Epic Games announces a slew of more EGS exclusives, including The Outer Worlds and Heavy Rain

[D13H4RD]

1 minute ago, Blademaster91 said:

I'd like to see some proof that Steam harvests your data.

They sorta do regarding your system specs (CPU, GPU, OS, etc.) for their hardware survey, but they do ask you upfront and center before they do so.

[Rohith_Kumar_Sp]

[Giganthrax]

 

Yeah, Epic are still a-holes, but bringing Playstation exclusives to PC like this? I'm honestly surprised.

 

Now all they need to do is bring Bloodborne and God of War 4 over. I'm still not going to buy from their store, but I guess they'll have my eternal gratitude. 

 

 

[S w a t s o n]

https://indiannoob.in/obsidian-entertainment-was-adding-steam-achievements-to-the-outer-worlds-hours-prior-to-making-the-move-to-epic/

 

YIKES

[Redrooster]

the epic play store is such a shite store, and its full of spyware.

[Redrooster]

It's a shame too, I was rather looking forward to that outer worlds game...

[DesolationGod]

ffs looks like i wont be playing outer worlds any time soon....

[Redrooster]

Just now, DesolationGod said:

ffs looks like i wont be playing outer worlds any time soon....

I'll buy it in 12 months. I honestly think that was the most braindead move by obsidian. I get that they got some Fortnite bucks, but at what cost in the long run?

[Semper]

I'd be more than content to support Epic and their store if they weren't diggin' in so hard for the exclusives.

That's the practice I won't support. I'm more than fine with someone competing with Steam, not shutting anyone out.

The only thing this is encouraging me to do is purchase the games at a discounted price a year* later.
I've encouraged countless people to purchase the first Metro games, so many people had no clue what the first one was, were completely blown away by how good of a game it was, and jumped all over Last Light. I had every intention to purchase Exodus, looked forward to it for well over a year. I haven't found a compelling argument yet that can convince me to purchase it through Epic.

^{* or however long a timed exclusive might be.}

[D13H4RD]

1 hour ago, Giganthrax said:

Yeah, Epic are still a-holes, but bringing Playstation exclusives to PC like this? I'm honestly surprised.

 

Now all they need to do is bring Bloodborne and God of War 4 over. I'm still not going to buy from their store, but I guess they'll have my eternal gratitude. 

Main problem is when a game that was announced as coming to other platforms is then suddenly announced as a year-long Epic Games Store exclusive. 

 

If it was announced as such from the get-go, there'll still be some teeth-gnashing but likely not a full blown outrage for a long while. 

[DesolationGod]

19 minutes ago, Semper said:

I'd be more than content to support Epic and their store if they weren't diggin' in so hard for the exclusives.

That's the practice I won't support. I'm more than fine with someone competing with Steam, not shutting anyone out.

The only thing this is encouraging me to do is purchase the games at a discounted price a year* later.
I've encouraged countless people to purchase the first Metro games, so many people had no clue what the first one was, were completely blown away by how good of a game it was, and jumped all over Last Light. I had every intention to purchase Exodus, looked forward to it for well over a year. I haven't found a compelling argument yet that can convince me to purchase it through Epic.

^{* or however long a timed exclusive might be.}

this is exactly my thought on the matter, i got no problem buying from blizzard or origin or valve... why? because they arent out there buying exclusivity from games that are advertised to launch on steam or other platforms. People can sit here and say epics cut is better but if devs turn around and then offer the game at a lower price, no the cut makes no difference at that point, devs basically just admit they have little problem with valves cut.

[Giganthrax]

1 hour ago, D13H4RD said:

Main problem is when a game that was announced as coming to other platforms is then suddenly announced as a year-long Epic Games Store exclusive. 

 

If it was announced as such from the get-go, there'll still be some teeth-gnashing but likely not a full blown outrage for a long while. 

Epic's business practices are reprehensible and anti-consumer, no question about it. 

 

But if they're willing to throw around so much money that even Sony will shrug and let Epic take a PS4 exclusive or two, I'm all for it.

 

Hell, if they brought over something like Bloodborne, I'd even buy it from their store for the multiplayer. They'd still be aholes, but they'd deserve some $$$ for sparing me the inconvenience of having to borrow a PS4 from a friend. 

[mr moose]

5 hours ago, Delicieuxz said:

Wow. You've blown me away with how dense and foolish you are. It must be tough to not be able to make sense of anything going on around you due to having such a tenuous grasp on language and thinking.

 

People haven't given you excuses - consult a dictionary if you require clarification on that point.

 

Your "BUT MUH" rhetoric makes you out to be an imbecile.

 

No one mentioned a "dismissal of features", so who knows what you're talking about there and why you put it in quotations when it isn't a quote.

 

And you haven't brought up any points, so there haven't been any to avoid. You've just called everyone else's points "excuses" - which they're not.

 

Are you done ranting like a petulant child who doesn't know what they're trying to say and just wants attention? People have made efforts to be reasonable with you despite your attacks and ridiculous assertions, but you clearly are beneath such overtures.

Whilst I am sure you and I hardly ever agree on anything, I am certain we agree here.  Over the last few weeks this forum member has done nothing but post arguments and combative accusations knowing full well they are pointless and lead to no demonstrably constructive outcome.

[D13H4RD]

13 minutes ago, Giganthrax said:

Epic's business practices are reprehensible and anti-consumer, no question about it. 

 

But if they're willing to throw around so much money that even Sony will shrug and let Epic take a PS4 exclusive or two, I'm all for it.

 

Hell, if they brought over something like Bloodborne, I'd even buy it from their store for the multiplayer. They'd still be aholes, but they'd deserve some $$$ for sparing me the inconvenience of having to borrow a PS4 from a friend. 

Honestly, I'd still be annoyed but not mad. 

 

So as long as it's from the get-go. Plus, it's not really losing unlike Metro and The Outer Worlds. 

[Kinda Bottlenecked]

Oh wow Detroit...

 

Im in. That is if I'll have the time to play it.

[THraShArD]

This company sucks and now they have a bunch of Millennials working in the company that will really drag them 6 feet under.

 

No Unreal Tournament ?   With this Google game cloud service thingy, It looks like classing games like UT and Quake are dead and no community custom maps made by fans.

[EldritchMoose]

My problem isn't with the game client itself or even the fact that Steam has competition (hell, it's about time that happened). My problem is that Epic is weaponising capitalism in order to create a temporary monopoly, setting a precedent for even shittier business practices down the line.

 

Ostensibly, the great thing about capitalism is that it allows us to "vote with our wallets" and choose to take our business elsewhere. Epic is literally robbing people of that chance by muscling in with their exclusivity deals. It has soured what was an exciting announcement a couple months ago.

 

Call me an old man, but I like being able to revisit an old game decades after I bought it. Buying through digital storefronts has already proven to be a problem several times in the past, with both Activision Blizzard and Ubisoft delivering games that could not be played as a direct result of their consumer-unfriendly DRM practices. What happens to a game that I buy now through a (non-GOG) digital storefront after the owner decides to pull the plug on the verification server?

 

Epic has already stated that they don't care about anything other than their bottom line, so what's to stop them from turning around and turning off the servers for one of these games if they feel they've sold enough copies? I know this is blatant hyperbole and a massive slippery slope argument, but I don't trust Epic enough for them to not consider this. This is not to say that Steam can do no wrong, but at least their business model has never been "if you don't go through us, you're SOL."

 

Healthy competition is a good thing. Steam is in a position where it can languish due to a lack of healthy competition, particularly when it comes to smaller publishers. What Epic is doing isn't fixing the problem of competition, but rather shifting it. Ideally we'd find a middle  ground between having one main storefront (Steam) and every publisher forcing their own platform down our throats (Battle.net, Origin, Uplay, etc.).

[Delicieuxz]

@EldritchMoose Excellent comments!

 

8 hours ago, EldritchMoose said:

My problem isn't with the game client itself or even the fact that Steam has competition (hell, it's about time that happened). My problem is that Epic is weaponising capitalism in order to create a temporary monopoly, setting a precedent for even shittier business practices down the line.

 

Ostensibly, the great thing about capitalism is that it allows us to "vote with our wallets" and choose to take our business elsewhere. Epic is literally robbing people of that chance by muscling in with their exclusivity deals. It has soured what was an exciting announcement a couple months ago.

Engaging in long-term unhealthy practices that often leave an industry or business worse off for the sake of short-term selfish gain is a basic common trait of psychopathic CEOs.

 

Right now Epic are destroying a lot of consumer goodwill that Valve and other platform hosts took a long time to build, and are creating a new tidal wave of pro-piracy sentiment along with resentment towards sell-out developers and EGS. By doing this, Epic are creating a psychological wall between developers and their communities.

 

 

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Call me an old man, but I like being able to revisit an old game decades after I bought it. Buying through digital storefronts has already proven to be a problem several times in the past, with both Activision Blizzard and Ubisoft delivering games that could not be played as a direct result of their consumer-unfriendly DRM practices. What happens to a game that I buy now through a (non-GOG) digital storefront after the owner decides to pull the plug on the verification server?

 

Epic has already stated that they don't care about anything other than their bottom line, so what's to stop them from turning around and turning off the servers for one of these games if they feel they've sold enough copies? I know this is blatant hyperbole and a massive slippery slope argument, but I don't trust Epic enough for them to not consider this. This is not to say that Steam can do no wrong, but at least their business model has never been "if you don't go through us, you're SOL."

This has also been a central concern of mine. I don't buy games from places I think there is a danger that they won't be accessible to me in 2 decades time. I own my games, and I want them to always be available to me - even 50 years later (and hopefully by that time there is a free old game archive that everyone can access any really old game from).

 

Because Epic has shown that that they care about consumer experience and what the consumer thinks, there is no reason to be trusting Epic with my games over the long term, and it would even be foolish of me to do so in light of what I've seen of Epic's interests and approach.

 

So, even while I might really want to play a game that's exclusive to EGS, I won't pay for it there because there's a good chance I'd be just losing my money and giving it to a company that is going to effectively steal my game from me at some point in the future. Buying from EGS isn't a wise choice regarding posterity of access to my games - which is a primary consideration of mine when purchasing games.

 

So, I'll just play a game I'm interested in on EGS some other way, and if the game appears on a trust-worthy platform in the future, I might buy it from that platform when it does.

 

If Epic set the conditions where gambling involved in purchasing a game, then the responsibility for that gamble rightfully rests on Epic Games and they have no right to impose the burden of that gamble on the customer. Therefore, pirating EGS games to address and solve the critical issue of the purchase gamble that Epic Games have wrongfully created is a reasonable and justified decision, IMO.

 

 

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Healthy competition is a good thing. Steam is in a position where it can languish due to a lack of healthy competition, particularly when it comes to smaller publishers. What Epic is doing isn't fixing the problem of competition, but rather shifting it. Ideally we'd find a middle  ground between having one main storefront (Steam) and every publisher forcing their own platform down our throats (Battle.net, Origin, Uplay, etc.).

Yup. Epic are worsening things, not making them better.

[WereCatf]

14 hours ago, Giganthrax said:

Now all they need to do is bring Bloodborne and God of War 4 over.

I've been wanting to play the latest God of War ever since it was released. Would be great to see it on PC, indeed.

[Giganthrax]

On 3/22/2019 at 6:57 PM, WereCatf said:

I've been wanting to play the latest God of War ever since it was released. Would be great to see it on PC, indeed.

Probably won't happen, though. God of War is Sony's cash cow franchise. 

 

Then again, who knows what fortnite money can do? We may be surprised. 

[Eaglerino]

2 hours ago, Giganthrax said:

Probably won't happen, though. God of War is Sony's cash cow franchise. 

 

Then again, who knows what fortnite money can do? We may be surprised. 

I'd hardly call it a cash cow since it was 8 years between the last "real" God of War game (God of War 3) and the series reboot. But it won't ever come to PC, there's no reason for Sony to move a console exclusive like God of War to PC

[RejZoR]

I was interested until I read it's gonna be a fucking Epic store exclusive again. How quickly companies can turn you from their biggest fan into biggest hater. I used to love anything Unreal, from engine to games and now I go into full rage mode every time I hear anything about stupid garbage Epic.

 

And what's even worse, these games have gone from being console (PS4) exclusives to being exclusive on one specific (garbage) PC platform. Fucking hell. Epic needs to fucking die coz it's a god damn pure distilled cancer.

[jagdtigger]

On 3/21/2019 at 11:26 PM, Hellion said:

Steam is only marginally less terrible

Thats BS and you know it. EGS is so bare-bones that it looks more like a half assed beginners github program than a program from a big professional studio...

[Jito463]

On 3/21/2019 at 5:26 PM, Hellion said:

Steam is only marginally less terrible and it's about time valve is knocked off the pedestal modern day gamers place it on.

Ignoring your hyperbole about Steam and EGS, does the same apply to GoG?  Do they deserve to be locked out of the market so that EGS can succeed?

On 3/21/2019 at 7:19 PM, Hellion said:

All that typing without mentioning that steam is a DRM client

Point of correction, but Steam itself is not DRM.  There is a DRM component that Valve provides for Steam distributed games, but it is optional on the part of the developer/publisher.  The closest you could come to saying Steam is DRM, is that you must use it for the initial download and launch of the game.  Afterwards - unless the game incorporated Steam DRM - you can play the game without Steam running or even installed (and there's a laundry list of games on Steam which are DRM free - not sure how up to date that link is, though).

[ARikozuM]

1 minute ago, valdyrgramr said:

I wonder if Epic takes less than steam.  Last I heard Valve takes 30-40 percent of the purchase for themselves.

Valve takes 30% unless you start selling enough that you’re in the higher brackets. Epic takes 18% (more in some regions and if you’re using some forms of payment). Epic is also giving cash for a year’s exclusivity. We can say this is “funding” for a project, but Valve has funded projects without requiring this stipulation. 

1 minute ago, valdyrgramr said:

 If other platforms are taking less off the sale while giving more to the developer and the publisher than I can see why they wouldn't wanna publish the game on steam. 

They would still publish on Steam. There’s no reason to not publish on Steam

 

1 minute ago, valdyrgramr said:

Also, it is funny that people cry over exclusives, but at the same time, they kinda want it exclusive to steam.  XD

Games aren’t usually exclusive to Steam though. Most first-party games are only on their platforms, but second-party/third-party and independent games are usually on a whole slew of platforms. They have a choice and neither Steam nor itch.io bar you from selling on competitors’ platforms.