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Naveronasis

Nav's Complete CRT Guide.

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13 minutes ago, Naveronasis said:

I actually intend to pick up one of these 16:9 CRT tv's to add to my collection but from what I understand... They are capable of 1080i or 720i with a max progressive resolution of half of 1080 (aka 540p). Why idk, is it true? idk. I assume I'll find out. The delay isn't significant and does not from what I understand add any ghosting, but it's not the 0 latency experience of a truly VGA direct input display. I do know that fighting games clubs and enthusiasts say to avoid them. But then again, I'm not a fighting games enthusiast. 

I've never even heard of 720i. Some older HD CRT TV's doesn't support 720p but many does.

 

I'd love to get a Sony KD-34XBR960 (or KV-HR36M31) which is the best 16:9 HD CRT TV ever made but they were never available in Europe. The best European 16:9 Trinitron is a KV-36HQ100 which has the same Super Fine Pitch tube as the XBR960 and HR36 but it doesn't have any HD inputs.

Tbh I don't really even need a better TV than the KV-32FX68E which I already have. It has a Hi-Scan tube which was also used in some HD TV's.


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Speaking about CRT. I have Sony KV-36HQ100 TV (max: 1024x576i 100 Hz) connected to my computer by special VGA-SCART cable. This model can only use interlaced 50hz signal and it is doubling it, to display flicker free and really superior image.

 

Windows 8 accepted any interlaced resolution made by me in CRU (Custom Resolution Utility) when using Radeon card.

 

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Now I have Windows 10 and Nvidia GTX 970 and this method is not working. Where is a problem ? In Windows 10 or in Nvidia ? From my observations (uninstalled Nvidia driver) both lacks compatibilty to low interlaced resolutions ?! Windows 10 is not showing them at all and creating such res in Nvidia panel is accepted, but not displayed after "test".

 

Anyway I just ordered old Radeon card and will try more luck with her.

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edit: it was double post of my original message. Now I write my findings here.

 

So I bought old Radeon HD 3470 and this low res interlaced resolution is working in  Windows 10 without any problem. It means, it is Nvidia drivers fault. Full of crapware like telemetry etc. (must be edited by hand). Without any real control over video card power states (not official nvidiainspector is a master here) and no control over low resolutions. I wish one day You completely loose vs AMD. And no, Your customer is not a moron.

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On 5/21/2019 at 12:01 AM, Kris3456 said:

Speaking about CRT. I have Sony KV-36HQ100 TV (max: 1024x576i 100 Hz) connected to my computer by special VGA-SCART cable. This model can only use interlaced 50hz signal and it is doubling it, to display flicker free and really superior image.

 

Windows 8 accepted any interlaced resolution made by me in CRU (Custom Resolution Utility) when using Radeon card.

 

CRU.jpg.57050042cdd648f2337f63d1c92c8310.jpg

 

Now I have Windows 10 and Nvidia GTX 970 and this method is not working. Where is a problem ? In Windows 10 or in Nvidia ? From my observations (uninstalled Nvidia driver) both lacks compatibilty to low interlaced resolutions ?! Windows 10 is not showing them at all and creating such res in Nvidia panel is accepted, but not displayed after "test".

 

Anyway I just ordered old Radeon card and will try more luck with her.

nvidia control panel is a pain with interlaced, you can use it to make an interlaced resolution then you need to apply it through the display adapter properties, not through nvidia. it's annoying.

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On 5/21/2019 at 10:01 AM, Kris3456 said:

Speaking about CRT. I have Sony KV-36HQ100 TV (max: 1024x576i 100 Hz) connected to my computer by special VGA-SCART cable. This model can only use interlaced 50hz signal and it is doubling it, to display flicker free and really superior image.

 

Windows 8 accepted any interlaced resolution made by me in CRU (Custom Resolution Utility) when using Radeon card.

 

CRU.jpg.57050042cdd648f2337f63d1c92c8310.jpg

 

How is the picture quality with the VGA-SCART cable compared to S-Video? And does it work with other TV's too? I have a Sony KV-32FX68E, I have it connected to a PC (with GeForce 8500 GT) via S-Video and it looks pretty good but I'd prefer the better colors of RGB Scart.

The PC has Xubuntu and I use 1024x576p custom resolution which the GPU converts to 720x576i S-Video. In Windows I haven't been able to get 1024x576 resolution working and newer drivers doesn't even have any custom resolution options for S-Video.


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On 6/5/2019 at 12:34 AM, Pasi123 said:

 

How is the picture quality with the VGA-SCART cable compared to S-Video? And does it work with other TV's too? I have a Sony KV-32FX68E, I have it connected to a PC (with GeForce 8500 GT) via S-Video and it looks pretty good but I'd prefer the better colors of RGB Scart.

The PC has Xubuntu and I use 1024x576p custom resolution which the GPU converts to 720x576i S-Video. In Windows I haven't been able to get 1024x576 resolution working and newer drivers doesn't even have any custom resolution options for S-Video.

Picture quality and colour on RGB SCART is perfect. It's just like on normal VGA going up to 1080i. You can force any resolutions using using CRU (program for EDID simulation) with Radeon card. Just make resolution, reload Windows and it will shown at once. It worked in Win 8 and now in 10 too.

 

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And picture looks like this:

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But those 100 Hz Sony-s from Europe having Super Fine Pitch (1440x1080i) work only at max x576i 50 Hz anyway. The tube can accept higher res, RGB Euro connector too, but European versions has no circuits to display them properly (there is not an option to disable 100 Hz conversion). But thanks to doubling 50 Hz to 100 Hz internally, there is no flickering at least.

 

Problem in Windows seems related just to NVIDIA. So just buy an old cheap Radeon as I did. Problem can be custom VGA->SCART cable avaiability too (as I know standard cables advertised as: SCART->VGA cable will not work probably ?). In my country i can buy good one for about 10 USD.

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But You have Sony Hi-Scan tube with 853x1080i, so it seems 1024 cannot be shown horizontally without distortion.

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