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Software Engineers Don't Know Hardware and Vice Versa

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20 hours ago, BuckGup said:

knowing both software and hardware is almost mandatory with how beneficial it can be. 

It is a bit more complicating.

We for instance have to learn CPU architecture to know how to optimize programs better. We don't learn anything CUDA or CPU OC related. And why would we? How is knowing how to OC a CPU to 5GHz help them? Mind you they are not SW and HW engineers, they specialize in one thing. And many of them (especially professors) legit have no time to follow all new tech that is coming out. And of them of course are not interested. You can basically write most of software for instance without knowing what a register is. 

You know those stuff? Good for you, you might at some point have an advantage due to that, but don't mix our little niche here with something that engineers need to know. Some things are mandatory, some are not. 


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21 hours ago, BuckGup said:

But when you are programming wouldn't it be better to really understand what's happening.

unless youre doing optimizations it doesnt matter that much, thats what compiler is doing for you


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4 hours ago, Brennan_Price said:

That's electronics though, which is something probably even less people know about haha ? I ain't even gonna try to bring up that argument as to why people need to know that as well lmao. 

I studied as a computer engineer and it was something I had to learn. If someone wants to argue that software developers should learn about hardware, well, I'd argue they have to learn the same things I had to take at school.

 

But otherwise, that's my point. If it's not important to software development, why should it matter? What hardware you choose tends to be an implementation detail over a design one.

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I feel like the professors/students at least have a good grasp of what hardware/software is, and not say that your cpu has 4 cores.. when most modern CPU's have 6 - 8.



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In our school the electronic technicians and IT technicians work closely together and aren't this oblivious to the "other side". Surely we know more about electronics than them and they know more about software than we do, but we aren't completely out of the loop.


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On 4/10/2019 at 5:24 PM, BuckGup said:

But when you are programming wouldn't it be better to really understand what's happening. Or programming for an ASIC/ARM you have to know what's going 

On 4/10/2019 at 5:24 PM, BuckGup said:

But when you are programming wouldn't it be better to really understand what's happening. Or programming for an ASIC/ARM you have to know what's going on

 

It doesn't matter because you can't change the way it works, for FPGA it's completely other deal, you can make almost anything with it, the only limit is the FPGA chip you're using.

https://numato.com/blog/differences-between-fpga-and-asics/

 

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On 4/11/2019 at 1:02 AM, ThePD said:

I worked with a very good programmer who new very little about the hardware the servers/clients ran on. He made sure his programs were as resource efficient as possible, could name all the components in a computer but had no interest in understanding the deeper workings of the hardware itself. It happens I guess.

This is my experience too (as anecdotal as that may be).  I am a hardware guy, I studied electronics, Electrical engineering and Digital design (CPU development, I guess nowadays they teach you raspberry pi or Arduino instead?).  I absolutely admit to being at a lost end when it comes to software (not that I am completely ignorant, but lost enough not to be able to code or write a website anymore). 


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I find this is across a lot of industries that have multiple layers, especially between digital and physical.

 

Working in both design and print production, I've seen designers make stuff that's not possible to do, or design stuff incorrectly without taking into account how the process of production works.

 

A lot of them have their noses in the air too, when a "tech" tells them it won't work and blames it on them for not being able to do it.

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On 4/10/2019 at 4:13 PM, BuckGup said:

So I have been at two colleges so far after transferring and I'm a computer science major. I still don't understand how little a computer/electrical engineer knows about software and how little a software engineer knows about hardware. Even the professors are super cringey when talking about hardware or software. Like just today they were like your CUDA GPUs have hundreds of cores and run at 700Mhz. Or most CPUs are 2.5ghz and 4 core and you need liquid nitrogen to hit 5ghz on any CPU. I understand it's like saying why doesn't a psychologist know astronomy except knowing both software and hardware is almost mandatory with how beneficial it can be. 

You don't need to know exactly how many CUDA cores the latest RTX card has to understand the benefits of GPU computing and how to take advantage of them. I don't know why any CS professor would mention liquid nitrogen or overclocking, it's completely irrelevant in CS. The details don't matter in things like these and in 2 years whatever they told you about current hardware would be outdated anyway. It can be useful to know consumer hardware but that's something the students should learn and keep up with by themselves.

 

I'm 5 years deep into software engineering and only a couple of times has the hardware I was running mattered at all, and even then it was for very basic reasons that even the most hardware incompetent student could have figured out - e.g. I didn't have enough memory to compute a dataset.

 

Also - a basic understanding of electronics and electrical engineering can be useful to a CS/software engineering student but it's not essential to know all the details. Coming from someone who had to take multiple hardcore courses in those fields, you'll never need to know how a MOSFET works on a physical level to program a computer or even to design basic electronics. All of that stuff is conveniently abstracted by the parts' spec sheet and, more often than not, by premade digital components.


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4 hours ago, Sauron said:

You don't need to know exactly how many CUDA cores the latest RTX card has to understand the benefits of GPU computing and how to take advantage of them. I don't know why any CS professor would mention liquid nitrogen or overclocking, it's completely irrelevant in CS. The details don't matter in things like these and in 2 years whatever they told you about current hardware would be outdated anyway. It can be useful to know consumer hardware but that's something the students should learn and keep up with by themselves.

 

I'm 5 years deep into software engineering and only a couple of times has the hardware I was running mattered at all, and even then it was for very basic reasons that even the most hardware incompetent student could have figured out - e.g. I didn't have enough memory to compute a dataset.

 

Also - a basic understanding of electronics and electrical engineering can be useful to a CS/software engineering student but it's not essential to know all the details. Coming from someone who had to take multiple hardcore courses in those fields, you'll never need to know how a MOSFET works on a physical level to program a computer or even to design basic electronics. All of that stuff is conveniently abstracted by the parts' spec sheet and, more often than not, by premade digital components.

Yeah I agree that it doesn't have to be super granular on all levels. But a general understanding at least how the thing you are programming works. Especially relating to how a CPU works with threads and how it handles tasks.


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2 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

Especially relating to how a CPU works with threads and how it handles tasks.

The OS takes care of that, when writing parallel software you never have to concern yourself with how many cores your cpu has.


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1 hour ago, Sauron said:

The OS takes care of that, when writing parallel software you never have to concern yourself with how many cores your cpu has.

So then is almost all software parallel now days then? If so why does scaling across many cores like 32 not work for games and programs like premiere?


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I always find it funny that people on this forum seems to think that you are knowledgeable about hardware if you have memorized things you can read on the back of packaging for consumer electronics.

Like "yeah I know hardware, because I have memorized the frequency and model number of a bunch of AMD processors".

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13 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

So then is almost all software parallel now days then?

To a degree yes. You can have programs that run two or more threads in parallel, i.e., at the same time. Or you can have concurrency, where the threads have a slice of time to run on the CPU and the slice is short enough that multiple tasks appear to be happening at the same time.

 

As an example, a GUI app has to run with concurrency. If the app ran on a single thread and it had to process something heavy, it would no longer process any GUI related tasks. Because of this, the GUI (and thus the app) appears frozen. So the GUI is often on another thread so that the processor can switch to running the GUI every so often.

 

13 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

If so why does scaling across many cores like 32 not work for games and programs like premiere?

Because of Amdahl's Law. Scaling doesn't happen just because you have independent tasks. Those tasks will likely have roadblocks and such due to I/O access (anything that's not in a CPU core may as well be an I/O access as far as execution is concerned) or other things like branching.

 

Also for things like games, games are generally serial programs in that major categories of tasks have to be done in order. They may have smaller tasks within them that can be broken up and distributed throughout, but, for example, graphics rendering is always going to be the last thing to be done because the image is supposed to represent the current state of the game world. And even graphics rendering, which is often used as an example of a highly parallel application, is actually a serial algorithm. You cannot do certain steps before others in the graphics pipeline. But what makes it highly parallel is that its doing the same thing across millions of pixels.

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I am studying computer architeture and as part of that, I am studying MIPS cpu microarchitecture. I think I am already learning way too much.... I seriously hate circuits. 


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You come off as quite childish in your comments, I’m sure your lecturers have a sufficient understanding of the relevant functional aspects of PC hardware, even if they don’t keep up to date on what the latest CPU generation is. Perhaps once you gain some more experience you’ll understand what is and isn’t relevant outside of the tech hobbyist sphere.

 

I’m a software engineer myself, knowing how many Ghz you can get a cpu to without liquid hydrogen cooling isn’t exactly going to be helping anybody write more efficient algorithms. 

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1 hour ago, Gadrane said:

You come off as quite childish in your comments, I’m sure your lecturers have a sufficient understanding of the relevant functional aspects of PC hardware, even if they don’t keep up to date on what the latest CPU generation is. Perhaps once you gain some more experience you’ll understand what is and isn’t relevant outside of the tech hobbyist sphere.

 

I’m a software engineer myself, knowing how many Ghz you can get a cpu to without liquid hydrogen cooling isn’t exactly going to be helping anybody write more efficient algorithms. 

LOL not what I was saying but aight


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I'm a systems engineer. my scope includes but is not limited to:

- Hypervisor platforms (Predominantly VMware, but also Hyper-V & Azure)

- Physical Server support (HP, IBM, Dell & Cisco UCS)

- Windows Server (NT4.0 > Server 2016) 

- Linux Server (Predominantly RHEL, Fedora, Ubuntu)

- Windows Domain & Deployment (DNS/DHCP/DFS/GPO/SCCM/WSUS etc...)

- Citrix Environment (App Deployment, VDI/Hosted Desktop, general infrastructure)

- Exchange Server Management (Server 2007 > Server 2016 & Office365 Hybrid deployments)

- Proxy Management (IronPort, WebMarshal & Cloud services)

- Backup Management (Veeam, Netbackup, ARCserve, etc...)

 

I also do Cisco Networking (routers & switches), Firewalls (Checkpoint,Sophos,Fortinet), Storage (IBM & NetApp SAN, Synology & QNAP NAS)

 

 

The fact is, looking after hyper-converged infrastructure and TaaS, IaaS, DaaS etc..environments is entirely cumbersome enough as it is, let alone becoming decent at software development. I do use powershell & bash scripting in my work, and in my private life I do php, pawn and some c# scripting - but honestly when you get into the real nit and grit of either Software Development vs Platforms, you can only retain so much and be proficient at so much. 

 

Theres a whole lot out there past LTT videos on how to overclock your CPU to 5Ghz...


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Desktop: Ryzen 7 2700x | Aorus X470 Gaming Ultra | EVGA RTX2080 Super | 32GB (4x8GB) Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 3200Mhz | Corsair H105 AIO, NZXT Sentry 3 | Corsair SP120's | 1TB Crucial P1 NVMe, 4TB WD Black | Phanteks Enthoo Pro | Corsair RM650v2 PSU | LG 32" 32GK850G Monitor | Ducky Shine 3 Keyboard, Logitech G502, MicroLab Solo 7C Speakers, Razer Goliathus Extended, X360 Controller | Windows 10 Pro | SteelSeries Siberia 350 Headphones

 

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Server 1: Fractal Design Define R6 | Ryzen 3950x | ASRock X570 Taichi | EVGA GTX1070 FTW | 64GB (4x16GB) Corsair Vengeance LPX 3000Mhz | Corsair RM650v2 PSU | Fractal S36 Triple AIO | 10 x 8TB HGST Ultrastar He10 (WD Whitelabel) | 500GB Aorus Gen4 NVMe | 2 x 1TB Crucial P1 NVMe | LSI 9211-8i HBA

 

Server 2: Corsair 400R | IcyDock MB998SP & MB455SPF | Seasonic Focus Plus 650w PSU | 2 x Xeon X5650's | 48GB DDR3-ECC | Asus Z8NA-D6C Motherboard | AOC-SAS2LP-MV8 | LSI MegaRAID 9271-8i | RES2SV240 SAS Expander | Samsung 840Evo 120GB | 5 x 8TB Seagate Archives | 10 x 3TB WD Red

 

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13 hours ago, BuckGup said:

LOL not what I was saying but aight

You might want to make your point clearer then as that’s how it comes across 

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29 minutes ago, Gadrane said:

You might want to make your point clearer then as that’s how it comes across 

I did throughout the thread


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29 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

I did throughout the thread

Well yeah you started stating random things which any software engineer would know. I’d agree with you that these are things that should be known but the tone of outrage this thread gives out is a bit strange as I’d be surprised if any of your lecturers didn’t know this stuff 

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2 minutes ago, Gadrane said:

Well yeah you started stating random things which any software engineer would know. I’d agree with you that these are things that should be known but the tone of outrage this thread gives out is a bit strange as I’d be surprised if any of your lecturers didn’t know this stuff 

I was just more concerned someone is teaching false information because they didn't really know about hardware as they were a software engineer


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Just now, BuckGup said:

I was just more concerned someone is teaching false information because they didn't really know about hardware as they were a software engineer

That’s a fair point, perhaps what he was saying is just out of date I suppose. Certainly in the core 2 quad days you’d struggle to hit 5ghz with conventional cooling methods. 

 

Its a fair lesson to learn that lecturers aren’t infallible, you always need to be critical as they’re only human. 

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7 minutes ago, Gadrane said:

That’s a fair point, perhaps what he was saying is just out of date I suppose. Certainly in the core 2 quad days you’d struggle to hit 5ghz with conventional cooling methods. 

 

Its a fair lesson to learn that lecturers aren’t infallible, you always need to be critical as they’re only human. 

Yeah I agree but they were also presenting to the board to be hired as a professor. 


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1 hour ago, BuckGup said:

I was just more concerned someone is teaching false information because they didn't really know about hardware as they were a software engineer

If a student takes everything their teacher says without trying to apply said things to see for themselves that what their teacher said more or less true, or at the very least look into them, then I'd argue the student is doing a poor job of learning.

 

Also depending on the degree of "wrongness" or whatever, I say... does it really matter? I mean, we'd like to think teachers are infallible, but they're human with a certain capacity of caring and retaining information, just like the rest of us. Computer scientists may not care about the latest and greatest hardware because that's not really in the purview of the discipline. They might care if their theory gets realized into hardware, but that's about it. That is, if someone came up with some new speculative execution method, they may only care that it gets implemented on some processor. They likely won't care which one it gets implemented on.

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