this time...

lol tyvm

[Herman Mcpootis]

On 4/12/2019 at 5:52 PM, jerubedo said:

The UD does support SLI. This is from their product page:

 

"Multi-Way Graphics Support with PCIe Armor and Ultra Durable™ Design"

 

Poor phrasing in my opinion, but yeah.

It doesn't. It supports crossfire and only crossfire.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($164.89 @ OutletPC) oc the 2600 to make up the performance difference.
Motherboard: Asus - Prime X470-Pro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($139.89 @ OutletPC) 
Memory: GeIL - EVO SPEAR 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($75.98 @ Newegg Business) 
Total: $380.76
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-04-12 22:55 EDT-0400

[jerubedo]

On 4/12/2019 at 9:50 PM, Herman Mcpootis said:

It doesn't. It supports crossfire and only crossfire.

oh crap, that's so sketchy on their advertisement then. You have to dig a bit before finding the fine print that it's Crossfire only. I guess they didn't want to pay the licensing fee for the BIOS code from Nvidia on their cheapest Z390 board because the board itself does support x8/x8 which is all that's needed for SLI.

 

Normally I'd assume that the statement: "Multi-Way Graphics Support with PCIe Armor and Ultra Durable™ Design" would cover both technologies.

 

It would have been better if they said

"Multi-Way Graphics Support with PCIe Armor and Ultra Durable™ Design *

* -  Multi-Way Graphics Support for AMD Crossfire"

Or

"Multi-Way Graphics Support for AMD Crossfire with PCIe Armor and Ultra Durable™ Design"

But hey, I'm not in advertising so  

 

On 4/12/2019 at 9:55 PM, Herman Mcpootis said:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($164.89 @ OutletPC) oc the 2600 to make up the performance difference.
Motherboard: Asus - Prime X470-Pro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($139.89 @ OutletPC) 
Memory: GeIL - EVO SPEAR 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($75.98 @ Newegg Business) 
Total: $380.76
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-04-12 22:55 EDT-0400

For $18 more you can do this, though, for way better gaming performance (which I'd say is worth the extra $18 personally):

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	Intel - Core i5-9400F 2.9 GHz 6-Core Processor	$174.89 @ OutletPC
Motherboard	ASRock - Z390 Phantom Gaming SLI/ac ATX LGA1151 Motherboard	$147.85 @ OutletPC
Memory	GeIL - EVO SPEAR 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$75.98 @ Newegg Business
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$418.72
	Mail-in rebates	-$20.00
	Total	$398.72
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-04-12 23:53 EDT-0400

 

[Herman Mcpootis]

7 hours ago, jerubedo said:

For $18 more you can do this, though, for way better gaming performance (which I'd say is worth the extra $18 personally):

 

you're overblowing the performance difference, the 8400/9400F gets just 12 more FPS than the stock ryzen 2600 with a 1080ti in 1080p on average, and even less in higher resolutions. 

[jerubedo]

On 4/13/2019 at 5:59 AM, Herman Mcpootis said:

you're overblowing the performance difference, the 8400/9400F gets just 12 more FPS than the stock ryzen 2600 with a 1080ti in 1080p on average, and even less in higher resolutions. 

The 9400f performs another 8% better than the 8400. That would be 19 FPS better. Certainly worth the extra $18.

[Herman Mcpootis]

7 hours ago, jerubedo said:

The 9400f performs another 8% better than the 8400. That would be 19 FPS better. Certainly worth the extra $18.

It's the exact same architecture with a 100mhz clock speed increase and nothing else. Explain exactly how it's supposed to perform 8% better.

[jerubedo]

3 hours ago, Herman Mcpootis said:

It's the exact same architecture with a 100mhz clock speed increase and nothing else. Explain exactly how it's supposed to perform 8% better.

There has to be something different under the hood that we don't know about. My math was slightly off, by the way, it's closer to 7% instead of 8%, but here's some screen shots demonstrating:

 

Also there's the case of the 9600K beating the 8700K overall. They have the same exact boost clock speed, so again, why? I don't know. And the 8700K even has a bigger cache. 

 

These results are beyond margin of error as well.

 

EDIT: Also these results are from different sources, so it's not like it's just one erroneous dataset.

 

 

[jiyeon]

35 minutes ago, jerubedo said:

<snip>

I would like to know where you got those figures for the last CSGO picture you've included there.

 

Which source are you using that shows an i5-9600K can achieve 280FPS average on de_subzero? What graphics card would that be that would allow the 9600K to outperform an i7-8700? What frequencies were used?

[jerubedo]

13 hours ago, Herman Mcpootis said:

It's the exact same architecture with a 100mhz clock speed increase and nothing else. Explain exactly how it's supposed to perform 8% better.

Instead of just reacting "funny" to my last post, why don't you actually take a second to explain why you think that the data I posted from three different sources is incorrect?

 

To summarize the data:

 

8400: 420 FPS

9400F: 450 FPS

 

8400: 174 FPS

9400F: 187 FPS

 

8700K: 86 FPS

9600K: 99 FPS

 

8700K: 118 FPS

9600K: 124 FPS

 

Again, these are beyond margin of error and from multiple data sources.

 

So what exactly are your thoughts @Herman Mcpootis and @LienusLateTips

 

Also @seoz and @XR6

 

12 hours ago, seoz said:

I would like to know where you got those figures for the last CSGO picture you've included there.

 

Which source are you using that shows an i5-9600K can achieve 280FPS average on de_subzero? What graphics card would that be that would allow the 9600K to outperform an i7-8700? What frequencies were used?

That source is here:

 

Stock frequencies, on a GTX 1080 STRIX

[jiyeon]

2 minutes ago, jerubedo said:

That source is here:

You really gave a source with 3,000 views, 9 likes to 10 dislikes, and from a channel that hides their subscriber count?

[jerubedo]

12 hours ago, valdyrgramr said:

The last chart you gave seems shady as fuck.  Secondly, I'm going over a review between the 9600k and and the 8700k(plus a few others) by Tech Jesus and all I am seeing is the 8700k beating the 9600k.  Also, in the video you linked people are calling it fake. 

One person. But okay, let's eliminate that last one then. The other sources are far more viewed and the comments mostly agree with the results:

 

^ This guy tests basically every hardware combination possible. He's got 100's of videos.

 

 

 

12 hours ago, seoz said:

You really gave a source with 3,000 views, 9 likes to 10 dislikes, and from a channel that hides their subscriber count?

see my other sources then. 30,000 views, 292,000 views. Many likes. That last source was just extra corroboration. Nothing more.

 

Views and likes also don't dismiss data. Data is still data.