House passes bill to save Net Neutrality, idiots on Reddit celebrate too early- McConnell to block it from Senate floor as he said before vote

[Syntaxvgm]

You may have noticed a ton of posts about this on reddit already

The "Save the Internet" Bill passed the house 232 to 190, with one Republican voting in favor, so bipartisan support is technically not a lie, just a strong mischaracterization of the truth written by someone completely bankrupt of journalistic integrity. But not a lie, technically.

We did it Reddit!

The stupidity of this premature celebration is compounded by the fact that Turtle-American Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell already announced it won't even make it to the Senate floor yesterday before the vote had even happened in the house. 

 

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“Dead on arrival in the Senate,” McConnell told reporters about the fate of the House bill, which is expected to get a vote in that chamber this week.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/438133-mcconnell-net-neutrality-bill-dead-on-arrival-in-senate




So here we are, claiming victory in an effort that was just symbolic, passing legislation that won't even be brought up for debate or a vote. 

https://www.theverge.com/2019/4/10/18304522/net-neutrality-save-the-internet-act-house-of-representatives-approval

[mr moose]

What have I missed here?  how can a single politician prevent a bill from being heard/voted on in the senate if it has passed the reps?

[ThePD]

3 minutes ago, mr moose said:

What have I missed here?  how can a single politician prevent a bill from being heard/voted on in the senate if it has passed the reps?

I don't remember the exact reasoning on how it is done but I know Senate Majority leaders can do what he is doing. He can also call votes when critical people are absent from the senate. It's some weird washington politics powerplay stuff.

I believe he did something similar to the 'Green New Deal' because a significant amount of people who may have supported it were absent. So he called an immediate vote on it.

[Syntaxvgm]

6 minutes ago, mr moose said:

What have I missed here?  how can a single politician prevent a bill from being heard/voted on in the senate if it has passed the reps?

Senate Majority Leader. He makes the schedule for the senate, he steers the party vote, whips keep party in line, defecting can lead to punishment like loss of roles in committees. The majority leader of either party is who you want to pay off if you need something done or blocked. 

 

[mr moose]

On 4/11/2019 at 6:29 AM, ThePD said:

I don't remember the exact reasoning on how it is done but I know Senate Majority leaders can do what he is doing. He can also call votes when critical people are absent from the senate. It's some weird washington politics powerplay stuff.

I believe he did something similar to the 'Green New Deal' because a significant amount of people who may have supported it were absent. So he called an immediate vote on it.

Sounds like dictatorship stuff to me,  In Australia if you aren't there to vote you don't get a vote and no single person can reject a bill, once it has been tabled it must be heard and voted on.

[ThePD]

Just now, mr moose said:

Sounds like dictatorship stuff to me,  In Australia if you aren't there to vote you don't get a vote and no single person can reject a bill, once it has been table it must be hear and voted on.

I think the other issue was because it had already been voted on and defeated previously, it is much easier to reject once again. And even if the senate had voted on it. It likely would of been veto'ed by the President. It is extremely party line following stuff.

[mr moose]

Just now, ThePD said:

 And even if the senate had voted on it. It likely would of been veto'ed by the President.

That's no reason to have the power to be able to prevent something from even being debated/voted. 

 

I get party politics, it's actually essential in many systems, but when party politics actually dictate what bills get heard in the first place, that's not representation of the people.

[Syntaxvgm]

21 hours ago, mr moose said:

Sounds like dictatorship stuff to me,  In Australia if you aren't there to vote you don't get a vote and no single person can reject a bill, once it has been table it must be hear and voted on.

We're a constitutional republic with democratically elected* representatives** who vote*** on all important legislation**** needed to run the country*****. 

 

*Subject to influence by corporate money, gerrymandering, and closed source voting machines with lawsuits for anyone who talks about their flaws

 

**Who they represent can change from time to time. 

***Or act by preventing voting

****Except the 9/11 victims healthcare fund

*****Or not if they feel like shutting the government down to make a point or a wall or something. 

[ThePD]

2 minutes ago, mr moose said:

That's no reason to have the power to be able to prevent something from even being debated/voted. 

 

I get party politics, it's actually essential in many systems, but when party politics actually dictate what bills get heard in the first place, that's not representation of the people.

Exactly. This is why senate has a 13% approval rating from US Citizens. Many people hate the partisan politics that has gone on in Washington for many decades now. The last few decades it's always been Dems vs Repubs, instead of bipartisan that actually benefits people. And the only time I believe everyone agreed on something was when we invaded the middle east after the 9/11 attacks.

[Syntaxvgm]

4 minutes ago, mr moose said:

That's no reason to have the power to be able to prevent something from even being debated/voted. 

 

I get party politics, it's actually essential in many systems, but when party politics actually dictate what bills get heard in the first place, that's not representation of the people.

In theory you can prevent time wasting stuff like republicans in the house repealing obamacare every week as a statement under Obama and stuff like SOPA which came through over and over after it failed, but bills are just rebranded before being shoved through again and again until they pass when people aren't paying attention and fighting/complaining.

[mr moose]

So I just spent a minute digesting those posts,  being able to dictate what bills/laws even have a chance to be heard is a dictatorship.  That is the best fit descriptor for this.

 

TIL...   WTF?

[Nowak]

So how much money did McConnell take from ISPs before deciding this?

[Thaldor]

2 minutes ago, Nowak said:

So how much money did McConnell take from ISPs before deciding this?

None, he just had few meetings in restaurants with his re-election campaing supporters. What you are saying would be corruption, learn the difference. (/s)

[FezBoy]

r/wellThatSucks

[Taf the Ghost]

One does not simply mess with The Turtle.

 

More hilariously, Reddit just found out what happens with a divided government, which is generally very little. I'm glad they've learned a basic civics lesson.

[PlayStation 2]

2 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

One does not simply mess with The Turtle.

 

More hilariously, Reddit just found out what happens with a divided government, which is generally very little. I'm glad they've learned a basic civics lesson.

"Buh-buh we were sure we'd defeat Trump with a Democratic ran House!"

[Taf the Ghost]

1 minute ago, handymanshandle said:

"Buh-buh we were sure we'd defeat Trump with a Democratic ran House!"

After the temper tantrum that was the early parts of 2017, I sadly have to accept a lot of them believe that.

[PlayStation 2]

1 minute ago, Taf the Ghost said:

After the temper tantrum that was the early parts of 2017, I sadly have to accept a lot of them believe that.

I'd bet there's a lot of people that do believe that.

What I'm seeing, at least with my eyes, is that we can't get shit done because the House is focused on taking down Trump and the Senate is focused on trying to let Trump do his thing. No one seems to want to agree with each other and it's just gonna lead to a major halt in any sort of productivity, as if it already hasn't.

[DrMacintosh]

47 minutes ago, mr moose said:

What have I missed here?  how can a single politician prevent a bill from being heard/voted on in the senate if it has passed the reps?

McConnell is the Senate majority leader. He manages the Senate and can control what bills come to the floor. 

https://constitution.laws.com/senate/majority-leader

[DrMacintosh]

11 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

One does not simply mess with The Turtle.

McCain did  

[Taf the Ghost]

5 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

McCain did  

And McCain dead. We don't think those are related, but we're not sure.

[Nowak]

1 minute ago, Taf the Ghost said:

And McCain dead. We don't think those are related, but we're not sure.

He had cancer, Taf.

[mr moose]

1 minute ago, Nowak said:

He had cancer, Taf.

Cover story bruh...   

[Taf the Ghost]

11 minutes ago, handymanshandle said:

I'd bet there's a lot of people that do believe that.

What I'm seeing, at least with my eyes, is that we can't get shit done because the House is focused on taking down Trump and the Senate is focused on trying to let Trump do his thing. No one seems to want to agree with each other and it's just gonna lead to a major halt in any sort of productivity, as if it already hasn't.

There's no common ground because there isn't any common ground. The Dems are under the complete control of Wall Street-Silicon Valley axis, which is what is causing a lot of the civil war among Dem factions. The GOP has its own massive factional war going on as well. After both of those get settled, then the real domestic political warfare gets started. 

 

Civil War 2.0 isn't completely locked in, but we're rapidly approaching the point.

[Taf the Ghost]

4 minutes ago, Nowak said:

He had cancer, Taf.

Lived an amazingly long time with something that should have killed him a lot sooner. Or they went Weekend at Bernie's with him for a good number of months.