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Motherboard Tier List (X570 update)

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Just now, ReggieGRS said:

Yea, x299 is almost 100% out the window as of right now... Depending on how long i'll need to wait for Zen2, i might get a 9900K, incidentally, can a D15 handle it at a 5Ghz OC or do i need a fancy AIO?

D15 should be fine. Though it will still be hot due to the heat bottleneck of the thick 9900k die. (The did of the 9900k is about 50% thicker than the 8700k. Meaning heat moves "slower" towards the cooler.

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OK the price here is kinda questionable at the very best but also good. So between these 3 B450 K4, B450m Steel Legend and B450 Pro 4 which one is better?

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4 minutes ago, Oalei said:

what the frick is a 6 Power Phase Design, no information on anything else

it means it has 6 power chockes

 

it depends on how good the system is and how it runs how much it can deliver


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4 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

it means it has 6 power chockes

 

it depends on how good the system is and how it runs how much it can deliver

ok whats the configuration then? (its steel legend)

well i want to oc my CPU more than anything else

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Just now, Oalei said:

ok whats the configuration then? (its steel legend)

well i want to oc my CPU more than anything else

steel legend is a doubler 4+2 phase, so one chocke per phase.

 

what cpu?


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Just now, LukeSavenije said:

steel legend is a doubler 4+2 phase, so one chocke per phase.

 

what cpu?

5 2400g with another discrete GPU down the road

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17 minutes ago, Oalei said:

5 2400g with another discrete GPU down the road

should do great on a steel legend


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First off all, I'd rather use core and thread count instead of product names. With both sides upping core counts the Ryzen 7 or i5 naming scheme dont really mean much anymore. Also might want to specify architecture since different Zen iterations draw power differently.

 

Second thing is the LN2 tier. Unlike ambient overclocking, LN2 overclocking is more forgiving as the board itself gets frozen. Just because a board can smash world records doesn't mean it's a good board for Blender 24hr. I think you should put these and the workstation class boards into other boards with different colour to show their special status.

 

Third thing is to add more tiers. Some examples include:

Intel: Asus Zxxx Strix get better and better over time. Not good enough in the current list to be a tier higher, but still worth showing.

AMD: MSI Creation is the only board you can confidently overclock the 32 core with (maybe until Gigabyte's rumoured 16 phase come out, but that didn't show up for quite some time). That alone should be enough to be worth its own tier, not sharing with other flagships just because they are also designed (doesnt mean they could) for overclocking the high core count threadrippers.

 

Fourth and last part will be related to individual entries

 

Intel:

Asus Maximus Extreme dont have full LN2 feature set just like the Gene. Shouldn't be considered an LN2 board. If you think it is, then the Gene should be bumped up as well (though I wont keep the LN2 tier myself)

MSI MEG Ace... better than everything in its tier, should be among the gigabyte Z390 Aorus boards

Asrock Phantom 6 is somehow in the AMD part

Asus TUF Sabertooth series should be separated from the TUF Mark.I and II (in Z270) and TUF Gaming. Not enough to be a tier higher since this is a performance oriented list, but still.

Asus Strix-H should be down along with the TUF Gaming and Prime boards

 

AMD:

Asus Zenith Extreme got an update with the release of the 24 and 32 core in the form of a strapped on fan directly from Asus as an accessory. Active and passive cooling are very different so this should be specified.

Asus X470 Prime Pro. Terrible VRM thermals during sustained load, no place for it among the Crosshair 7s and X470-F

Asus X370 Strix (just call it the X370-F, that's the only X370 Strix) has the same VRM as the X470-F only worse heatsink. Still worth bumping up imo.

Asus TUF B450 Pro get big heatsinks, should be bumped up a tier

Asus B450-F and B450-E should be in tier C since they are still 8 4C06B mosfet in 4 phase configuration (B450-E has 8 4C09B high side while B450-F and also the rest of Asus's B chipset boards have 4 4C09B), only with big heatsinks.

Asrock X470 Fatality K4 has the same VRM as the Master SLI, nowhere near as good as the Taichi. What I think you got confused with is the X370 Professional Gaming, or our (communism) Taichi as I call it. That got cut in X470.

 

Edit:

Fifth part: Extra info

 

Steel Legend is the same 4+2 phase no doublers config as the Master SLI is

Didnt do much research on X299, that's why I didnt comment on them


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CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.4?V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

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33 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

First off all, I'd rather use core and thread count instead of product names. With both sides upping core counts the Ryzen 7 or i5 naming scheme dont really mean much anymore. Also might want to specify architecture since different Zen iterations draw power differently.

will look into that... but that'll be a later update

 

33 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Second thing is the LN2 tier. Unlike ambient overclocking, LN2 overclocking is more forgiving as the board itself gets frozen. Just because a board can smash world records doesn't mean it's a good board for Blender 24hr. I think you should put these and the workstation class boards into other boards with different colour to show their special status.

same for that

 

34 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Intel: Asus Zxxx Strix get better and better over time. Not good enough in the current list to be a tier higher, but still worth showing.

hm... interesting... efficiency seems to be lower on them tho

 

35 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Asus Maximus Extreme dont have full LN2 feature set just like the Gene. Shouldn't be considered an LN2 board. If you think it is, then the Gene should be bumped up as well (though I wont keep the LN2 tier myself)

will fix that part

 

35 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

MSI MEG Ace... better than everything in its tier, should be among the gigabyte Z390 Aorus boards

will probably tier that up then

 

35 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Asus X470 Prime Pro. Terrible VRM thermals during sustained load, no place for it among the Crosshair 7s and X470-F

will update

 

36 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Asrock Phantom 6 is somehow in the AMD part

there's a x399 version

 

37 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Asus X370 Strix (just call it the X370-F, that's the only X370 Strix) has the same VRM as the X470-F only worse heatsink. Still worth bumping up imo.

will fix

 

37 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Asus TUF Sabertooth series should be separated from the TUF Mark.I and II (in Z270) and TUF Gaming. 

is there a version newer than am3+?

 

39 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Asus TUF B450 Pro get big heatsinks, should be bumped up a tier

will look into it

 

39 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Asus Strix-H should be down along with the TUF Gaming and Prime boards

will look into that

 

41 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

 Asrock X470 Fatality K4 has the same VRM as the Master SLI

but the master sli has thermal sensor problems, that's why it's tiered down


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17 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

hm... interesting... efficiency seems to be lower on them tho

not catching up to how CPUs draw more power, that's for sure

 

21 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

is there a version newer than am3+?

no tough TUF after that as far as I'm aware for AMD CPUs

 

22 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

but the master sli has thermal sensor problems, that's why it's tiered down

if that's the case I dont think the K4 will be better either. That's what happens for mass production, problems tend to spread.

 

24 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

there's a x399 version

there should be a Phantom 6 entry for Intel then

 

Oh and also Asrock OCF can make it into the list


"What's under the heatsink?" ep1, "Why it's not as good as it seem?" AMD fanboy edition out, episode 2 "Why my gaming board is a scam?" Intel fanboy edition coming soon (this is a link)

Hardware specs below

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.4?V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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7 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

if that's the case I dont think the K4 will be better either. That's what happens for mass production, problems tend to spread.

no reports on the k4, only on the master line in general


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6 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

no reports on the k4, only on the master line in general

really? in that case modding K4's bios to the Master could be a good fix since they are so similar in hardware. I'll see what the chiphell guys suggest.

 


"What's under the heatsink?" ep1, "Why it's not as good as it seem?" AMD fanboy edition out, episode 2 "Why my gaming board is a scam?" Intel fanboy edition coming soon (this is a link)

Hardware specs below

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.4?V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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3 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

really? in that case modding K4's bios to the Master could be a good fix since they are so similar in hardware. I'll see what the chiphell guys suggest.

 

from what I've read it's in the sensors themselves, but I'll be happy to read what you hear there


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Sry for the noob question. But is there a chance to have my b450 tomahawk work on ryzen 3000 ( at least r5, probably r7 is the best)?

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1 minute ago, Hains said:

Sry for the noob question. But is there a chance to have my b450 tomahawk work on ryzen 3000 ( at least r5, probably r7 is the best)?

there is a "temporary* comparability list of msi board that will get the bios update

 

the tomahawk is one of them


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On 4/27/2019 at 8:56 AM, LukeSavenije said:

from what I've read it's in the sensors themselves, but I'll be happy to read what you hear there

apparently no one has the K4 nor Master for the testing, but the two BIOS did look alike in everything that affects their function. If K4 doesnt have reports for no VRM thermal shutdown mechanics, then it's either not discovered or it's a hardware problem


"What's under the heatsink?" ep1, "Why it's not as good as it seem?" AMD fanboy edition out, episode 2 "Why my gaming board is a scam?" Intel fanboy edition coming soon (this is a link)

Hardware specs below

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.4?V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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Is there any VRM performance difference between the B450 Pro 4 and the B450 Fatal1ty?

They appear almost identical in every feature..

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Just now, trevb0t said:

Is there any VRM performance difference between the B450 Pro 4 and the B450 Fatal1ty?

They appear almost identical in every feature..

even the same vrms...


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1 minute ago, LukeSavenije said:

even the same vrms...

Well hey! Side note to the guys who like to suggest AMD builds: The Fatal1ty is currently a bit cheaper than the Pro 4 (ATX) in US pricing.

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2 minutes ago, trevb0t said:

Well hey! Side note to the guys who like to suggest AMD builds: The Fatal1ty is currently a bit cheaper than the Pro 4 (ATX) in US pricing.

oh really? that's funny...

 

tho the pro4m is a little cheaper rn


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26 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

oh really? that's funny...

 

tho the pro4m is a little cheaper rn

Lol hence the ATX specification :P

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I have a question, exactly regarding Fatal1ty Gaming K4& B450 Pro4& B450M Pro4.


How similar are these to each other? Is the VRM better built on Fatal1ty? According to this table, they share common components:


Asking, bc I saw a YT review on hardwareunboxed, in which the Fatal1ty got pretty decent values.

 

And if they do have similar or nearly identical VRM-s, then B450m Pro4 is very good value: almost the cheapest B450 mobo out there

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2 hours ago, Vejnemojnen said:

How similar are these to each other? Is the VRM better built on Fatal1ty?

it's actually about the same (I'm yet to notice any differences even)

 

2 hours ago, Vejnemojnen said:

And if they do have similar or nearly identical VRM-s, then B450m Pro4 is very good value: almost the cheapest B450 mobo out there

you're correct on that one anyways


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are ATX boards made from higher quality components than mATX ones? or they just differ in size and number of slots?


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