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On 3/23/2019 at 7:32 AM, cj09beira said:

how didn't people noticed yet, We getting a Ryzen Ws board guys

Ya this is going to be awesome, hope we see a WS TR4 one at some point.

 

I also hope the WS or some other board comes with 10 Gb on board.

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Just now, VegetableStu said:

CONSUMER SSG GPUs?!?!?!

(seriously, more cards should 2-in-1 IMO o_o)

I'd be down with more companies making dual-GPU cards, personally.

 

It's been a hot minute since the Titan Z and R9 295X2...

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8 hours ago, Okjoek said:

Does anybody know when PCs will begin using DDR5? That's what I'm holding off for so I can do a nice APU SFF / sleeper build.

Currently, 2022 is the earliest we know of that it is expected. IBM and Cavium might be DDR5 systems out in 2020, but x86 could be a bit. DDR4 still has a lot of room to go, DDR5 is going to be expensive for a while you aren't bandwidth restricted under 6 cores right now.

 

So, it's still going to be a bit. It's not expected until Zen4 for AMD, and Zen2 is about to launch. (Though adding DDR5 for customized orders will be possible.)

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8 hours ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

That'll be an interesting time.

 

Personally, I wanna know why we're moving boards to PCIe Gen4 while a GPU will usually fail to saturate Gen3 x16 xD

PCs have more then GPUs that use PCIe.

 

x4 M.2 NVME drives max out the PCIe gen3 x4 interface.

 

Platform chipset interface (AMD & Intel) max out the PCIe gen3 x4 interface

 

10Gb NICs need x2 PCIe gen3 interface currently (x1 is just not enough)

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32 minutes ago, The Benjamins said:

PCs have more then GPUs that use PCIe.

 

x4 M.2 NVME drives max out the PCIe gen3 x4 interface

NVMe could move to the x8 interface if it were really a real world issue for consumers and prosumers.

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So there's a chance that some of us with B350 boards won't be able to run Zen2?

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5 minutes ago, Bearded_Ed said:

So there's a chance that some of us with B350 boards won't be able to run Zen2?

In theory, yes, because of storage that's too small on the motherboard. In practice, what you'll see is a split BIOS with compatibility limits for using the newer parts. I.e. 1st + 3rd Gen and 2nd + 3rd Gen.

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11 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

NVMe could move to the x8 interface if it were really a real world issue for consumers and prosumers.

That is not possible in the current desired form factor. The interface would be bigger then the PCB space needed for the chips.

also all current consumer plateforms does not have enough PCIe bandwidth to give 8 PCIe lanes to NVMe drives.

 

Intel has 16 lanes for GPUs and 4 lanes for the chipset

AMD has 16 lanes for GPUs, 4 lanes for NVME M.2 drives, and 4 lanes for the chipset.

 

They we would have another problem of only having enough for 1 drive if we used some of the lanes from the GPU.

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10 hours ago, Okjoek said:

Does anybody know when PCs will begin using DDR5? 

No

And even if, it needs 6-12 Months for it to become mainstream...

 

I'd expect it to be late 2020 with the first products and wider availability 2021...

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2 minutes ago, The Benjamins said:

Intel has 16 lanes for GPUs and 4 lanes for the chipset

AMD has 16 lanes for GPUs, 4 lanes for NVME M.2 drives, and 4 lanes for the chipset.

That is not correct...

Correct would be AMD CPU in AM4 Socket.

AM4 APU have only 16 Lanes in Total.

 

But the CPU has 32 Lanes so far and is only limited by the Socket.

So in theory it is possible to make up a couple of lanes and allow Ryzen CPU more than 4 lanes for NVMe Storage at the cost of USB 3.1 and S-ATA as well as Display Outputs - wich would require some High Speed Switches...

but its not something you'd want!

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9 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

In theory, yes, because of storage that's too small on the motherboard. In practice, what you'll see is a split BIOS with compatibility limits for using the newer parts. I.e. 1st + 3rd Gen and 2nd + 3rd Gen.

you forgot the Bulldozer Parts :)

You can throw them out as well.


Or maybe even the S-ATA RAID BIOS, wich:

a) only Supports no real Raid 0 and 1, not 5.

b) nobody really needs/uses anyway.


Today you're better off using OS RAID Function - wich is supported by Windows and other OS as well.

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6 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

That is not correct...

Correct would be AMD CPU in AM4 Socket.

AM4 APU have only 16 Lanes in Total.

 

But the CPU has 32 Lanes so far and is only limited by the Socket.

So in theory it is possible to make up a couple of lanes and allow Ryzen CPU more than 4 lanes for NVMe Storage at the cost of USB 3.1 and S-ATA as well as Display Outputs - wich would require some High Speed Switches...

but its not something you'd want!

you missed the point, if we stayed at PCIe gen3 we would need more lanes for the bandwidth demands.

 

Going to Gen4 would help a lot for things other then GPUs.

 

If the chipset is connected by x4 gen4 there would be 2x the bandwidth for more M.2 drives, higher speed NICs, more Sata ports, more high speed USB.

 

1 USB 3.2 gen2x2 port would take up to 1/2 of the chipsets bandwidth.

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18 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

In theory, yes, because of storage that's too small on the motherboard. In practice, what you'll see is a split BIOS with compatibility limits for using the newer parts. I.e. 1st + 3rd Gen and 2nd + 3rd Gen.

Ah OK, that makes sense to me.  I am currently on a R5-1600 with an ASUS TUF B350M so I have reached out to Asus, to see what they say will happen!

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2 minutes ago, Bearded_Ed said:

Ah OK, that makes sense to me.  I am currently on a R5-1600 with an ASUS TUF B350M so I have reached out to Asus, to see what they say will happen!

There has been dropped compatibility in later BIOSes before. We've got no official word, to my knowledge, so it's good to reach out to ASUS. 3rd gen might be the last one that works, however, as we don't know how long the motherboard makers will keep doing updates. Or they'll be pretty slow. Seeing how people upgrading is going to a fairly small chunk of the market. 

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1 minute ago, Taf the Ghost said:

There has been dropped compatibility in later BIOSes before. We've got no official word, to my knowledge, so it's good to reach out to ASUS. 3rd gen might be the last one that works, however, as we don't know how long the motherboard makers will keep doing updates. Or they'll be pretty slow. Seeing how people upgrading is going to a fairly small chunk of the market. 

Yeah I still don't know if I will upgrade. But I can definitely make use of some extra cores if I had them... 

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34 minutes ago, The Benjamins said:

also all current consumer plateforms does not have enough PCIe bandwidth to give 8 PCIe lanes to NVMe drives.

 

Intel has 16 lanes for GPUs and 4 lanes for the chipset

AMD has 16 lanes for GPUs, 4 lanes for NVME M.2 drives, and 4 lanes for the chipset.

1 GPU only requires 8 lanes. Enough to give an NVMe drive 8 directly to the chipset.

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3 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

1 GPU only requires 8 lanes. Enough to give an NVMe drive 8 directly to the chipset.

1 GPU + 2/3 NVME drives (intel/amd) + 10Gb NIC + 1 USB 3.2 gen2x2 + 2 USB 3.2 gen2 would over saturate the CPU, and that is not even everything connected, we still need Sata, more USB, audio, Wifi, ect.

 

Its time for a upgrade.

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9 minutes ago, The Benjamins said:

1 GPU + 2/3 NVME drives (intel/amd) + 10Gb NIC + 1 USB 3.2 gen2x2 + 2 USB 3.2 gen2 would over saturate the CPU, and that is not even everything connected, we still need Sata, more USB, audio, Wifi, ect.

 

Its time for a upgrade.

The NIC, SATA, USB are tied to the chipset, because they don't need the have constant bandwidth.

 

The "It's time for an upgrade" is not true for the vast majority of consumers. They're not running enough devices hard enough to justify urgency in moving to PCIe 4.0 or adding more lanes to a CPU.

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21 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

The NIC, SATA, USB are tied to the chipset, because they don't need the have constant bandwidth.

 

The "It's time for an upgrade" is not true for the vast majority of consumers. They're not running enough devices hard enough to justify urgency in moving to PCIe 4.0 or adding more lanes to a CPU.

ok, but why not go to gen4, AMD is ready for it.

I don't understand why we should hold back progression of tech "because its not needed"

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2 minutes ago, The Benjamins said:

but why not go to gen4, AMD is ready for it.

There is no reason not to, but on the other hand there is no reason to rush into it.

 

2 minutes ago, The Benjamins said:

I don't understand why we should hold back progression of tech "because its not needed"

We're not holding back progress, we're just not forcing it unnecessarily.

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1 minute ago, Drak3 said:

There is no reason not to, but on the other hand there is no reason to rush into it.

 

We're not holding back progress, we're just not forcing it unnecessarily.

if AMD is ready, how is it forcing? Its not like PCIe gen4 is not forwards and backwards compatible.

 

some users would appreciate the upgrade.

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3 minutes ago, The Benjamins said:

if AMD is ready, how is it forcing?

Whose to say AMD is actually ready and not just forcing it in to meet a deadline.

 

4 minutes ago, The Benjamins said:

Its not like PCIe gen4 is not forwards and backwards compatible

There can be issues with the traces or CPU side issues.

 

4 minutes ago, The Benjamins said:

some users would appreciate the upgrade.

Some, not many.

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1 minute ago, Drak3 said:

Whose to say AMD is actually ready and not just forcing it in to meet a deadline.

 

There can be issues with the traces or CPU side issues.

 

Some, not many.

Well its needed for the server side.

 

Motherboard manufactures seem to already have working nearly finished motherboards.

 

what is the big deal with PCIe gen4 coming?

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15 hours ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

Personally, I wanna know why we're moving boards to PCIe Gen4 while a GPU will usually fail to saturate Gen3 x16 xD

Because the Increase in Bandwith left and right demands it for the Servers and thus its also something bring to the Desktop...

 

GPU might not benefit much (yet), but it might be an advantage for something like "HBCC"; wich AMD has with HBM Cards, that allows it to use System Memory as VRAM...

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4 hours ago, Drak3 said:

Whose to say AMD is actually ready and not just forcing it in to meet a deadline.

Radeon 7 is already a PCIe 4.0 Card that's available for almost 2 Months but no PCIe 4.0 compatible system in sight...

4 hours ago, Drak3 said:

There can be issues with the traces or CPU side issues.

No 

Because teh CPU has no PCIe Interface, that's the I/O Die...


And there the big I/O Part, wiich also has PCIe 4.0 inside, runs for like 6 Months or so. There are some really early samples of Rome going around.

So no, that's not very likely either.

 

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