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Should i go amd or i7 9700k

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Posted · Original PosterOP
12 hours ago, Ankerson said:

 

The CPU's last just as long, or will outlast the rest of the system normally.

 

What is it that you want to do, gaming?

 

What games and screen resolution?

 

What Graphics card are you thinking about?

 

Just as good as Intel is debatable, at gaming no they are not, at some productivity apps that are ported for AMD, yes.

 

At 4K they are close, but at 1080P and 1440P Intel is better except for very few games that are ported for AMD.

 

 

 

 

I would be doing 1080 and maybe higher from time to time also would like to stream to twitch and edit video for youtube 

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3 minutes ago, Hopes11 said:

I would be doing 1080 and maybe higher from time to time also would like to stream to twitch and edit video for youtube 

 

What graphics card are you planning to use?


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15 minutes ago, Ankerson said:

 

Even at 1440P you still need to pair the CPU with the 2080Ti or there will be bottlenecks, it is that powerful.

 

The high end CPU's from AMD and Intel.

 

You mean enthusiast grade, like threadripper or the i9?

 

Well again yes it makes sense to pair a threadripper or i9 9900K with the 2080Ti

But there is no harm in pairing A 2700X or 17 9700K with it either.

Heck could probably pair a R5 2600 or a i5 9500K and be okay, though that would be the limit.

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11 hours ago, TempestCatto said:

The only reason I'd say choose AMD over Intel right now is because of Ryzen 3000 this year. You have an actual upgrade path (as long as you have the right motherboard). Intel is better than AMD for gaming really, but when you take into account the upgrade path you get with AMD, it almost doesn't make much sense to go team blue (at least not right now). Your friend confuses me. They really mustn't be your friend if they're trying to get you to spend more money when you could just as well build a comparable and capable team red machine. Ultimately you spend your money on what you want. But you may consider a new friend if they really think cpu's have a life span (I mean anything really does, but there's plenty of computers from the early days that work just fine. Plus there are AMD systems like mine on my profile. Bet that one will blow their Mack Weldon's off).

You got a really good point 

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3 minutes ago, MadmanRB said:

 

You mean enthusiast grade, like threadripper or the i9?

 

Well again yes it makes sense to pair a threadripper or i9 9900K with the 2080Ti

But there is no harm in pairing A 2700X or 17 9700K with it either.

 

No, the Threadripper is terrible at gaming, waste of money for a gaming PC.

 

I was talking about the 2700X, 8700K, 9700K, 9900K.


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1 minute ago, Ankerson said:

 

No, the Threadripper is terrible at gaming.

 

I was talking about the 2700X, 8700K, 9700K, 9900K.

Well yeah threadripper isnt the best at gaming but if you wanted to do it there is nothing stopping you.

Though those are better at workstations than gaming.

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1 hour ago, Ankerson said:

Google is your friend.

 

Don't have to look very hard.

I have google this for like a month and amd looks like the way to go for the cheaper pc build motherboard are cheap it come with a cooler that was the way i was going to go 

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3 minutes ago, Hopes11 said:

I have google this for like a month and amd looks like the way to go for the cheaper pc build motherboard are cheap it come with a cooler that was the way i was going to go 

 

Interesting logic....


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1 hour ago, trevb0t said:

The general consensus I've seen is that AMD doesn't deliver quite as well at single core performance, which is what MOST games operate on. It does however excel in multi core performance, which is what you'll be utilizing when you run software in the background to record and stream game footage, operate your cameras/mics etc.

 

There are fine Intel options for these tasks, but they cost an arm and a leg, where a Ryzen 5 2600 (6 cores, 12 threads, 3.4ghz, overclockable.) only costs $165ish currently, comes with a copy of The Division 2 ($60 value, and it's fun) can pull off the same task for less than half the price. The 2700X will be even more proficient with 2 extra cores, 4 extra threads, and base clock of 3.7ghz.

 

The longevity stigma with AMD has long since been disproved. For old generation stuff, that may have had a good basis, but at the value for performance here you are gonna be plenty happy with a Ryzen.

Sounds like I'm going amd then 

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14 hours ago, Ankerson said:

 

 

In reality the difference is normally like having the next level up graphics card, especially at 1080P.

 

That can be rather large.

 

Also at 1080P the 2700X will bottleneck the RTX 2080, GTX 1080Ti and above.

 

The difference is rather large as you can see in the video you posted.

 

We don't know what the OP is planning build wise, what games they will be playing or at what resolution and or the GPU he is planning on getting.

 

 

I was going to with a 1080 or a 1070 i have a asus gtx 1080 in my current pc but i may get the same one again 

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6 hours ago, Hopes11 said:

I want to be able to stream my games to twitch

And do my 1080 and maybe higher then that from time to time 

What monitor are you getting? You need to decide on a native resolution. A game looks like crap if you run it at anything else.

 

Also, streaming at 1080p is pretty high for an average person. Depending on your ISP you may not have the bandwidth for that.


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4 hours ago, TempestCatto said:

IIRC AMD has been known to have shit tier products at launch, but over time they become very comparable and end up being just as good as Intel's offerings of the times because AMD works to revise and correct all the shit they get wrong. They become a better value over time as you see performance gains as they push out updates. 

No, not really.

That is partly true with AMD video cards, as they do tend to age very nicely with driver updates, but CPUs? FXs were trash when released, still trash today


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Just saying I would go with the Ryzen 7 2700 as it is a decent amount cheaper and will get you the same or better if you overclock

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Just now, Quadriplegic said:

No, not really.

That is partly true with AMD video cards, as they do tend to age very nicely with driver updates, but CPUs? FXs were trash when released, still trash today

I won't deny that they are trash, but I can still play GTA V at mid-high settings at 1080p 60. So it ain't all horrid.

 

3 hours ago, Hopes11 said:

Sounds like I'm going amd then 

I'll be curious as to your friend's response to this, as well as your parts choice.

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53 minutes ago, TempestCatto said:

I won't deny that they are trash, but I can still play GTA V at mid-high settings at 1080p 60. So it ain't all horrid.

 

I'll be curious as to your friend's response to this, as well as your parts choice.

Im not sure what ill put in it but i do know i want a 1070 or 1080 gpu and maybe a asus or asrock motherboard idk yet 

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2 hours ago, Hopes11 said:

Im not sure what ill put in it but i do know i want a 1070 or 1080 gpu and maybe a asus or asrock motherboard idk yet 

A Ryzen 2700X won't bottleneck either GPU except in highly single-threaded games like CS:GO or WoW.

 

You begin to run into minor bottlenecking if you pair the 2700X with something like a 2080 or better, especially at 1080p.  

 

As the current owner of a 9700K, if you want to stream and not use NVENC, I recommend the 2700X full stop unless you can afford the 9900K. The extra threads really help when using a software codec like x264, which I highly recommend as you can use a lower bitrate while still keeping a good quality stream. NVENC requires very high bitrates to maintain a good quality stream, unless you have a 16 or 20-series card which have vastly improved NVENC encoding quality.

 

As for motherboard choices, either ASUS or ASRock will serve you well. Pick whichever board has the features you want at a decent price. I recommend an X470 board over B450 though if going with the 2700X. 


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Physically, AMD chips won't last any more or less than Intel parts (both will outlast their usefulness unless you abuse them).

 

Effectively, when comparing equal core count chips, the Intel parts might 'last' longer, in that their effective lifespan of usefulness is longer, because at their limits there is as much as a 25-35% difference in synthetic performance from 1st gen Ryzen to Coffeelake. (Example, Ryzen 5 1600x @ 4ghz vs i7-8700k @ 5ghz, both commonly achievable overclocks).

 

The performance differences might not mean as much with current gen GPUs, but in 4 or 5 years the difference will be noticeable. 

 

Whether the increased cost is worth it to you is another question.

 

 

 


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10 hours ago, Hopes11 said:

That why i wanted to go with amd

Depends a lot on what you want to do, e-sports? diverse gaming and many of the latest AAA games ? emulation? targeted FPS ? Without such info we can't help properly.

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18 hours ago, Phentos said:

A Ryzen 2700X won't bottleneck either GPU except in highly single-threaded games like CS:GO or WoW.

 

You begin to run into minor bottlenecking if you pair the 2700X with something like a 2080 or better, especially at 1080p.  

 

As the current owner of a 9700K, if you want to stream and not use NVENC, I recommend the 2700X full stop unless you can afford the 9900K. The extra threads really help when using a software codec like x264, which I highly recommend as you can use a lower bitrate while still keeping a good quality stream. NVENC requires very high bitrates to maintain a good quality stream, unless you have a 16 or 20-series card which have vastly improved NVENC encoding quality.

 

As for motherboard choices, either ASUS or ASRock will serve you well. Pick whichever board has the features you want at a decent price. I recommend an X470 board over B450 though if going with the 2700X. 

Thanks ill keep this in mine when i pick my parts but if i did go 9700k or 9900k what motherboard would you recommend 

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16 hours ago, _StrikE_ said:

Depends a lot on what you want to do, e-sports? diverse gaming and many of the latest AAA games ? emulation? targeted FPS ? Without such info we can't help properly.

I would be play games like fps and puzzles games and similar to splinter cell game if that help  

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On 3/23/2019 at 3:57 AM, Hopes11 said:

I wanted to go amd ryzen 7 2700x but one of my buddy told me to go intel cpu becueas amd cpu don't last long and are just bad all around i looked around youtube amd saw that the amd is just as good as intel and amd is cheaper so help plz thanks 

a) that's bullshit/FUD. BOth CPU last long enough, if you don't abuse them. Hell you could also argue that AMD CPUs last longer because they don't get as hot if you use a good Heatsink because of better interface between CPU and Lid.

b) yeah, for the Same Price, AMD is very competitive.

 


And another thing, it might be that in 4-6 Weeks the new Zen2 aka Ryzen 3000 series comes around, wich offer better performance/efficiency....


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