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Oculus Rift S

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https://techcrunch.com/2019/03/20/the-oculus-rift-s-is-indeed-real-and-arrives-in-spring-for-399/

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2019/03/hands-on-with-the-new-399-oculus-rift-s-more-pixels-zero-cameras-better-fit/

https://www.oculus.com/rift-s/

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After years of high-profile onstage announcements, Oculus has decided to quietly deliver the successor to its flagship Rift virtual reality headset, confirming most bits of our October report with the release of the new Oculus Rift S.

As we first reported, the biggest improvements to the Oculus Rift S are a move to the company’s inside-out “Insight” camera tracking system and modest updates to the display resolution. The biggest surprise is that this headset is being built in partnership with Lenovo and the Rift S seems to have strongly inherited Lenovo’s design ethos for its VR products, for better or worse…

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Here’s what’s different:

  • Small resolution increase from (1080 x 1200) to (1280 x 1440), improved lenses
  • Frame rate is dropping from 90hz to 80hz
  • Switched from OLED to the LCD panels used on Oculus Go
  • 5 onboard cameras for inside-out camera tracking
  • Ships with updated Oculus Touch controllers, same as what ships with Quest
  • Loses the on-ear headphones for cheaper-sounding near-ear speakers similar to Oculus Go
  • Ditches the flexible strap for a rigid “halo” design like the PlayStation VR headset
  • FoV is “slightly larger” on the Rift S compared to the Rift, Oculus tells us
  • No manual adjustment of distance between your eyes (IPD)
  • PC spec requirements are largely the same, though you may need a faster CPU we are told
  • More expensive than the last generation at $399 versus $349
  • Launching in spring 2019

I think the small bump in resolution is a disappointment seeing that the HP Reverb (WMR) is 2160x2160 per eye. The refresh rate drop is not desired but not a big deal. The new 5 camera inside out tracking is the good IMO, I think its the way forward for VR. The slight FOV improvement is always good. The $399 price is a great spot in the market.

 

 

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So, lower framerate, marginal resolution increase, less adjustment, more expensive, and. Uh.. cameras ?

 

The vive had that at launch..


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You need every Hz possible with a screen that close. What a shame. I would take 200Hz and lower res then higher res and lower refresh rate. It's not the resolution that makes you sick and eye strain it's the blur. Also the Vive pulled off a higher resolution and refresh rate, at a higher price, but still feels like a side step. Also the strap, headphones, and OLED to LCD are just not really ideal. Sure they are trying to make it cheaper but it's basically a downgrade 


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1 minute ago, givingtnt said:

Slightly significant resolution increase, more expensive, and better headstrap

 

The vive had that at launch..

There I fixed it lol. No but seeing the Oculus didn't work at all when Facebook went down is also another factor to consider


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5 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

There I fixed it lol. No but seeing the Oculus didn't work at all when Facebook went down is also another factor to consider

They are owned by Facebook their services are linked, what could you possibly expect


Increasing the density by 1.185x won't do much.
Switching from oled to lcd is shooting yourself in the foot.


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I'd like to see at least one of the following in any successor product:

 

1, significantly more performance at comparable cost
2, comparable performance at significantly lower cost
3, something new that adds real value

 

This doesn't seem to be any of these things. Well, there is a minor benefit if I'm reading it right, in that you don't need the external cameras for tracking any more, simplifying setup a little bit. I don't think that is enough to sway anyone on the fence.


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12 minutes ago, givingtnt said:

They are owned by Facebook their services are linked, what could you possibly expect


Increasing the density by 1.185x won't do much.
Switching from oled to lcd is shooting yourself in the foot.

Yeah I wouldn't want to give Facebook any money


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6 minutes ago, porina said:

I'd like to see at least one of the following in any successor product:

 

1, significantly more performance at comparable cost
2, comparable performance at significantly lower cost
3, something new that adds real value

 

This doesn't seem to be any of these things. Well, there is a minor benefit if I'm reading it right, in that you don't need the external cameras for tracking any more, simplifying setup a little bit. I don't think that is enough to sway anyone on the fence.

You do if you want to track your hands at all. Current windows mixed reality uses tracking like this and if your arm goes in front of the controller you loose tracking or if you hand goes behind your back or head you loose tracking. So when you reach at your side to say unholster a gun it can get sketchy. It's pretty terrible compared to the lighthouses for the vive and oculus setup


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is this intended to be "the" new product or a more budget friendly model with something bigger coming later? almost seems like the latter.


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17 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

You do if you want to track your hands at all. Current windows mixed reality uses tracking like this and if your arm goes in front of the controller you loose tracking or if you hand goes behind your back or head you loose tracking. So when you reach at your side to say unholster a gun it can get sketchy. It's pretty terrible compared to the lighthouses for the vive and oculus setup

So does this new one still come with a fixed camera or not?

 

Actually, that's something else I wondered about. On PSVR while the camera can track position fairly well, it wasn't so great at direction, and tended to drift and need re-centering. Is that a thing on the original Rift too? At least on the Vive this is never a problem and the absolute position tracking is great.


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2 minutes ago, porina said:

So does this new one still come with a fixed camera or not?

 

Actually, that's something else I wondered about. On PSVR while the camera can track position fairly well, it wasn't so great at direction, and tended to drift and need re-centering. Is that a thing on the original Rift too? At least on the Vive this is never a problem and the absolute position tracking is great.

I’m not sure if it comes with a camera or not. The ordinal rift was great but you had to buy another camera to get 3 and ideally 4. While the vive used only 2 lighthouses diagonally 


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59 minutes ago, givingtnt said:

So, lower framerate, marginal resolution increase, less adjustment, more expensive, and. Uh.. cameras ?

 

The vive had that at launch..

The cameras are for the inside out tracking, its more then the Vive Cosmos (afaik) which is good for good tracking. but that does not off set the other disappointments

 

The HP Reverb is more of a impressive improvement then this, sadly the HP didn't have any tracking improvements. I think that is following the WMR specs fault, maybe when Microsoft updates that we can see a better tracking WMR headset.

 

8 minutes ago, Trixanity said:

One thing to note regarding the resolution is that the switch from OLED to LCD means a higher effective resolution because it's no longer pentile. In other words: a lot more sub-pixels.

Ya but the vive is 1440x1440 already and the HP Reverb is 2160x2160 both are LCD.


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2 hours ago, givingtnt said:

 

 

The vive had that at launch..

Well, the stock strap/only option at launch for vive is terrible.


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@The Benjamins

I was only speaking of in comparison to its predecessor, not its competitors.

 

However it seems they're not trying to push boundaries anymore. They're cheaping out on it. Upper management is probably not interested in sinking in more money in a seemingly stagnant market.

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43 minutes ago, Trixanity said:

However it seems they're not trying to push boundaries anymore. They're cheaping out on it. Upper management is probably not interested in sinking in more money in a seemingly stagnant market.

Wouldn't call the market stagnant, just growing very slowly.


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Seems like more or less a slight upgrade from last model. Nothing worth getting or upgrading to.


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Did they bother testing this with people that have tried VR? This is a downgraded headset upgraded controllers combo at best.

 

Good luck. Won't be selling any of these if its up to me.


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7 minutes ago, Tedny said:

still not 4k... maybe with next gen 

 

This one is 2160x2160 per eye


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Kind of +-0 upgrade if you own Rift. Poorer audio, hand tracking is iffy (if they have gravity sensors and accelerometers inside the controller to handle most of the tracking and cameras only to check, then that is probably completely fine, total camera based tracking for hands is total disaster), better resolution with better FOV but with lower refresh rate and LCD panels is very much +-0, headstrap is very subjective case so that depends on the buyer wheter it's better or worse, IPD adjustment missing is very big minus...

For the price it's really subjective again for a new buyer should they go and buy Rift for cheaper price than this. Personally I would go with the Rift.

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Edit: In short: Digital IPD, not as good as mechanical, but works with the most. 80Hz displays because keeping system requirments the same for developers. No hinge because costs. Hand tracking relies on cameras fully, so clear downgrade. Passthrough from cameras to headset is made, but it will be for now locked from developers. Basicly moneygrab, Oculus Quest could do all the same if it could be connected to a PC at the same price but also have the standalone feature.

 

IMHO, now that those are on the table with the reasons why to do so, I'll pass. This is more or less compromises to hit "user friendliness" of inside-out tracking (no need for room setup), hit the 399$ pricetag and trying to keep developers in. As it's said Oculus Quest is the same price and the main differences are the 5th camera vs. standalone hardware and as the VR community is what it is, I would guess it won't take long before someone hacks the Quest to work thetered with PC and basicly make it Rift S with standalone features.

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5 minutes ago, Tedny said:

is still not full 4k or true 4k per eye 

Well thats crazy, what PC is going to be able to play games at 3840x3840 x2 at 90hz?

 

The HP is a big improvement in resolution


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