Motherboard Tier List (EOL)

[Vejnemojnen]

@Jurrunio A buddy of mine planning to switch to AM4, possibly 3600, though a 3700x is also likely. 

 

He is looking for MB  with decent onboard audio , good vrm heatsinks and good BIOS  options. The first choice would have been MSI B450 GAMING PRO CARBON AC,  but I'm not entirely sure, that MSI bios of late actually work well with zen2 processors.

 

Then there are X570 boards, but those are still a bit dear. What are the best budget boards (mean: below 200€) for third gen right now?  Good bios support is a must, and a finer onboard audio is also important for him. Any ideas are welcome. Thanks in advance..

 

PS: There is plenty of people complaining about MSI BIOS-es for 3rd gen Ryzen in local ZEN2 threads, that is why I'd rather ask someone with better insight, instead of just giving the knee-jerk response "Buy MSI b450.. max"  

[LukeSavenije]

43 minutes ago, Vejnemojnen said:

that MSI bios of late actually work well with zen2 processors.

they had some cold boot issues, but they started to push out microcode with a recent bios release

[Jurrunio]

1 hour ago, Vejnemojnen said:

What are the best budget boards (mean: below 200€) for third gen right now? 

X570-P is the best, since I dont know whether the TUF or Aorus Elite break the 200 Eur cap

[Vejnemojnen]

Thank you @LukeSavenije & @Jurrunio

 

I believe that with coupons, he can get the TUF board around 200. Thanks for the recommendations

[Tenma White]

What about the Gigabyte B450 i Aorus Pro Wifi? I don't see it and is it okay if I pair it with the Ryzen 5 3600 with light overclocking? I would really appreciate it if you can help me with all my questions.

[Jurrunio]

18 minutes ago, Tenma White said:

What about the Gigabyte B450 i Aorus Pro Wifi? I don't see it and is it okay if I pair it with the Ryzen 5 3600 with light overclocking? I would really appreciate it if you can help me with all my questions.

Gigabyte B450 and B350 ITX boards for AM4 goes to tier E, @LukeSavenije Mind updating it?

[LukeSavenije]

1 hour ago, Jurrunio said:

Gigabyte B450 and B350 ITX boards for AM4 goes to tier E, @LukeSavenije Mind updating it?

send the details to discord and one can do

[Jurrunio]

8 hours ago, LukeSavenije said:

send the details to discord and one can do

I put them into the document instead, tho better delete some of the exclaimation marks after your done so you dont have to look back on everything next time

[Tenma White]

On 11/8/2019 at 3:47 PM, Jurrunio said:

Gigabyte B450 and B350 ITX boards for AM4 goes to tier E, @LukeSavenije Mind updating it?

I don't really understand what current draw 50A meaning so I'm just gonna ask this, would it be fine if I pair the B450 i Aorus Pro Wifi with the Ryzen 5 3600 while lightly overclocking it? I was gonna get the Strix B450 i but for some reason in my place it costs $180 while the Aorus is at $120 only. Kinda worried about the vrm temps. 

[Jurrunio]

6 hours ago, Tenma White said:

I don't really understand what current draw 50A meaning so I'm just gonna ask this, would it be fine if I pair the B450 i Aorus Pro Wifi with the Ryzen 5 3600 while lightly overclocking it? I was gonna get the Strix B450 i but for some reason in my place it costs $180 while the Aorus is at $120 only. Kinda worried about the vrm temps. 

I already mentioned the CPU good for each tier, 3600 is fine but dont expect good VRM temps with more cores.

[LogicWeasel]

Found an X570 Gigabyte board not listed:

Part #

X570 UD

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/LcYQzy/gigabyte-x570-ud-atx-am4-motherboard-x570-ud

 

I realize it's not going to be real high-end assuming it's similar design to the Gigabyte Entry-level UD-Design for their Z390, but it may not be trash-tier either.  Lemme know.

Edited November 10, 2019 by LogicWeasel
switched link to US, was CA

[Jurrunio]

1 hour ago, LogicWeasel said:

Found an X570 Gigabyte board not listed:

Part #

X570 UD

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/LcYQzy/gigabyte-x570-ud-atx-am4-motherboard-x570-ud

 

I realize it's not going to be real high-end assuming it's similar design to the Gigabyte Entry-level UD-Design for their Z390, but it may not be trash-tier either.  Lemme know.

GJ. UD is just the Gaming X with PCIe slot position shifted around, a x16 slot connected to the chipset changed to x4, lost some (if not all) LED headers and an M.2 slot, bye bye rear I/O plastic cover and a different shade of grey. Oh, and it has BIOS flashback button in the rear I/O while Gaming X keeps it below the bottom PCIe slot. 

[LogicWeasel]

2 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

GJ. UD is just the Gaming X with PCIe slot position shifted around, a x16 slot connected to the chipset changed to x4, lost some (if not all) LED headers and an M.2 slot, bye bye rear I/O plastic cover and a different shade of grey. Oh, and it has BIOS flashback button in the rear I/O while Gaming X keeps it below the bottom PCIe slot. 

So perhaps offers very good value to the buyers of 3700x and such as a non-bad VRM platform that is one of the cheapest options available for X570.  It's only $20 more than the cheapest board on US PCPartPicker from what I just saw.

[Tenma White]

On 11/8/2019 at 3:47 PM, Jurrunio said:

Gigabyte B450 and B350 ITX boards for AM4 goes to tier E, @LukeSavenije Mind updating it?

 
This is also something that I found and it is saying that the B450I Aorus Pro WiFi is better than the Aorus X470 and B450s. Is this true? 

[Jurrunio]

2 hours ago, Tenma White said:

This is also something that I found and it is saying that the B450I Aorus Pro WiFi is better than the Aorus X470 and B450s. Is this true? 

Yes and no. The components are better on the ITX board, but its small heatsink and small cases usually paired with it means it still runs hotter

[Tenma White]

11 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

Yes and no. The components are better on the ITX board, but its small heatsink and small cases usually paired with it means it still runs hotter

So like the ITX has better VRMs but since it has a small heatsink and assuming that the case is also ITX then like it equals everything out? B450 ITX = ATX = X470?

[Jurrunio]

2 hours ago, Tenma White said:

So like the ITX has better VRMs but since it has a small heatsink and assuming that the case is also ITX then like it equals everything out? B450 ITX = ATX = X470?

It's still board dependent, I wont say an B450I Aorus Pro is as good as the X470 Gaming 7 for example.

[FaxedForward]

Just noticed an error on the list: X570 Prime-P is listed on two tiers (it should only be on the lower tier)

 

Quote

Tier A 200A current draw on little ambient airflow, maxed out 3950X on ambient cooling, 2700x on LN2

Asus: X570 Strix-F, TUF Plus, Prime Pro, Prime-P, X470 Crosshair VII Hero, X370 Crosshair VI Extreme

Asrock: X570 ITX/TB3, X470 Taichi (Ultimate), X370 Taichi, Professional Gaming

Gigabyte: X570 Aorus Ultra, Pro (ATX), X470 Gaming 7

MSI: X470 M7 AC

 

Tier B 160A current draw on little ambient airflow, maxed out 3900X, 3950x at 1.3V on ambient cooling, maxed out 1800X on LN2

Asus: X570 Prime-P, X470 Strix-F, X370 Crosshair VI Hero, Strix-F

Biostar: X570 GT8, X470 GT8, X370 GT7

Gigabyte: X570 Aorus Elite, ITX

 

[LukeSavenije]

6 minutes ago, FaxedForward said:

Just noticed an error on the list: X570 Prime-P is listed on two tiers (it should only be on the lower tier)

it's fixed now according to documentation i have

 

an error from my side

[LogicWeasel]

1 hour ago, FaxedForward said:

(it should only be on the lower tier)

You are not aware then (watch Buildzoid or look up the VRM stats), that it uses the same higher-end VRMs as the TUF Plus & Strix-F.  It actually goes in Tier A.

Where did you get the idea that it's lower tier?  The price alone?

[LukeSavenije]

4 minutes ago, LogicWeasel said:

that it uses the same higher-end VRMs as the TUF Plus & Strix-F.

it doesn't use the same

 

it shares vrm with the Maximus 11 hero/formula/code

[LogicWeasel]

3 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

it doesn't use the same

 

it shares vrm with the Maximus 11 hero/formula/code

That's not what this says: https://www.anandtech.com/show/14161/the-amd-x570-motherboard-overview/2

 

The X570 Prime-P has the exact same listed Controller, sides, and chokes as the Strix-F and TUF.  Buildzoid knows what he's talking about when he pointed out the boards are all equal on VRM.

[LukeSavenije]

2 minutes ago, LogicWeasel said:

That's not what this says

doesn't speak against me, that's the prime-pro, not the prime-p

[Jurrunio]

6 minutes ago, LogicWeasel said:

That's not what this says: https://www.anandtech.com/show/14161/the-amd-x570-motherboard-overview/2

Prime Pro is not the Prime P

 

6 minutes ago, LogicWeasel said:

The X570 Prime-P has the exact same listed Controller, sides, and chokes as the Strix-F and TUF.  Buildzoid knows what he's talking about when he pointed out the boards are all equal on VRM.

no it doesn't, TUF & Prime Pro & X570-F has 50% more powerstages in the 4 phase setup than the Prime P with the same voltage controller. In actual temperature testing with the 3900X though the X570-P has the lowest temperature. I still expect it to get hotter than the other 3 boards in 3950X OC range of power draw as it exits the efficient range of the Vishay SiC639 (15-20A), but it should have enough thermal headroom to do the job

[LogicWeasel]

9 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

doesn't speak against me, that's the prime-pro, not the prime-p

My confusion.  Very annoying that anandtech skipped listing the damn vrm stats of the prime-p when they put it elsewhere in their roundup.  I also fault Asus for having a very stupid naming convention, too much p, not enough intelligent naming scheme.  Lots of disambiguation to deal with...