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could you kindly rearrange the tier list? It takes a bit of scrolling to get to the relevant stuff.

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28 minutes ago, SupremeGOAT said:

could you kindly rearrange the tier list? It takes a bit of scrolling to get to the relevant stuff.

the first stuff is very relevent to read...

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On 3/20/2019 at 5:43 AM, LukeSavenije said:

Intel (x299, z390, z370, h370, b360, b365, h310)

ew.. i think not...

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2 minutes ago, SupremeGOAT said:

ew.. i think not...

different opinions i guess

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4 hours ago, Oalei said:

No biostar GT7/GT8? 

we'll soon add those if possible

 

through i can't do much with the x570 gt8 yet

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I believe GIgabyte,s mobos are too far down.. like the b450 aorus elite should be able to take a 2700/x or 3700x to high Oc.. And Ds3h is not  as bad as it may seem on the lowest tier , i believe it can take the 3600 to max OC without an 80mm fan strapped over the vrms..

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Very insightful. At least I know which motherboard to choose for overclocking AMD Ryzen 5 3600.

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16 hours ago, hello_there_123 said:

I believe GIgabyte,s mobos are too far down

maybe

 

16 hours ago, hello_there_123 said:

b450 aorus elite should be able to take a 2700/x or 3700x to high Oc..

Considering how Buildzoid struggled with the 2700X on the X470 Ultra Gaming (same VRM component, better heatsink) with VRM heat with a full speed fan on the heatsink itself, the B450 Elite will have ZERO chance of handling a 2nd gen 8 core max ambient OC. 

 

3700X will be in the 100A class. While I haven't seen testing with this CPU, I've seen the X370 K5 (same components) with the 1700 (buildzoid again :P) and it's apparently getting VRM thermal shutdown at 1.3V 3.8GHz in a case, and that's not even 100A yet. B450 Elite's heatsink might be better but still, not worth 100A rating in my book

 

and forget the even cheaper boards. the DS3H's heatsink is particularly bad and it loses half the high side mosfet so it wont be getting any better rating.

17 hours ago, hello_there_123 said:

And Ds3h is not  as bad as it may seem on the lowest tier , i believe it can take the 3600 to max OC without an 80mm fan strapped over the vrms..

Note that I dont take active VRM cooling into account, a fan solves too many problems.

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

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5 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

Considering how Buildzoid struggled with the 2700X on the X470 Ultra Gaming (same VRM component, better heatsink) with VRM heat with a full speed fan on the heatsink itself, the B450 Elite will have ZERO chance of handling a 2nd gen 8 core max ambient OC. 

interesting , considering that Guru3d reported something completely different... 

https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/gigabyte_b450_aorus_pro_review,18.html

53.5C max on the VRMs , maybe it was cuz of different testing conditions , like buildzoid could have restricted the airflow and used an AIO/custom loop instead of a top-down heatsink... 

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19 minutes ago, hello_there_123 said:

interesting , considering that Guru3d reported something completely different... 

https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/gigabyte_b450_aorus_pro_review,18.html

53.5C max on the VRMs , maybe it was cuz of different testing conditions , like buildzoid could have restricted the airflow and used an AIO/custom loop instead of a top-down heatsink... 

How dare they say

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but the best way really is to look at the VRM area with a thermal camera. 

On a VRM with heatsink, an infrared gun can't read temperature below that piece of aluminum, so you wont be reading the mosfet temperatures anytime soon. Someone go send them to Gulag

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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13 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

On a VRM with heatsink, an infrared gun can't read temperature below that piece of aluminum, so you wont be reading the mosfet temperatures anytime soon. Someone go send them to Gulag

Taking a page straight out of Asus' marketing department.

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39 minutes ago, Quadriplegic said:

Taking a page straight out of Asus' marketing department.

At least Asus has the decency to get the right measuring spot, although only on boards from other brands

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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Regarding ITX mobos. Is the MSI B450I Gaming significantly better than Asrock b450i gaming itx/ac?  Or are there better value itx boards from ASUS, GigaByte?  The asrock is the cheapest, costs roughly the same as a microATX Mortar. 

 

If building sff case, would the asrock be recommendable? 

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1 hour ago, Vejnemojnen said:

Regarding ITX mobos. Is the MSI B450I Gaming significantly better than Asrock b450i gaming itx/ac?  

well, I'd estimate 125a for the msi, so it is better, but it mostly depends on what you want to put on it

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Is AsRock Fatal1ty AB350 Gaming K4 (https://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/Fatal1ty AB350 Gaming K4/index.asp#Specification) enought to run a Ryzen 3700x?

Which motherboard is better (and why) for a 3700x with possible upgrade to 3950x after time, GIGABYTE X570 AORUS PRO or MSI MPG X570 Gaming PRO Carbon WiFi?

 

GIGABYTE X570 AORUS PRO: https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B07TSKR5T3/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A3JWKAKR8XB7XF&psc=1

MSI MPG X570 Gaming PRO Carbon WiFi: https://www.amazon.de/MSI-X570-Gaming-Carbon-Motherboard/dp/B07TD653VY/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?keywords=x570+msi&qid=1565262878&s=gateway&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1

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12 minutes ago, redman said:

Is AsRock Fatal1ty AB350 Gaming K4 (https://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/Fatal1ty AB350 Gaming K4/index.asp#Specification) enought to run a Ryzen 3700x?

well, it'll probably need some airflow, but in theory it should work (it's the same as the pro4 if you wondered).

 

I'd say the aorus pro is better

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44 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

well, I'd estimate 125a for the msi, so it is better, but it mostly depends on what you want to put on it

Thanks. R5 2600 for now, later who knows. 8 core perhaps. The price difference is ~24$.

 

I guess the asrock will do fein 

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2 hours ago, Vejnemojnen said:

Regarding ITX mobos. Is the MSI B450I Gaming significantly better than Asrock b450i gaming itx/ac?  Or are there better value itx boards from ASUS, GigaByte?  The asrock is the cheapest, costs roughly the same as a microATX Mortar. 

 

If building sff case, would the asrock be recommendable? 

For $24 difference, no. The powerstage choices are great and equal on both sides, but Asrock runs theirs as a 3 phase while MSI runs theirs as a 6. MSI also does memory overclocking better than Asrock, or rather Asrock's memory overclocking on AM4 hasn't been very good, unlike LGA 115x.

 

Gigabyte has a measely 4 phase with 4 50A powerstages, so only 2/3 the current capability of everyone else. Asus runs a similar VRM as MSI, but their boards cost more.

 

29 minutes ago, redman said:

Is AsRock Fatal1ty AB350 Gaming K4 (https://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/Fatal1ty AB350 Gaming K4/index.asp#Specification) enought to run a Ryzen 3700x?

If you dont mind losing some speed, sure. Ryzen does slow itself down automatically to not blow up the board at stock settings.

 

31 minutes ago, redman said:

Which motherboard is better (and why) for a 3700x with possible upgrade to 3950x after time, GIGABYTE X570 AORUS PRO or MSI MPG X570 Gaming PRO Carbon WiFi?

The powerstages on the MSI X570 Carbon is a new component with no datasheets publically available so it's hard to judge its power delivery, That said the Aorus Pro's numbers are clear and it will handle the 3950x without slowing it down.

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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24 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

For $24 difference, no. 

So you would rather opt for MSI, even though its 24USD more expensive? I'll think about it. I've only found good reviews on the asrock, and that was recommended by a german itech magazine some weeks ago. 

 

Or the capability of the MSI just that vastly superior? Hmm

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15 minutes ago, Vejnemojnen said:

So you would rather opt for MSI, even though its 24USD more expensive? I'll think about it. I've only found good reviews on the asrock, and that was recommended by a german itech magazine some weeks ago. 

 

Or the capability of the MSI just that vastly superior? Hmm

Yes I will. 

 

I hope it's not some magazine that gives the Asus TUF B350 Plus an award :P

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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So I'm planning to RMA my Asus strix z370-F motherboard, because in one entire year I haven't found a solution for controlling the RGB led strip, it just keeps switching colors, and it's really annoying that there's no software that recognizes it.

Anyways, I decided to RMA, but I would be without a motherboard for weeks, so I guess I'd be better off ordering a new one, and sell this one when it comes back.

 

What motherboard do you suggest me to buy? Of course I'd go Z390 if I'm switching anyways (build is atx).

  • I have a 8700K, but I'm not really into overclocking YET..might do it later
  • My build is 80% black and 20% grey, so motherboard should be similar to the current one, with a great design, some RGB and black, or black and grey colors.
  • Built-in Bluetooth would be awesome, since I use a chinese dongle now, for my Xbox controller, and sometimes it's really buggy
  • I have GSkill Trident Z rams, so do I need a motherboard that recognizes it, so I can control its color?
  • GPU is AORUS, and cpu cooler, led strips and case fans are rgb ones from NZXT.

Please let me know which one should I pick up. I wouldn't go for an extremely expensive one, since I wouldn't really use any of its features.

 

Thank you in advance!

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20 minutes ago, Kranolf said:

Please let me know which one should I pick up. I wouldn't go for an extremely expensive one, since I wouldn't really use any of its features.

does it have to sync everything? because nzxt, gigabyte and gskill all have their own software

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4 hours ago, LukeSavenije said:

does it have to sync everything? because nzxt, gigabyte and gskill all have their own software

I'm already using three softwares to be honest, to have all in one place is not a must.

 

I'm okay with using 2 but maximum 3 softwares (wouldn't like to use a separate one for just the rams). Currently I'm using CAM for nzxt, AORUS engine for GPU, and Asus AURA for the motherboard (if only it would work...) and the rams. Having a built-in bluetooth would be more important I guess, but yea I wouldn't mind syncing as many as possible.

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9 minutes ago, Kranolf said:

I'm okay with using 2 but maximum 3 softwares

well... to sum it up

Mystic: memory yes, cooler no, gpu no

Fusion: memory no, cooler no, gpu yes

Aura: memory yes, cooler no, gpu no

Polychrome: memory yes, cooler no, gpu no

 

i think something like a z390 aorus elite or extreme 4 would fit quite nice

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