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Borderlands 3 will be exclusively on the Epic store for the first 6 months

For everyone asking ng why the epic launcher is so bad. Here's a list of missing features as compared to steam.

 

 

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Here's a link that discusses EGS privacy concerns: https://www.reddit.com/r/PhoenixPoint/comments/b0rxdq/epic_game_store_spyware_tracking_and_you/

 

 

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1 hour ago, I-r0k said:

think that I’m not going to buy the game anyway, mostly because I don’t have $60.

60$ for what ? maximum 30 hours of gameplay like all the other ones, no thanks. Will wait for expansion and steam sales.

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6 minutes ago, Esus said:

Yeah lmao... Steam DL's are only like 17-18 MB/s while these other launchers are way faster at 20-25 MB/s.
Maybe it's just a placebo. Some of the games are also playable after a certain percentage, I don't think Steam has that unless there's a launcher within the Steam game. 

Steam always saturates my internet connection. I haven't encountered a lot of other programs that do that, game client or otherwise.


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2 minutes ago, Dash Lambda said:

Steam always saturates my internet connection. I haven't encountered a lot of other programs that do that, game client or otherwise.

The location of the distribution node and the network path to the client device (I.e. you) are likely the determining factors, not the launcher/platform.


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10 hours ago, jagdtigger said:

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1 i dont have any epic games, i dont think i have the launcher

2 it is competition just not the competition that you want


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11 hours ago, jaggysnake57 said:

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I mean... Epic does care. They care so much that they're spending tens of millions of dollars on exclusivity agreements to capture the purchasing power of as many Steam users as possible.


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39 minutes ago, Esus said:

However, I feel like these other launchers download games better than Steam does.

I generally don't use other launchers (although I have accounts for Origin, Uplay and the Epic Games Launcher) but Steam tends to use my internet connection to the fullest. That being said I'm also pretty close to one of their better datacenters (the Atlanta one) so that'd make sense.

One downloader that really fucking sucks for me is the Microsoft Store. It downloads like absolute shit and rarely bothers to use my download speeds well.


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5 minutes ago, Suika said:

I mean... Epic does care. They care so much that they're spending tens of millions of dollars on exclusivity agreements to capture the purchasing power of as many Steam users as possible.

they dont care that the fanboys are not buying there games......because everyone else is

 


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Welp, seems I will wait six months then.  May just wait out for the GOTY verison anyway.

 

Not totally surprise this happened though.  The game runs on the Unreal Engine, and 2K and Gearbox have worked with Epic on some of their games in the past.


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23 minutes ago, RejZoR said:

People who buy these exclusive games are the ones who will turn PC gaming industry into a hot garbage. Just don't get mad when we'll call you out and say "we told you so" when it happens.

Right? Imagine if it nVidia or AMD did this and paid devs to release games that only worked with their hardware for x amount of time before releasing compatibility patches for the competitor's hardware.

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2 hours ago, RejZoR said:

Epic client/launcher is shit.

is it really that bad though?

2 hours ago, RejZoR said:

Exclusives are shit.

why?

2 hours ago, RejZoR said:

It was bad enough when consoles had exclusives, we don't need this shit within PC ecosystem as well.

Console exclusives are bad since you have to buy proprietary hardware to play the game. There is no difference when you buy a game from one online store or another.

2 hours ago, PacketMan said:

If all your games are on Steam I can understand that they FREELY decide to launch it on Epic Store

The devs freely decided to put it on the epic store exclusively too.

2 hours ago, PacketMan said:

As well as a Youtuber that creates certain content, like unboxing and reviews, and suddenly are paid to make a good review about a product

Is Epic lying about something?

1 hour ago, Dash Lambda said:

I prefer to have a single launcher for my games

You can add non-steam games to your game list on steam. https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=2219-YDJV-5557

 

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Gamers also freely decide not to buy this crap. We don't need stupid fragmentation of market within a single segment. Consoles are a thing of their own because it's all proprietary. PC's are not.

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1 hour ago, poochyena said:

The devs freely decided to put it on the epic store exclusively too.

Why would they make a fucking exclusive game for a platform that isn't welcomed among gamers for free? Obviously they are getting money from Epic, and that's unethical

1 hour ago, poochyena said:

Is Epic lying about something?

Is the reviewer lying? Maybe not, but that doesn't mean that it's ethical, I find it a betrayal, I've played all three Borderlands games and was looking forward to buy this one. I'm not interesting in getting a new account for a game since I already have more than 250 games on Steam, I would buy it from GOG but it's not on it neither.

When you sell your fans for money, then you are a piece of trash and if I can't buy this game on Steam or GOG the day it goes for sale on Epic Store, I'm not buying it. No one would make their fans wait 6 months without getting something in return.

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5 minutes ago, PacketMan said:

Why would they make a fucking exclusive game for a platform that isn't welcomed among gamers for free?

They are freely making the decision, as in free will, as in, not forced.

6 minutes ago, PacketMan said:

they are getting money from Epic, and that's unethical 

Why is that unethical?

6 minutes ago, PacketMan said:

Maybe not, but that doesn't mean that it's ethical

Why is that unethical?

7 minutes ago, PacketMan said:

I'm not interesting in getting a new account for a game since I already have more than 250 games on Steam

Then don't. Exclusively buying all your games from a single store is really weird though. My games have come from many sources (steam, kickstarter, humblebundle, retail, countless MMOs)

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6 minutes ago, poochyena said:

They are freely making the decision, as in free will, as in, not forced.

Why is that unethical?

Why is that unethical?

Then don't. Exclusively buying all your games from a single store is really weird though. My games have come from many sources (steam, kickstarter, humblebundle, retail, countless MMOs)

This last point is very important.

 

People buying everything off of one store is also bad for the games industry.

 

Yes, ideally, we'd be a proper steam competitor through free and open market forces alone. But that didn't happen. I'd rather Epic store exist then not exist. People will decide with their wallets whether Epic will succeed now.


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4 hours ago, I-r0k said:

This seems to be just Epic trying to gain a better foothold to compete with Steam.

Well yes, that's exactly what this is :P they aren't trying to hide it.

4 hours ago, I-r0k said:

I think that I’m not going to buy the game anyway, mostly because I don’t have $60. I do see how this could upset some people thought. What are your thoughts? Is it a good idea to have exclusive 6 month contacts like this?

I think the main issue is DRM of all kinds, and exclusivity deals are only a symptom of the disease. If we accept DRM as a fact of the market, however, I think a strong competitor to Steam is a good thing in the long run - even if they have to make temporary exclusivity deals to get there. The lower margins and even just the competition will probably end up lowering release prices, too, which is good news if you can't afford to blow 60$ on every new game you may want to play.


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12 minutes ago, poochyena said:

Console exclusives are bad since you have to buy proprietary hardware to play the game. There is no difference when you buy a game from one online store or another.

That's actually not true. The launcher usually handles things like DRM, online functionality, and sometimes even controller support. Even the game software itself can vary. For example...

  • GOG offers DRM-free versions of games, which to my knowledge you don't even need the GOG launcher to run. Pretty much everyone else has DRM tied to the launcher.
  • Steam has a controller API that lets you use pretty much any controller with any game (with even more configurability than you could get with a mouse and keyboard). It works great with most Steam games, but a lot of the time you have to jump through a number of hoops to get non-steam games to play nice.
  • Steam has an offline mode that lets you play games without checking in with the Steam servers. That's not a very rare feature, but it's not something you can take for granted.
  • The GOG version of Crysis actually has a couple fixes to issues that apparently make the Steam version unplayable (I'll never claim that Steam is perfect).
  • Steam has a very friendly system for user-generated content and mods, which can only be relied on for Steam games.

It's a lot like the tradeoffs between hardware platforms, just without the cost of the hardware.

 

36 minutes ago, poochyena said:

You can add non-steam games to your game list on steam. https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=2219-YDJV-5557

Yes you can, but there are important features that just won't work, some other ones that you'll have to fight with to get them to work, and you'll still have to deal with the Epic Games launcher.


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28 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

Now what if it sells better on steam 6 months after launch on the Epic games store?

The developer will be quite happy - they got money from Epic AND more sales than they anticipated. It may convince more developers to sign the same kind of deal actually.


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For everyone asking ng why the epic launcher is so bad. Here's a list of missing features as compared to steam.

 

 

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Here's a link that discusses EGS privacy concerns: https://www.reddit.com/r/PhoenixPoint/comments/b0rxdq/epic_game_store_spyware_tracking_and_you/

 

 

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1 hour ago, poochyena said:

Exclusively buying all your games from a single store is really weird though.

Weird? I have games on GoG, I have bought a lot from humble bundle and I play Overwatch on Battle.net, and I'm not going to create an account in a platform I don't like to play it earlier, and I don't like the idea to just get fucked by the devs because A. I have to create an account on Epic Store and I won't have the game on the same platform than the others, or B. I have to wait 6 months for the sake of it, with no real reason

I'm not saying that buying from Epic Store is a scam, I'm not saying that launching a game only on Epic Store is a scam, I understand that the devs will benefit more from Epic Store but the fact that it's exclusive for a short period of time is fishy, why would they shoot themselves in the foot by doing that? If they are going Epic Store because of the benefits, why launching it later on Steam? That's because they know that there are thousands of fans that have all their games on Steam

TL;DR: if they want to release their game on Epic Store, it's fine, if they don't want to release their game on Steam, it's fine but weird, but if they won't release the game on Steam after 6 months because Epic bought it, that's unfair for their fans and anti-competitive practices and that's why I'm against it

1 hour ago, poochyena said:

Why is that unethical?

Because it's an anti-competitive practice from epic games and they are just basically messing around with their fans by making them wait even more or creating an alternative account that won't benefit them

 

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@Terryv I would like to point out an inaccuracy in your chart.

 

Steam does indeed have paid exclusives:

HL2 (and said Episodes)

 

Sure, it's not a new game. But the only reason they don't have newer paid exclusives is because they haven't released a paid game since then. Oh - I guess there's also Portal and Portal 2 too, and the paid version of CS:GO and L4D.


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2 hours ago, Dash Lambda said:

Huh? Like, faster? I have the opposite experience...

Yeah, I always get my downloads on Steam at the full 260Mbps bandwidth of my Internet-connection.


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Just now, dalekphalm said:

@Terryv I would like to point out an inaccuracy in your chart.

 

Steam does indeed have paid exclusives:

HL2 (and said Episodes)

So, you're telling me that valve paid themselves to have exclusive rights to sell HL?


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