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18 minutes ago, Sauron said:

Don't you realize how completely contradictory this sentence is? If the talibans hide among the civilians, and the strikes target the talibans, it is absurd to claim that the strikes don't hit civilians in higher numbers than they hit talibans. On one hand you're saying you can't know who or where the talibans are, then you claim to know with absolute certainty that the civilian casualties are far smaller... that doesn't make sense.

Nobody fucking deserves 9/11, I never said or implied that. What I said is that the US' military and political actions in the middle east are the direct cause of 9/11.

You seriously believe the US military would rather spend expensive multimillion dollars military weapons and resources to kill civilians than actual terrorists? You gotta be kidding me. 

18 minutes ago, Sauron said:

 

Nobody fucking deserves 9/11, I never said or implied that. What I said is that the US' military and political actions in the middle east are the direct cause of 9/11.

Sure, without the US intervention, we would all have perfectly sane dictators and perfectly moderate Muslims in the middle East right now. What you posted is nothing but down right superficial and completely over looking the religious, ideological, and social causes behind so many Muslim terrorists. 

 

18 minutes ago, Sauron said:

 

No, you're the one who takes a dictator's claims of working for his people at face value here. Even Hitler claimed to be a socialist, which was just an obvious fucking lie. Nothing about Geddafi's regime was socialist or communist; there was no democracy, no attempt at equal wealth distribution, no equal rights for minorities. You sound like the only things you know of "the left" come from McCarthy era red scare propaganda.

Semitic. The term you're looking for is antisemitic.

To be fair, I don't think Hitler is a very reliable source... even when it comes to himself. Though in the case of praising someone's ideas he can probably be trusted to mean what he's saying.

I said leftist which encompasses communists but also wide variety groups that are left of the political spectrum. Don't twist what I said. The fact he uses communist rhetorics and enacts socialists programs is enough to place him in the left. He doesn't need to be downright communist to be part of it. 


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5 minutes ago, Delicieuxz said:

 

Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11...

I never said they did. 


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9 minutes ago, Captain Chaos said:

Are you fucking serious right now?  I'm giving you direct cause for the rise of the Taliban and you start to go back 40 years and several jumps all the way to the Saur Revolution whilst claiming that I am the one who's tracing everything almost back to Adam and Eve?  

 

Arab spring didn't destabilize the middle east, it was already completely unstable as a result of decades of western meddling with their affairs and governments.

ISIS grew as a direct result of the 2nd Gulf war, which was started by the US under false pretenses (unless you happen to have proof that Saddam did indeed have weapons of mass destruction?).  They then joined Al-Qaida, who as we discussed earlier are also a direct result of the US not minding their own business.

 

As for bringing in the Nazi discussion: history is always written by those who win the war, and they always make themselves look like the good guys while depicting the losers as the bad guys.  The US' track record over the last 75 years makes it clear that they're at least as bad. 

Middle East has been destabilize ever since the rise of nationalism and the decline of the Ottoman empire. Western powers only speed up the process, the root reasons such as national consciousness and deep religious fundamentalism did not need the help of the west whatsoever. They are chief reasons why the middle East is so mess up. Stop blaming everything g on western colonialism. It is not going to justify why so many post colonial nations have crazy dictators or theocratic government. 


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1 minute ago, wasab said:

Besides the US, soviets union was the only other major power strong enough stop Hitler. You like stalinst communism better? 

No, of course not. I take granted for the freedom I have today thanks to the allied forces who have liberated the majority of European countries. All I said was, that you or anyone else wouldn't know what would've happened if the US didn't assist in the war in Europe, that's all. We can only speculate on the potential other outcomes if certain events didn't happen.

13 minutes ago, Sauron said:

Also, the US only intervened when they were directly attacked by the Japanese... so in that case it technically was their business. It hasn't been ever since.

Yeah, I know. What I actually meant with that is that when the US was never attacked by Imperial Japan. Of course then again you could speculate whether if they would've entered the war in Europe anyway. All we can do is speculate.


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12 minutes ago, wasab said:

You seriously believe the US military would rather spend expensive multimillion dollars military weapons and resources to kill civilians than actual terrorists? You gotta be kidding me.

How do you think the military industrial complex, which US politicians are huge fans of investing in, make their money? It isn't by not using their munitions, but by using them and then having the US government buy more from the tax dollars of the average non-politician US public.

 

So, yes, the US loves to fire off expensive munitions everywhere it can while not actually accomplishing anything. That's the goal of the military industrial complex and is why the US funds terrorists and protects them.

 

The only thing the military industrial complex and its investors love more than firing off expensive munitions without accomplishing anything is firing them off to steal other countries' oil.

 

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Sure, without the US intervention, we would all have perfectly sane dictators and perfectly moderate Muslims in the middle East right.

Maybe. Iran would certainly have been far better off if the US and UK hadn't overthrown its democratically-elected leader in 1953 to install a bloody dictator so that they could steal Iran's oil.

 

Today, the US derides Iran's influence in the Middle East that undermines the US' own - but all the Iran-US hostility was, again, created by the US when the US overthrew Iran's elected government.

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13 minutes ago, wasab said:

the root reasons such as national consciousness and deep religious fundamentalism did not need the help of the west whatsoever.

The west did help though.  And they kept helping by moving people off their land to redraw the map of the region.

 

Sure, the region is always at war.  Then again so are certain regions in Africa.  But nobody cares about those because there's no oil there.

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1 minute ago, wasab said:

Middle East has been destabilize ever since the rise of nationalism and the decline of the Ottoman empire. Western powers only speed up the process, the root reasons such as national consciousness and deep religious fundamentalism did not need the help of the west whatsoever. They are chief reasons why the middle East is so mess up. Stop blaming everything g on western colonialism. It is not going to justify why so many post colonial nations have crazy dictators or theocratic government. 

That is probably true regarding the fall of the Ottoman Empire, but you cannot deny the fact that the British Empire and the French didn't kept their word when sorting out the new countries in the middle-east after WW1. They 'promised' that they would've created a unified Arab state. Instead, they took a few territories for their own and basically called them mandates.


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- The specifications of my almighty machine:

MB: MSI Z370-A Pro || CPU: Intel Core i3 8350K 4.00 GHz || RAM: 8GB DDR4  || GPU: Nvidia GeForce GTX1050 Ti || Storage: 1TB HDD & 250GB HDD  & 128GB x2 SSD || OS: Windows 10 Pro & MacOS High Sierra & Ubuntu 18.04.1 x64

 

- Old piece of tech from late 2006:

MB: ASUS P5LD2-SE || CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 || RAM: 4GB DDR2 || GPU: Nvidia GeForce GT640 2GB || Storage: 128GB SSD & 2x 200GB HDD || OS: Windows 10 Pro x64

 

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- Main laptop specs:

Model: ASUS X302UA || CPU: Intel Core i3 6006U || RAM: 8GB DDR3L || GPU: Integrated Intel HD 520 || Storage: 128GB SSD || OS: Windows 10 Home

 

- Old Macbook specs:

Model: Macbook 6,1 Late 2009 || CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo P7550 || RAM: 5GB DDR3 || GPU: Nvidia GeForce 9400M || Storage: 128GB SSD || OS: MacOS Sierra

 

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8 minutes ago, Delicieuxz said:

How do you think the military industrial complex, which US politicians are huge fans of investing in, make their money? It isn't by not using their munitions, but by using them and then having the US government buy more from the tax dollars of the average non-politician US public.

 

So, yes, the US loves to fire off expensive munitions everywhere it can while not actually accomplishing anything. That's the goal of the military industrial complex and is why the US funds terrorists and protects them.

 

The only thing the military industrial complex and its investors love more than firing off expensive munitions without accomplishing anything is firing them off to steal other countries' oil.

 

Maybe. Iran would certainly have been far better off if the US hadn't overthrown its democratically-elected leader in 1953 to install a bloody dictator so that the US could steal Iran's oil.

Da fck? If war is so profitable, why aren't these politicians pushing for WWIII and nuking the soviets back when the cold war could be still be hot? 

 

If us had not overthrow the iranian government I would bet all my fortune, the government would still fall into the control of radical Islam. These groups are too damn right powerful in the country. 


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11 minutes ago, wasab said:

Da fck? If war is so profitable, why aren't these politicians pushing for WWIII and nuking the soviets back when the cold war could be still be hot?

They ARE pushing for WW3 and pushing for war with Russia, with Iran, with Venezuela, with anyone anywhere they can. They always are.

 

That's the primary driving force behind all the anti-Russia, anti-Iran, anti-Venezuela, anti-Syria, anti-Saddam, etc, news in the US.

 

People get filthy rich off of wars and killing people. That's what drives the US' foreign policy.

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10 minutes ago, wasab said:

If us had overthrow the government I would be all my fortune, the government would still fall into the control of radical Islam. These groups are too damn right powerful in the country. 

Those groups didn't exist until the US and UK overthrew Iran's government and installed a brutal and murderous dictator so that they could steal Iran's oil. The aggression Iran has towards the US is the direct result of the US' coup in Iran. Iran took back their country in 1979, and the US treats it like an attack on the US, when all Iran did was defeat the US' attack on Iran. Ever since then, Iran has been angry and aggressive towards the US, and has had to become more militaristic because the US keeps wanting to overthrow Iran's government again to install a US-puppet that will hand Iran's oil over to US companies.

 

The US is, like in many other situations, the bad guy in the Iran-US relations.

 

So, the US is responsible for WW2, the holocaust, all the main terrorist groups in the Middle East, the proliferation international terrorism, the disasters in the Middle East, Iran's harsh governance and bad relations with the US, and more. That's what the US' war-driven economy does. If not for the US, the world would be a far more peaceful place.

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5 minutes ago, Delicieuxz said:

They ARE pushing for WW3 and pushing for war with Russia, with Iran, with Venezuela, with anyone anywhere they can. They always are.

 

That's the primary driving force behind all the anti-Russia, anti-Iran, anti-Venezuela, anti-Syria, anti-Saddam, etc news in the US.

 

People get filthy rich off of wars and killing people. That's what drives the US' foreign policy.

OMG!!! 

You do know US foreign policy has been isolationism until it realizes that is only gonna make the world burn right? USA is a super power. It has a morale reason to intervene on the world stage. We do not call modern day lack of international wars pax Americana without a good reason. 


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2 minutes ago, wasab said:

You do know US foreign policy has been isolationism until it realizes that is only gonna make the world burn right? USA is a super power. It has a morale reason to intervene on the world stage. We do not call modern day lack of international wars pax Americana without a good reason. 

I'm not sure that any of the US' interventions in other countries have been moral. They were all driven by greed and desire for power and control, and sold using lies.

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5 minutes ago, Delicieuxz said:

Those groups didn't exist until the US and UK overthrew Iran's government and installed a brutal and murderous dictator so that they could steal Iran's oil. The aggression Iran has towards the US is the direct result of the US' coup in Iran. Iran took back their country in 1979, and the US treats it like an attack on the US, when all Iran did was defeat the US' attack on Iran. Ever since then, Iran has been angry and aggressive towards the US, and has had to become more militaristic because the US keeps wanting to overthrow Iran's government again to install a US-puppet that will hand Iran's oil over to US companies.

 

The US is, like in many other situations, the bad guy in the Iran-US relations.

 

So, the US is responsible for WW2, the holocaust, all the main terrorist groups in the Middle East, the proliferation international terrorism, the disasters in the Middle East, Iran's harsh governance and bad relations with the US, and more. That's what the US' war-driven economy does. If not for the US, the world would be a far more peaceful place.

Steal what oil? The Iranian monarchy  benefitted Iran handsomely. Within a decade, Iran was the wealthiest nation in the region. Only after sialmic revolution did we see sanctions that crippled the Iranian economy. 


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2 minutes ago, Delicieuxz said:

No US intervention in another country has been moral. They were all driven by greed and desire for power and control.

Bullshit on that. No USA = fascist or communist Europe for thousand years to come. 


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