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Posted · Original PosterOP

Hey guys, i would like to ask you for a little advice on picking the RAM, so right now im running on 4x4 Corsair Vengeance at 2133 and 15-15-15-35 which I bought a long time ago. Since i upgraded my system to i7- 8700K and Evga Ftw 1080 and its all running on GIGABYTE Z390 AORUS PRO  i was thinking to upgrade the RAM too. So i've been looking  for  2x 8G  and picked some out, so i would like your guys opinion and suggestions.

 

- So first one is the G.SKILL TridentZ Series at 3000 and 15-15-15-35 for 158$ canadian

- The second one is Patriot Viper 4 at 3400 and 16-18-18-36  for 180$ canadian

 There is a lot of options from 3000-3400 and different CAS timings,

- I don't want to go over 3400, because even at 3600 im not sure that my Mobo would run it. 

-  So guys im waiting for ur tips and suggestions on that

 

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12 minutes ago, Midasik said:

- I don't want to go over 3400, because even at 3600 im not sure that my Mobo would run it. 

 

 

Even if your MOBO technically can't handle the high speed RAM like 3600, speeds like that are generally OCs, and even if they weren't your MOBO would just downclock the RAM to a compatible speed as long as they are of the same gen (like DDR4).


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If you can find Patriot Viper 4 3733mhz at a good price go for that. It's cheap here in the US on Amazon and runs at 3200mhz CL14 with tightened timings on my Ryzen build.

It's Samsung b-die as well.

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24 minutes ago, Midasik said:

Hey guys, i would like to ask you for a little advice on picking the RAM, so right now im running on 4x4 Corsair Vengeance at 2133 and 15-15-15-35 which I bought a long time ago. Since i upgraded my system to i7- 8700K and Evga Ftw 1080 and its all running on GIGABYTE Z390 AORUS PRO  i was thinking to upgrade the RAM too. So i've been looking  for  2x 8G  and picked some out, so i would like your guys opinion and suggestions.

 

- So first one is the G.SKILL TridentZ Series at 3000 and 15-15-15-35 for 158$ canadian

- The second one is Patriot Viper 4 at 3400 and 16-18-18-36  for 180$ canadian

 There is a lot of options from 3000-3400 and different CAS timings,

- I don't want to go over 3400, because even at 3600 im not sure that my Mobo would run it. 

-  So guys im waiting for ur tips and suggestions on that

 

 

Or this ram and it's on the QVL list for the MB.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($154.99 @ Amazon Canada) 
Total: $154.99
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-03-26 00:22 EDT-0400


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Posted · Original PosterOP
27 minutes ago, Wh0_Am_1 said:

Even if your MOBO technically can't handle the high speed RAM like 3600, speeds like that are generally OCs, and even if they weren't your MOBO would just downclock the RAM to a compatible speed as long as they are of the same gen (like DDR4).

I know that my mobo can run 3600 like some of the trident Z since i was checking their web site for compatibility for my mobo im just not sure about the other brands

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22 minutes ago, Ankerson said:

 

Or this ram and it's on the QVL list for the MB.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($154.99 @ Amazon Canada) 
Total: $154.99
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-03-26 00:22 EDT-0400

I've checked that one too,  now its just what's better 3000 at 15-15-15-35 or the 3200 at 16-18-18-38

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29 minutes ago, fluxdeity said:

If you can find Patriot Viper 4 3733mhz at a good price go for that. It's cheap here in the US on Amazon and runs at 3200mhz CL14 with tightened timings on my Ryzen build.

It's Samsung b-die as well.

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I haven't even though about taking the higher frequency memory and turning it down, but then would be worth the $ ?

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3 minutes ago, Midasik said:

I've checked that one too,  now its just what's better 3000 at 15-15-15-35 or the 3200 at 16-18-18-38

 

They will be the same overall performance, but the 3200 gives more bandwidth.

 

If you want the max then CL14 DDR4 3200 would be it, but it's EXPENSIVE.

 

That's what I am currently running: 14-14-14-35.

 

 


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Posted · Original PosterOP
1 minute ago, Ankerson said:

 

They will be the same overall performance, but the 3200 gives more bandwidth.

Then why not to go for the Viper 3400 since it has the same Cas timming ?

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9 minutes ago, Midasik said:

Then why not to go for the Viper 3400 since it has the same Cas timming ?

 

Best to stick with Tier 1 memory.

 

Corsair, GSKILL, Crucial, Kingston (HYPER-X)


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How about you try ocing your ram to a higher speed before you buy some ram ? 2666 mhz should be easily doable and I seen people have luck at 2933 and 3200 with cl14 2400 

 

 The one thing I need to ask is what are you trying to achieve with higher ram speeds on an Intel cpu? 2400mhz to 3000mhz is a 0-2% fps in gaming with a 8600k. I think a 8700k would probably get similar results

 

Unless your trying to win world record holding spots in benchmarks. 

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13 minutes ago, Ankerson said:

 

Best to stick with Tier 1 memory.

 

Corsair, GSKILL, Crucial, Kingston (HYPER-X)

I kinda agree with you but we're talking about low\,mid frequency which is now is pretty stable for most brands and i've checked that viper memory for my mobo and people say its pretty stable

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3 minutes ago, Midasik said:

I kinda agree with you but we're talking about low\,mid frequency which is now is pretty stable for most brands and i've checked that viper memory for my mobo and people say its pretty stable

 

That's what the budget gurus always say. ;)

 

The best is Corsair and GSKILL.

 

Memory is one of the things that you shouldn't cheap out on.

 

DDR4 3000 or 3200 is fine and you won't see any real difference going higher than that.


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5 minutes ago, PrinnyExplodes said:

How about you try ocing your ram to a higher speed ? 2666 mhz should be easily doable and I seen people have luck at 2933 and 3200 with cl14 2400 

 

 The one thing I need to ask is what are you trying to achieve with higher ram speeds? 2400mhz to 3200mhz is a 0-2% fps in gaming with a 8600k. I don't think a 8700k would probably get similar results

Well first of all i want to have a space for upgrade if i'll need 32g in a future before we switch to DDR 5

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37 minutes ago, Midasik said:

I've checked that one too,  now its just what's better 3000 at 15-15-15-35 or the 3200 at 16-18-18-38

To be honest they perform very similar but after studying some dram forums about ram speeds and different timings for my ryzen build, the general consensus is that the 3200 with shitty timings will slightly edge out the 3000 with better timings. But when you push extremely high overclocks, you might get shit kicked by poor stability of the 3200 CL16.

10 minutes ago, Midasik said:

Well first of all i want to have a space for upgrade if i'll need 32g in a future before we switch to DDR 5

Cool good to know. Who knows what the future holds.

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4 minutes ago, PrinnyExplodes said:

To be honest they perform very similar but after studying some dram forums about ram speeds and different timings for my ryzen build, the general consensus is that the 3200 with shitty timings will slightly edge out the 3000 with better timings. But when you push extremely high overclocks, you might get shit kicked by poor stability of the 3200 CL16.

Would there even be a point of OC  if it only slightly increase the fps?

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1 hour ago, Midasik said:

I've checked that one too,  now its just what's better 3000 at 15-15-15-35 or the 3200 at 16-18-18-38

have u tried putting 1.4v on ur current ram, and see if it runs cl16 3000 yet?


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Here's a bench of the Patriot 3733 running @ 3466 CL14. Nothing wrong with manufacturers other than G.Skill or Corsair, it's still Samsung b-die and clocks nicely.

G.Skill didn't replace a stick of RAM from my DDR3 build a year ago because there was a spec of dirt on the pin from shipping and they said it was damaged and even indicated the pin. Wiped off the dirt and it was just fine no scratches or anything, and no that wasn't the issue as it still didn't work. So built a new AM4/DDR4 combo and went with anyone other than G.Skill. I don't like companies that go above and beyond to avoid warranty'ing a product.

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20 hours ago, Midasik said:

Would there even be a point of OC  if it only slightly increase the fps?

To be honest not really, but if you are trying to churn out performance numbers for something like 3dmark for the highest score, every little bit helps

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