Motherboard Tier List (EOL)

[GrockleTD]

34 minutes ago, TheDankKoosh said:

Steel legend is on the edge of being able to handle a 3700x, mosfets on that are pretty bad.

yeah, luckily though, i do have quite a bit of airflow so im not too concerned

[GrockleTD]

@Jurrunio are these the relevant temps? 

[GrockleTD]

ok so unfortunately, as far as i can tell this board does not have a VRM temp sensor, however, the max i could get this CPU to draw (i only have the stock cooler) was about 85-90 W, which if memory serves is less than the 2700X, especially when overclocked, that based on testing by Tech Yes City, was where this board was no longer able to handle the heat

[Jurrunio]

2 hours ago, GrockleTD said:

@Jurrunio are these the relevant temps? 

No. It either says VRM or MOS.

 

2 hours ago, GrockleTD said:

ok so unfortunately, as far as i can tell this board does not have a VRM temp sensor, however, the max i could get this CPU to draw (i only have the stock cooler) was about 85-90 W, which if memory serves is less than the 2700X, especially when overclocked, that based on testing by Tech Yes City, was where this board was no longer able to handle the heat

At stock the CPU should follow TDC and EDC (power and current limit) and dont burn the board alive, tho you might loose speed in heavy workloads.

[GrockleTD]

4 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

No. It either says VRM or MOS.

 

At stock the CPU should follow TDC and EDC (power and current limit) and dont burn the board alive, tho you might loose speed in heavy workloads.

as far as i can tell, the only limit was thermals (CPU was hitting ~90C in Aida 64)

[Guili]

What about Gigabyte z390 Gaming X? it can handle a 9900K 5GHZ oc? 

[Jurrunio]

12 hours ago, Guili said:

What about Gigabyte z390 Gaming X? it can handle a 9900K 5GHZ oc? 

Yes but not well. VRM airflow mandatory.

[Quadriplegic]

21 hours ago, Guili said:

What about Gigabyte z390 Gaming X? it can handle a 9900K 5GHZ oc? 

I'd recommend something beefier, Gaming X and UD are pretty low end. Depending on the market, Z390 Extreme4 doesn't cost that much more than Gaming X.

I do have question myself too – where would ASRock Z390 Phantom Gaming 7 (that name is silly) rank VRM-wise? It is advertised as 10 power stage (4*2+2, it has actual doublers instead of just ton of mosfets and caps). Techtown's review mentions it being palmost the same VRM as that of Z390 Taichi, Heatsink could be worse too, not that much of surface area but it does have a heatpipe. Competitors like Strix or Gaming Pro Carbon don't (and Strix does have worse VRM as far as I am aware)
 

[PowerBaller]

How can an Asus Maximus mother board in the same tier with their own strix , tuf or even prime series. Their power delivery are not even at the same level. 

[Jurrunio]

22 minutes ago, PowerBaller said:

How can an Asus Maximus mother board in the same tier with their own strix , tuf or even prime series. Their power delivery are not even at the same level. 

but they cant go up from B to A either

[Quadriplegic]

1 hour ago, PowerBaller said:

How can an Asus Maximus mother board in the same tier with their own strix , tuf or even prime series. Their power delivery are not even at the same level. 

But power delivery on those boards suck hard enough to prevent those boards going to higher tier.

Although Maximus X could be moved to higher tier, as those boards at least had doublers on their VRMs, unlike Maximus XI.

[Jurrunio]

48 minutes ago, Quadriplegic said:

Although Maximus X could be moved to higher tier, as those boards at least had doublers on their VRMs, unlike Maximus XI.

but the ZF906 powerstage is pretty bad, so M10 shouldnt go higher either.

[GrockleTD]

@Jurrunio btw, I remembered I have some temperature sensors that came with my commander pro, so would you like me to grab heatsink and VRM temps or not bother?

[Quadriplegic]

1 hour ago, Jurrunio said:

but the ZF906 powerstage is pretty bad, so M10 shouldnt go higher either.

Uff, I see.

Regarding my previous question about PG7, it seems like it is the same tier as Extreme4. PG6 and other boards. VRMs are bit better, but it seems like heatsink itself is pretty bad, not that much of surface area as it is hollow.

[Jurrunio]

2 hours ago, GrockleTD said:

@Jurrunio btw, I remembered I have some temperature sensors that came with my commander pro, so would you like me to grab heatsink and VRM temps or not bother?

You mean thermal probes? Sure if you have time. Preferably stuck the probe onto whatever surface with sticky thermal pad.

[genexis_x]

With the introduction of 12/16 core Ryzen 9, the front page should be updated. Also X570

[LukeSavenije]

1 minute ago, GeneXiS_X said:

With the introduction of 12/16 core Ryzen 9, the front page should be updated. Also X570

yeah... we're done with the amd part... but we are a bit backlogged on the intel side

[GrockleTD]

7 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

You mean thermal probes? Sure if you have time. Preferably stuck the probe onto whatever surface with sticky thermal pad.

alright, so while running AIDA 64 stress test, the heatsink, if i am looking at the correct graph peaked at about 43C, however im going to try something else real quick to make sure the number is at least reasonably accurate

[LukeSavenije]

update!

[Vejnemojnen]

Thank you for this update& revision! Very descriptive and useful.

looks like the new tier list ranks boards according to much higher standards. B450 Boards are kind of low-ranked, and the "It Boots" sounds a bit harsh.

 

Great work. I'd have said, X570 boards should be ranked separately, than all other AM4 boards. But that's miniscule. Let's just see, how will the list evolve with gathering experiences.

 

(BC 90% of people are happy with-using B450 boards, so that's why those& older X boards could have been listed separately from the new X570-s)

[Jurrunio]

1 hour ago, Vejnemojnen said:

looks like the new tier list ranks boards according to much higher standards. B450 Boards are kind of low-ranked, and the "It Boots" sounds a bit harsh.

Because AMD released more power hungry CPUs over time.

 

Let's talk AM4.

 

1st gen Ryzen tops with 8 cores, maxing out at about 100A current draw so just capable of that will put boards in tier A. 2nd gen Ryzen also tops at 8 cores, but 12nm is more power hungry than 14nm when it comes to maxing out their limit in a certain environment, so now 125A capable board is tier A. 3rd gen Ryzen tops at 16 cores, so despite 8 core CPU's maxed out power draw being only a touch higher than 1st gen 8 core, a board still needs to push 200A without too much effort to be tier A worthy.

 

That's how a tier A board 2 years ago becomes tier D today.

[Vejnemojnen]

@Jurrunio

Thank you! By the current (amperes) you mean the amperage of CPU core? So, 100A (which on the 12v rail is ~120watts) ? So, theoretically, a 6core OC-d should pose no problem to most B450 mobos. ?

[Jurrunio]

5 hours ago, Vejnemojnen said:

@Jurrunio

Thank you! By the current (amperes) you mean the amperage of CPU core? So, 100A (which on the 12v rail is ~120watts) ? So, theoretically, a 6core OC-d should pose no problem to most B450 mobos. ?

100A from the low side mosfets. Voltage will be whatever core voltage you decide to push into the CPU

[Vejnemojnen]

@Jurrunio Thanks for the response! How comes, that the Asrock B450 ITX board ranked higher than ie.: ASUS Strix-F or Steel Legend B450-s? As I've heard, the Asrock B450i Fatality Gaming ITX board has VRM overheating issues, and not really ideal for 8cores.

[Jurrunio]

1 hour ago, Vejnemojnen said:

@Jurrunio Thanks for the response! How comes, that the Asrock B450 ITX board ranked higher than ie.: ASUS Strix-F or Steel Legend B450-s? As I've heard, the Asrock B450i Fatality Gaming ITX board has VRM overheating issues, and not really ideal for 8cores.

100A rating for Asrock ITX boards are only good for slight 8 core OC right? In fact Zen+ 6 core can already hit that.

 

As for B450-F and B450 Steel Legend, their VRM heatsinks are large but lacking in fins. They are good heatsoaks, but not good heatsinks.