EU Vote in Favour of Article 13

[EldritchMoose]

12 hours ago, Eaglerino said:

Germany bans all Nazi symbols. While a horrifically deplorable people and group, you can't have "free speech but..."

Considering that the formation of the European Union was heavily influenced by the second world war, Germany tried (IIRC this was about 10 years ago) to get the EU parliament to agree on a blanket ban of specifically Nazi symbolism. Not only did this ban get voted down, but even more recently Germany has lifted the ban on using Nazi symbolism in art.

 

As such, the EU currently has no blanket law that prevents freedom of expression. That said, individual member states do still have the ability to enforce their own individual laws and it's possible to get arrested for breaking an unrelated law when you voice your opinion. Death threats are an example of this, where you'll still get arrested for threatening to kill someone no matter how much you may argue that it's simply your opinion that this person should no longer be alive.

 

In addition, it's not uncommon for laws to overlap and/or contradict each other. Over here in the Netherlands, we have two constitutional laws that are capable of creating a massive gray area: Freedom of speech and a ban on discrimination that includes hate speech. In these cases it is up to the courts to decide on a case by case basis which of the two laws carries more weight. Not too long ago, one of our politicians stood trial for this and did not get convicted.

8 hours ago, Trik'Stari said:

And aren't they elected by the governments of the constituent countries, not the people of those countries?

Fun fact: the next election for EU parliament in the Netherlands is this coming May.

7 hours ago, Trik'Stari said:

I have similar problems with the federal system here in the US. I'm beginning to realize that governments made up of more governments are just generally a bad idea. Really governments shouldn't go beyond the local size. The smaller the government is, the easier it is to keep them under control.

I think it's a scale issue, mainly. The bigger the population, the more interests will have to be taken into account when deciding laws. The EU was created in part to provide a unified front when dealing with the rest of the world. While its effectiveness can be argued, the underlying idea was literally to move away from the shaky international relations that led to two world wars in less than half a century before its founding.

7 hours ago, mr moose said:

In fact I'd be willing to bet that majority of the population doesn't know what it is beyond some letter that some company wrote about or an article headline that they didn't read.

I agree, and politicians like Axel Voss are directly helped by that fact. By keeping the law largely unknown by the general population, it's much easier to push it through without resistance. There is a reason that the UK's most searched phrase after the Brexit referendum in 2016 was "What does Brexit entail?"

[SignedAdam]

I live in the U.K. and don’t feel we even had a say on this new EU law, which is why we are wanting to leave, it’s run by people we didn’t vote in to power, it isn’t a democracy 

[Mihle]

On 3/30/2019 at 7:31 AM, SignedAdam said:

I live in the U.K. and don’t feel we even had a say on this new EU law, which is why we are wanting to leave, it’s run by people we didn’t vote in to power, it isn’t a democracy 

But you do.

You voted on who would represent UK in the EU parliament.

 

By your logic, you don't feel you (people in your constituency/electoral area) had any say on new laws created in the UK parliament.

 

You voted on who would represent your area.

[SignedAdam]

12 minutes ago, Mihle said:

But you do.

You voted on who would represent UK in the EU parliament.

 

By your logic, you don't feel you (people in your constituency/electoral area)electoral area had any say on new laws created in the UK parliament.

 

You voted on who would represent your area.

It’s a little more complicated than you think and no I actually didn’t vote conservative, I voted Labour and they didn’t get in to power, 

 

also to make things even more confusing we the U.K. aren’t actually allowed to have a person represent us, with in the EU cause we are leaving, or meant to be! Just in case you haven’t seen the headlines, so we have as much say as America 

[Mihle]

1 minute ago, SignedAdam said:

It’s a little more complicated than you think and no I actually didn’t vote conservative, I voted Labour and they didn’t get in to power, 

 

also to make things even more confusing we the U.K. aren’t actually allowed to have a person represent us, with in the EU cause we are leaving, or meant to be! Just in case you haven’t seen the headlines

Its UK that have the voting system they do (first past the post). It's the UK people that voted conservative. It's the UK people that voted for Brexit.

[SignedAdam]

43 minutes ago, Mihle said:

Its UK that have the voting system they do (first past the post). It's the UK people that voted conservative. It's the UK people that voted for Brexit.

Doesn’t mean we all voted the same @Mihle so you can’t put everyone in the Uk in the same box I’m afraid, just like not everyone voted trump in America, not everyone voted conservative

 

It’s a good job we are leaving too, cause would you want your country to be part of a damaging system as the EU has invented, hopefully America will come up with something to combat this! As stated, the U.K. had no say in this as we aren’t allowed to have a vote as we are leaving, hope I’ve made that clear, you can’t blame one country for this mess either, as the EU is a collective, that we the U.K. are leaving, ironically a country that had a war with us Germany, seem to actually have the most say, because they have the most money, also the nationality of the people that are doing most of the paperwork with in the EU are German in nationality,

 

better economy and more money seems to = more say in the EU

 

So just an idea, don’t point the finger at your ally, the British, but at Germany?

 

think about it, if you vote the same as a country with lots of money, let’s say “Germany” as an example, and they voted for article 13 and your little country voted the same, then “Germany in this example” might think about giving more money to that little country that helped it win that vote, it’s all very corrupt which is a reason we are leaving and they do not represent the U.K. as of now! 

 

by no means am I an expert but I live in the U.K. and this is why I voted leave along with other damaging things the EU is doing to our country,

[Mihle]

3 hours ago, SignedAdam said:

Doesn’t mean we all voted the same @Mihle so you can’t put everyone in the Uk in the same box I’m afraid, just like not everyone voted trump in America, not everyone voted conservative

 

It’s a good job we are leaving too, cause would you want your country to be part of a damaging system as the EU has invented, hopefully America will come up with something to combat this! As stated, the U.K. had no say in this as we aren’t allowed to have a vote as we are leaving, hope I’ve made that clear, you can’t blame one country for this mess either, as the EU is a collective, that we the U.K. are leaving, ironically a country that had a war with us Germany, seem to actually have the most say, because they have the most money, also the nationality of the people that are doing most of the paperwork with in the EU are German in nationality,

 

better economy and more money seems to = more say in the EU

 

So just an idea, don’t point the finger at your ally, the British, but at Germany?

 

think about it, if you vote the same as a country with lots of money, let’s say “Germany” as an example, and they voted for article 13 and your little country voted the same, then “Germany in this example” might think about giving more money to that little country that helped it win that vote, it’s all very corrupt which is a reason we are leaving and they do not represent the U.K. as of now! 

 

by no means am I an expert but I live in the U.K. and this is why I voted leave along with other damaging things the EU is doing to our country,

I know not everyone voted it, but the winning side get at least some of what they want. If you care enough, maybe try to fight what you believe is wrong? But remember that you might be wrong too, and don't treat people as the enemy. If everyone did that we would have found the best middle ground probably. I know lots of people don't.

 

You would have an voice in EU if you weren't about to leave. Damaging system? Let's see what happens to UKs economy of they leave.  UK is a collective too, just a much more integrated one, for example between England, Scotland, Whales and North Irland.

 

Overall collective usually does what the average of the participants wants, that's just how it works.

 

Germany have the most seats in parliament because they have more citizens, not because of their money. 

When it comes to EU laws, only the number of seats matter, not economy. You could maybe say they could have afforded more propaganda, but that's not really the same... 

Germany is NOT your enemy.

 

Germany also participate to other countries in EU with the most money, exactly because they are the strongest economy. (Like to Greece for example).

 

And if you think either countries shouldn't help poorer countries, today's world, it's not a sum zero game. If citizens of Greece had more money, other countries would have the chance to grow even more, if we work together.

 

I neither look at Germany or UK as an enemy, because neither are one. But UK seems to want to work together less... Well, my country is an exeption, UK likes us because they need our gass

 

Generally, the EU money, that goes from one country to another, (through EU, not through trade) is based on two things: Who have the strongest or weakest economy, and who works together with what EU does. Why would they give money to someone that try to fight EU?

 

It's not about who votes what in the parliament, it's about if they do what they are supposed to do, if they actually follow what EU agreed to do.

 

If UK had more citizens, they would have more voting power. It would not be fair if UK had the same number of seats in EU parliament as Germany, as UK are less people. UK have had much more seats than Denmark or whatever because more citizens.

If their economy was weaker, (or the weaker ones was stronger) less UK money would go to help.

 

I wish my country joined EU. We have currently zero votes there.

 

 But we can agree to disagree. This probably should not continue in this thread as this is not what the thread is about.

 

[SignedAdam]

4 hours ago, Mihle said:

I know not everyone voted it, but the winning side get at least some of what they want. If you care enough, maybe try to fight what you believe is wrong? But remember that you might be wrong too, and don't treat people as the enemy. If everyone did that we would have found the best middle ground probably. I know lots of people don't.

 

You would have an voice in EU if you weren't about to leave. Damaging system? Let's see what happens to UKs economy of they leave.  UK is a collective too, just a much more integrated one, for example between England, Scotland, Whales and North Irland.

 

Overall collective usually does what the average of the participants wants, that's just how it works.

 

Germany have the most seats in parliament because they have more citizens, not because of their money. 

When it comes to EU laws, only the number of seats matter, not economy. You could maybe say they could have afforded more propaganda, but that's not really the same... 

Germany is NOT your enemy.

 

Germany also participate to other countries in EU with the most money, exactly because they are the strongest economy. (Like to Greece for example).

 

And if you think either countries shouldn't help poorer countries, today's world, it's not a sum zero game. If citizens of Greece had more money, other countries would have the chance to grow even more, if we work together.

 

I neither look at Germany or UK as an enemy, because neither are one. But UK seems to want to work together less... Well, my country is an exeption, UK likes us because they need our gass

 

Generally, the EU money, that goes from one country to another, (through EU, not through trade) is based on two things: Who have the strongest or weakest economy, and who works together with what EU does. Why would they give money to someone that try to fight EU?

 

It's not about who votes what in the parliament, it's about if they do what they are supposed to do, if they actually follow what EU agreed to do.

 

If UK had more citizens, they would have more voting power. It would not be fair if UK had the same number of seats in EU parliament as Germany, as UK are less people. UK have had much more seats than Denmark or whatever because more citizens.

If their economy was weaker, (or the weaker ones was stronger) less UK money would go to help.

 

I wish my country joined EU. We have currently zero votes there.

 

 But we can agree to disagree. This probably should not continue in this thread as this is not what the thread is about.

 

We (The Uk) fought off Germany, off our  shores, as they were invading our country ,which is why we still have remembrance day, Poppy Day, as we gave as good as we got, I don’t see why we shouldn’t have as many seats as Germany, who I’ll remind you, was once ruled by a crazy man, one that was actually killing people all the time, why shouldn’t we have as equal say, as a country with that bad history, let us not forget!

 

Agreed, this should not be continued here as this is about the EU doing stupid things! Which I’m glad our country won’t be part of, especially when it has country’s like that leading the way.

 

Even though we have had the least amount of seats, we still were the 4th or 3ed richest country in the EU, which by the way, they are still trying to steal more of our wealth/money even though we are leaving, I hope other country’s follow and the whole sh show comes down, the EU is about control, America and Australia have the right idea  

 

if you don't agree with me about the control part, I’ll just leave you with one word and two numbers... 

[SignedAdam]

P.s we have no SEATS

[Thaldor]

19 minutes ago, SignedAdam said:

We (The Uk) fought off Germany, off our  shores, as they were invading our country ,which is why we still have remembrance day, Poppy Day, as we gave as good as we got, I don’t see why we shouldn’t have as many seats as Germany, who I’ll remind you, was once ruled by a crazy man, one that was actually killing people all the time, why shouldn’t we have as equal say, as a country with that bad history, let us not forget!

 

Agreed, this should not be continued here as this is about the EU doing stupid things! Which I’m glad our country won’t be part of, especially when it has country’s like that leading the way.

 

Even though we have had the least amount of seats, we still were the 4th or 3ed richest country in the EU, which by the way, they are still trying to steal more of our wealth/money even though we are leaving, I hope other country’s follow and the whole sh show comes down, the EU is about control, America and Australia have the right idea  

 

if you don't agree with me about the control part, I’ll just leave you with one word and two numbers... 

Talking about crazy, how's that porn pass going? Didn't really sell for EU back in 2008(?), but good thing you are now leaving so you can tax on beating the meat. Oh, and let's not forget the time when UK was first time close to brexit when they didn't want to give prisoners rights to vote and they got in trouble with European court of human rights which was founded by the UK and operated by the UK and UK even wanted the ECHR to have status over individual countrys court systems. But since you are leaving probably that problem of yours is also fixed so only people with the right social status can vote in the future (probably the great house of lords, so no dimwits could vote). And on that note you are probably planning to start new prison island, just like in the old times, because getting probably criminal people out of the country is the best way to handel the problem and something like a trial and finding out wether or not they actually are criminals is overrated and takes too much time from watching womens tennis while sipping tea. Oh yeah! And don't forget to rob every colony you still have left, like you robbed every single colony that didn't have enough power to say "F' off" in the past (*gough* India and African colonies *gough*), but I guess Northern-Ireland is already quite F'ed up and I guess this time Ireland would get a lot more support than good old England. ()

 

It's kind of hard to find countries without crazy pasts in Europe. Spain and Portugal went quite crazy with South-America and you don't even want to look at the history of Africa, especialy Congo. Biggest differences are that while some European countries have been tried and convicted from going crazy, most of them got out from that without any punishments. You don't really want to look at the history when comparing countries (at least if you're British, there's a lot of dirt to shovel in that colour full history) for todays politics and you definetly don't want to reflect those to mdoern politics (with that German would only kill people while Britain would turn every other country to third world countries and then just sit on a pile of gold thinking "why everyone else is so poor, it's not like we would have robbed all of their resources for ourselves").

 

And about that porn pass, I don't even want to know how internet legistation would have turned out to be if British old goats would have made that. Now we just got article 13 that has some good things in it, with the old goats we would have probably got something a lot more restrictive and a lot more stupid, like the porn pass.

[mr moose]

On 3/29/2019 at 7:34 PM, EldritchMoose said:

I agree, and politicians like Axel Voss are directly helped by that fact. By keeping the law largely unknown by the general population, it's much easier to push it through without resistance. There is a reason that the UK's most searched phrase after the Brexit referendum in 2016 was "What does Brexit entail?"

They aren't keeping it intentionally hidden/masked or even low key, they publish everything and media jumps all over it, people just don't care.  The information for both this and Brexit and nearly every other law or directive is well published.

[Mihle]

15 hours ago, SignedAdam said:

We (The Uk) fought off Germany, off our  shores, as they were invading our country ,which is why we still have remembrance day, Poppy Day, as we gave as good as we got, I don’t see why we shouldn’t have as many seats as Germany, who I’ll remind you, was once ruled by a crazy man, one that was actually killing people all the time, why shouldn’t we have as equal say, as a country with that bad history, let us not forget!

 

Agreed, this should not be continued here as this is about the EU doing stupid things! Which I’m glad our country won’t be part of, especially when it has country’s like that leading the way.

 

Even though we have had the least amount of seats, we still were the 4th or 3ed richest country in the EU, which by the way, they are still trying to steal more of our wealth/money even though we are leaving, I hope other country’s follow and the whole sh show comes down, the EU is about control, America and Australia have the right idea  

 

if you don't agree with me about the control part, I’ll just leave you with one word and two numbers... 

As I said, Germany have more people....

Stop living in the 1940, Germany is not your enemy, they are in no form as they where...

 

UK give more because they have more, the poorer countries gain is also your gain, because then they can afford to buy stuff from you....

If all countries got poorer, UK would have too, because they wouldn't be able to buy as much from you....

[SignedAdam]

48 minutes ago, Mihle said:

As I said, Germany have more people....

Stop living in the 1940, Germany is not your enemy, they are in no form as they where...

 

UK give more because they have more, the poorer countries gain is also your gain, because then they can afford to buy stuff from you....

If all countries got poorer, UK would have too, because they wouldn't be able to buy as much from you....

I can’t believe what I’m seeing, we are a country at the end of the day, your  citizens should come 1st not outsiders, you think we are rich, I can tell you that we aren’t, and even if we were, I believe in what America and Australia are doing, think not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country, 

 

ooh, and prisoners shouldn’t get a vote they are in jail for a reason they lost that right when they committed a crime, don’t want to lose your right to vote, don’t commit crime, it’s dead simple - and with that my input in to this discussion is over, before I start calling people names 

[chiller15]

16 hours ago, SignedAdam said:

We (The Uk) fought off Germany, off our  shores, as they were invading our country ,which is why we still have remembrance day, Poppy Day, as we gave as good as we got, I don’t see why we shouldn’t have as many seats as Germany, who I’ll remind you, was once ruled by a crazy man, one that was actually killing people all the time, why shouldn’t we have as equal say, as a country with that bad history, let us not forget!

You don't think we've had our fair share of monstrosities over the years? Let us not forget that we, the British, have killed a hell of a lot more people over the past 2000 years than anyone else.

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Agreed, this should not be continued here as this is about the EU doing stupid things! Which I’m glad our country won’t be part of, especially when it has country’s like that leading the way.

 

Even though we have had the least amount of seats, we still were the 4th or 3ed richest country in the EU, which by the way, they are still trying to steal more of our wealth/money even though we are leaving, I hope other country’s follow and the whole sh show comes down, the EU is about control, America and Australia have the right idea  

 

if you don't agree with me about the control part, I’ll just leave you with one word and two numbers... 

Being part of the EU provides far more benefits than being out of it. We have a useless government throwing money away hand over fist to act on their misguided promise, regardless of how things change.

 

I also hate those arguements about leaving the EU due to immigration. That's a problem created by the UK, not the EU. The problem will still persist, even when we leave the EU.

 

Yes, this Article 13 business sucks and I am opposed to it, however it is just more ammunition for leavers to use to justify their often (not aimed at you) racially motivated points of view.

 

Also, we didn't have much of a say in GDPR, however that was welcomed because it is actually a good EU law. It reminds me of that saying 'when the shoe fits'.

[Master Delta Chief]

1 hour ago, SignedAdam said:

I can’t believe what I’m seeing, we are a country at the end of the day, your  citizens should come 1st not outsiders, you think we are rich, I can tell you that we aren’t, and even if we were, I believe in what America and Australia are doing, think not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country, 

 

ooh, and prisoners shouldn’t get a vote they are in jail for a reason they lost that right when they committed a crime, don’t want to lose your right to vote, don’t commit crime, it’s dead simple - and with that my input in to this discussion is over, before I start calling people names 

That's wrong. In this day of age both refugees and national citizens should both be a priority. Having nationalistic views isn't a bad thing, but since we're in 2019, it shouldn't be something that's going to take-over the entire country. Certain views should be kept in the past as we've seen what would happen if we take it to the extremes. There has to be a balance to make sure that we can help as much people as possible. 

 

Nevertheless, regarding this Article 13 and 11, it should not be a reason to leave the EU. If you think that the EU is the only government that has some bad laws, that's just wrong. There are many more examples across the world regarding laws which are not good for the people.

[leadeater]

1 hour ago, Master Delta Chief said:

If you think that the EU is the only government that has some bad laws,

In the UK it's illegal to:

• Handle a Salmon in suspicious circumstances
• Gamble in a Library
• Wear armor in Parliament (punishment by beheading)
• Shaking a rug in public after 8am
• Wear an outrageous double ruff
• Be sockless within 100 yards of the Queen
• Sing obscene ballads in public 
• Knock on a door and run away

 

[Sauron]

19 hours ago, SignedAdam said:

We (The Uk) fought off Germany, off our  shores, as they were invading our country ,which is why we still have remembrance day, Poppy Day, as we gave as good as we got, I don’t see why we shouldn’t have as many seats as Germany, who I’ll remind you, was once ruled by a crazy man, one that was actually killing people all the time, why shouldn’t we have as equal say, as a country with that bad history, let us not forget!

UK history is full to the brim with imperialism and genocide, get right off that ridiculous high horse. Even just in your chosen time period, the UK forced India into a famine that killed millions in order to win WWII. Claiming any greater right than other EU countries off of past history is absurd and honestly wouldn't play in the UK's favor. You get seats based on your population, like everyone else. The EU isn't there to pander to any single country, we are all considered equals.

19 hours ago, SignedAdam said:

Agreed, this should not be continued here as this is about the EU doing stupid things! Which I’m glad our country won’t be part of, especially when it has country’s like that leading the way.

Yes, your country is going to sink on its own - or, more likely, your government will finally realize they can't keep bullshitting their own citizens forever and will call for another referendum, which brexit will lose. I hope for you that it's the latter, but part of me wishes to see you go through with it, pay the price, and be a great example for the rest of the EU of what a bad idea brexit was.

19 hours ago, SignedAdam said:

Even though we have had the least amount of seats, we still were the 4th or 3ed richest country in the EU, which by the way, they are still trying to steal more of our wealth/money even though we are leaving, I hope other country’s follow and the whole sh show comes down, the EU is about control, America and Australia have the right idea

"Steal your money" - rofl

Have fun when you'll get out with no valid trade deals with any EU country and will have to renegotiate worse terms (for you) with everyone just to prevent your economy from imploding. Hold on to your precious money, we'll see how much it'll be worth in a couple of years when nobody will want it. Enjoy needing a freaking visa and passport every time you want to put your nose out of your handful of islands.

 

The UK has always tried to reap all the benefits of the EU while giving as little back as possible - in almost every way, for the rest of the EU brexit is just a good riddance. But since most of us aren't selfish cave people, we actually feel sorry for you - at least when you're not spouting this sort of bullshit.

[TechyBen]

How do I just delete my post?

[Sauron]

6 hours ago, TechyBen said:

How do I just delete my post?

Report it to a mod or just leave it like this

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On 3/30/2019 at 7:31 AM, SignedAdam said:

I live in the U.K. and don’t feel we even had a say on this new EU law, which is why we are wanting to leave, it’s run by people we didn’t vote in to power, it isn’t a democracy 

Of course you didn't have a say in it.  Article 50 clearly states that a member state that wishes to leave the union has no more say in the latter's decisions/regulations/laws. 

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For the purposes of paragraphs 2 and 3, the member of the European Council or of the Council representing the withdrawing Member State shall not participate in the discussions of the European Council or Council or in decisions concerning it.

So basically you lost your right to influence the EU's decisions back in March 2017. 

Before you start telling us how unfair that is, the UK must have been well aware of that rule seeing as they actually pushed for the creation of Article 50 back in 2004.

 

If the UK wanted a say in the law or oppose it, they should have stayed in the EU.

 

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14 hours ago, chiller15 said:

It reminds me of that saying 'when the shoe fits'

When the shoe fits ... pretend it doesn't and try to get a discount.

 

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Anyway ...

 

Remember how GDPR was going be used to fine everyone and their dog?  Hasn't happened, only the large ones that feel like the rules shouldn't apply to them actually get fined after either repeated infractions or refusal to fix problems.

This is most likely going to end up the same way.  There will be some inconveniences, but it won't be anywhere near as bad as some people make it out to be.

 

Most of the opposition appears to be fuelled by Google's misinformation campaign.  One that they didn't set up because they care about small creators or users, but because it would affect their bottom line. 

If Youtube has to implement a filter that blocks an upload due to copyright infringement, they don't get the ad revenue that they'd get if they quietly allow the infringing content to remain online until the copyright holder files a DMCA claim.

 

I'm not saying that I'm in favor of this law or feel that it's perfect, but it's nowhere near "the end of the internet" or an "assault on free speech". 

[GoldenLag]

On 3/30/2019 at 1:47 PM, Mihle said:

I wish my country joined EU. We have currently zero votes there.

Just guessing which country, but that country has no insentives to join due to the devestating effects it would have on agriculture as no farms would be abke to compete with EU pricing. Also we would have to lower our standards to EU levels. 

 

And while those standards are great on the world stage, its not by this country's standards

[Mihle]

1 hour ago, GoldenLag said:

Just guessing which country, but that country has no insentives to join due to the devestating effects it would have on agriculture as no farms would be abke to compete with EU pricing. Also we would have to lower our standards to EU levels. 

 

And while those standards are great on the world stage, its not by this country's standards

In reality, I am split on the issue, but yes, there is bad things about it too.

 

But for example leaving EEA is a total no go for me tho.

[GoldenLag]

1 minute ago, Mihle said:

But for example leaving EEA is a total no go for me tho.

Current deal is as good as it gets for the economic situation. 

 

2 minutes ago, Mihle said:

In reality, I am split on the issue, but yes, there is bad things about it too.

There are some downsides, but the positives outweigh the negatives

[Mihle]

11 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

Current deal is as good as it gets for the economic situation. 

 

There are some downsides, but the positives outweigh the negatives

My opinion about US staying in EEA or joining EU can probably change from week to week depending on what article or tweets I did read last time because I am split really. Leaving EEA and being totally outside is a no go tho no matter what.

[EldritchMoose]

On 3/30/2019 at 7:31 AM, SignedAdam said:

I live in the U.K. and don’t feel we even had a say on this new EU law, which is why we are wanting to leave, it’s run by people we didn’t vote in to power, it isn’t a democracy 

Which I find strange, because it looks like your MEPs actually got to cast more votes than ours. In fact, not only did UK MEPs make up more than 9% of total votes, they managed to cast more "in favour" votes than my country has seats. Besides, you guys literally voted to "have no part of EU politics" when you first voted UKIP into the EU parliament, and then pushed Brexit.

On 3/30/2019 at 6:11 PM, SignedAdam said:

We (The Uk) fought off Germany, off our  shores, as they were invading our country ,which is why we still have remembrance day, Poppy Day, as we gave as good as we got, I don’t see why we shouldn’t have as many seats as Germany, who I’ll remind you, was once ruled by a crazy man, one that was actually killing people all the time, why shouldn’t we have as equal say, as a country with that bad history, let us not forget!

 

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Even though we have had the least amount of seats, we still were the 4th or 3ed richest country in the EU, which by the way, they are still trying to steal more of our wealth/money even though we are leaving, I hope other country’s follow and the whole sh show comes down, the EU is about control, America and Australia have the right idea

Others have already pointed it out, but for your own sake, I would advise against stepping into the "your country is worse than mine" spotlight if you're British. You won't come out of that one favourably. Say what you will about Germany, but they have spent the last seven decades working to improve their image, I wish the same could be said for the UK.

 

Also, please don't lie about your amount of seats. The UK, until the next EU election coming up in May, is tied with Italy for having the third largest share of seats (73). With the second place going to France, who have a whopping 1 seat more than you. I'll freely admit that Germany has 96, but that doesn't change that the UK still has three times as many seats as the 4 countries that have the smallest amount combined.

On 3/31/2019 at 5:06 AM, mr moose said:

They aren't keeping it intentionally hidden/masked or even low key, they publish everything and media jumps all over it, people just don't care.  The information for both this and Brexit and nearly every other law or directive is well published.

While I don't disagree about keeping the proposed law intentionally hidden, they are helped by the fact that the internet initially grabbed onto this as a "meme ban" rather than a potentially damaging piece of legislature that could break the way the internet functions. They are not, in my opinion, doing enough to inform people on why this law would be a good thing beyond "it gives us more leverage to protect copyright, you like copyright, right?"

17 hours ago, VegetableStu said:

... don't you guys (well those reading in the UK anyway) have like the Queen going around in the carriage every year or something...? o_o

That's not even what I'd be worried about (assuming most people wear socks when they go outside in the UK - it's not the kind of country that is suitable for flip-flops for most of the year. I'm far more worried about the palace staff (not sure if they have their own shower facilities in the palace) whenever the Queen is on-site.