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Another, another Zen 2 Leak

zhubaohi
By zhubaohi
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3 minutes ago, descendency said:

 

 

The rumors on the street (maybe that are being fed by Intel fanboys or Intel itself) is that Intel's 7nm process is due 2020 or 2021, just about skipping 10nm. I don't really know enough to know how much it matters - but I think 'RIP Intel' is a bit over simplified (also considering they have a >80% market share...)

How can you get 7nm when 10nm was suppose to be here 2 years ago lol. Not buying it

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Just now, BuckGup said:

How can you get 7nm when 10nm was suppose to be here 2 years ago lol. Not buying it

It's two different teams working on 7 vs 10, but skepticism is warranted with talking about Intel right now. 

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39 minutes ago, descendency said:

It's two different teams working on 7 vs 10, but skepticism is warranted with talking about Intel right now. 

For what reason? 10nm IO and then 7nm cores for their stacked chipper design? 14nm Ian perfectly fine for IO and is easy and cheap to make and going to 10 wouldn’t yield that much

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7 hours ago, zhubaohi said:

He also claimed that the base clock speed is 5.0 Ghz, and can be overclocked to 5.8Ghz, but I doubt it.

BS detector is off the charts on this one  

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If 3858X was a typo, then 5.8GHz is a typo too. He should have checked his shit before he hyped the world. Now we'll get disappointed people screaming AMD is lying about 5.8GHz.

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3 hours ago, Taf the Ghost said:

 

We know the chips are coming in the April to May time range, so it's not impossible the seller has some ES samples. What isn't real is 5.8 Ghz.

 

Sure but if they're leaking out someone broke NDA and probably other agreements. AMD won't be happy about that.

 

18 minutes ago, CTR640 said:

If 3858X was a typo, then 5.8GHz is a typo too. He should have checked his shit before he hyped the world. Now we'll get disappointed people screaming AMD is lying about 5.8GHz.

 

Aye alas.

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No.

 

And NOW, is where I draw the hype line. 5.0 base? No fucking way. 5.8ghz OC? No. NO. Get real, there's no way we're going from 4.1ghz to 5.8ghz in a single generation, this isn't the nineties and that shit can't happen.

 

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Buuuuuut, let's have fun for a second and play pretend. If this was real, can you imagine how screwed Intel would be? Here, lemme buy this r3 3300 for 100$ and OC it to 5.6ghz... I mean, just because of mind share, Intel still won't really be TOO screwed even if all the adoredtv leaks are true and AMD is the CPU kind in every department. But this, can you even imagine? Pentium 4 HT vs Athlon 64 x2 all over again, if not worse. :D

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26 minutes ago, 2Buck said:

No.

 

And NOW, is where I draw the hype line. 5.0 base? No fucking way. 5.8ghz OC? No. NO. Get real, there's no way we're going from 4.1ghz to 5.8ghz in a single generation, this isn't the nineties and that shit can't happen.

 

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Buuuuuut, let's have fun for a second and play pretend. If this was real, can you imagine how screwed Intel would be? Here, lemme buy this r3 3300 for 100$ and OC it to 5.6ghz... I mean, just because of mind share, Intel still won't really be TOO screwed even if all the adoredtv leaks are true and AMD is the CPU kind in every department. But this, can you even imagine? Pentium 4 HT vs Athlon 64 x2 all over again, if not worse. :D

 

Like i said the only way i'd buy this without dry ice or N2 is if where talking with only a single core enabled and you get to pick which core and you've got enough chips to go through to find absolute top tier golden silicon. If he'd claimed a 5Ghz all core OC 'd be still cautious but more inclined to believe it.

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If this chip could hit that speed, no way Lisa Su would be debuting a mere tie with the i9 9900k as CES.

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If this was real, if 5.8GHz is real, can you imagine that???!! Intel would be deadly dead!

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1 hour ago, BuckGup said:

For what reason? 10nm IO and then 7nm cores for their stacked chipper design? 14nm Ian perfectly fine for IO and is easy and cheap to make and going to 10 wouldn’t yield that much

I'm just guessing, but I would imagine that the advances that lead to 10nm process do not help the 7nm process. Or in case one team fails (like the current 10nm team has)

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15 minutes ago, fasauceome said:

If this chip could hit that speed, no way Lisa Su would be debuting a mere tie with the i9 9900k as CES.

 

Yeah but they had the capability to demo a chip with considerably more performance than what they showed by just shoving a second 8 core die on there. I still have a lot of doubt about this claim, 9see previous posts in this thread by me), but i don't think this is really a good argument.

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17 minutes ago, fasauceome said:

If this chip could hit that speed, no way Lisa Su would be debuting a mere tie with the i9 9900k as CES.

I saw a news post a week or so ago saying that AMD actually held back their speeds. And it's definitely possible because the gap was so small between the two (ryzen did 2057 and 9900k did 2040). I think the main idea was to show the efficiency gains. They could have easily upped the speeds, not shown the power consumption and had it pull away. I don't think that ryzen was running anywhere near stock speeds and not with decent ram. We've seen the 12 core ryzen chip appear on benchmark sites once or twice, and it was running at unusually low speeds. Chances are AMD are holding back.

 

Zen2 is going to decimate the 9900k. I'm sure of it.

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14 minutes ago, CarlBar said:

 

Yeah but they had the capability to demo a chip with considerably more performance than what they showed by just shoving a second 8 core die on there. I still have a lot of doubt about this claim, 9see previous posts in this thread by me), but i don't think this is really a good argument.

The hope for Ryzen was the improved single threaded, more multithreaded wasn't the priority for the consumer. They want to show that Ryzen is great for gamers, and they wouldn't do that with a double core count cinebench run.

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13 minutes ago, MeatFeastMan said:

I saw a news post a week or so ago saying that AMD actually held back their speeds. And it's definitely possible because the gap was so small between the two (ryzen did 2057 and 9900k did 2040). I think the main idea was to show the efficiency gains. They could have easily upped the speeds, not shown the power consumption and had it pull away. I don't think that ryzen was running anywhere near stock speeds and not with decent ram. We've seen the 12 core ryzen chip appear on benchmark sites once or twice, and it was running at unusually low speeds. Chances are AMD are holding back.

 

Zen2 is going to decimate the 9900k. I'm sure of it.

Sounds like the same hype surrounding Zen, I would temper your expectations. "Decimating the i9" is a pretty huge leap, I definitely wouldn't expect it.

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Who else is ready for the inevitable derailment of this hype train? I'd be really happy for a 10% improvement over the current 2x00 series...

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8 minutes ago, imreloadin said:

Who else is ready for the inevitable derailment of this hype train?

Well, I am always up for posting ponies, if anyone needs help with derailing stuff!

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1 minute ago, WereCatf said:

Well, I am always up for posting ponies, if anyone needs help with derailing stuff!

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3 minutes ago, Jack_of_all_Trades said:

 

Ugghhh , 10% improvement after the whole 7 nm hype is not a derailment and more of a carpet bombing on the hype train, lets at least have 20%.

With modern CPUs, you can't really talk about general IPC. FPU through-put should be doubled, which probably results in about a 25-30% jump in AVX2 workloads. Zen2 has a fairly large rework of the Front End, so it's going to take a lot of testing to see what the actual improvement ends up being.

 

If AMD somehow had dropped the memory latency in half (not possible, but say it did), the actual IPC wouldn't be up much but the gaming performance would skyrocket. It really is a "wait for a huge amount of benchmarks".

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19 minutes ago, imreloadin said:

Who else is ready for the inevitable derailment of this hype train? I'd be really happy for a 10% improvement over the current 2x00 series...

Radeon VII provided 25% more performance at the same power, and it was basically just Vega '60' put on 7nm. There was no changes to the actual chip really other than adding an extra 8gb of vram.

 

They mentioned a 13% ipc improvement, that was actually coming out of AMD's mouth a few months back, not mine or anyone elses. They'll have improved further since then, so let's say 15% ipc improvement. Add to that a 20% improvement on the node shrink (It could be more but we'll go on the safe side) that suggests about a 30% improvement overall. Then you factor in the work they will have done on improving memory speeds (That is what makes zen tick as we all know) to maybe a solid 3600mhz, if not more. Then you've got the fact they've gone to TSMC process which will increase frequency even further.

 

This thing is going to be so much better than people think it is. Everyone thinks it'll just match 9900k on multicore and end up slightly behind in single core. I don't think so, I think this is going to SET THE BAR.

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5 minutes ago, MeatFeastMan said:

Radeon VII provided 25% more performance at the same power, and it was basically just Vega '60' put on 7nm. There was no changes to the actual chip really other than adding an extra 8gb of vram.

 

They mentioned a 13% ipc improvement, that was actually coming out of AMD's mouth a few months back, not mine or anyone elses. They'll have improved further since then, so let's say 15% ipc improvement. Add to that a 20% improvement on the node shrink (It could be more but we'll go on the safe side) that suggests about a 30% improvement overall. Then you factor in the work they will have done on improving memory speeds (That is what makes zen tick as we all know) to maybe a solid 3600mhz, if not more. Then you've got the fact they've gone to TSMC process which will increase frequency even further.

 

This thing is going to be so much better than people think it is. Everyone thinks it'll just match 9900k on multicore and end up slightly behind in single core. I don't think so, I think this is going to SET THE BAR.

Radeon VII actually had a good number of fixes, just more on the Compute side not gaming. It's probably up 5-7% "IPC" compared to RX Vega. They fixed a few things.

 

As a general prediction, 12% "general class" IPC, 10% better clocks and 50-100% more cores per Price Tier. Some workloads could see upwards of 125% improvements for the same price. (Though expect AMD to compare against Ryzen 1st Gen when they sell 16c parts for 449USD.)

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