Motherboard Tier List (EOL)

[Janick.Spielmann]

On 3/20/2019 at 11:43 AM, LukeSavenije said:

X470 Gaming 7

The Gigabyte X470 Gaming 7 is actually called X470 Aurus Gaming 7 WiFi, dumbest name ever considering the Gaming 7 is a Intel socket board (Z370), but then it's Gigabyte adding "gaming" in almost every MBs just because it sells better that way.

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/X470-AORUS-GAMING-7-WIFI-rev-10#kf

 

[Flying Sausages]

This is more hella confusing than the power supply tier list. Which one is the ultra high end, high end, budget tiers.....

Tf is tier S,A,F, etc.....

 

[Jurrunio]

21 hours ago, The Torrent said:

i dont really understand the wording

 

for example tier c it says maxed out, does that mean the best cpu it can overclock? or is that just the best cpu it can 'max' overclock?

would tier c be ok for 3900x no overclock? what about with overclock? 

specifically b450 carbon pro

Max overclock, ambient cooling means without going below room temperature. At stock it just slows down so even the worst board wont blow up with a high core count CPU

[atxcyclist]

So, basically everything left to stock (not intending on overclocking with the Prism cooler for sure), what I'm getting is my MSI B450 Gaming Plus with a 2700x shouldn't grenade? Lots of airflow moving through the case.

[Jurrunio]

35 minutes ago, atxcyclist said:

So, basically everything left to stock (not intending on overclocking with the Prism cooler for sure), what I'm getting is my MSI B450 Gaming Plus with a 2700x shouldn't grenade? Lots of airflow moving through the case.

Sure it will survive that

[DumboDodo]

Figured I'd mention this...

The X570-F, Prime X570-Pro, and TUF X570-Plus (and I think the X570-E too, not sure) all have the same VRM. Though, the Prime and TUF obviously don't have as good heatsinking.

The TUF is a catch if you ask me. $200 X570 board with a fantastic VRM and a great featureset. I don't think any other board at that price point could compete with it. That's supposing Asus didn't mess up another aspect of its of course.

[LukeSavenije]

13 minutes ago, Deathtroya said:

don't think any other board at that price point could compete with it.

well... aorus elite is a thing

[Jurrunio]

21 minutes ago, Deathtroya said:

The X570-F, Prime X570-Pro, and TUF X570-Plus (and I think the X570-E too, not sure)

Strix-E has different VRM, more like Crosshair VIII with a CPU phase cut off.

 

Aorus Elite can compete with thr TUF board. Worse VRM heatsink, but more phases and Intel LAN. WIfi vereion also available

[DumboDodo]

4 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

Aorus Elite can compete with thr TUF board. Worse VRM heatsink, but more phases and Intel LAN.

 

4 hours ago, LukeSavenije said:

well... aorus elite is a thing

Yeah, but I would definitely go for the TUF. Basically, TUF has better VRM and heatsinking and Wi-Fi. The Aorus has BIOS Flashback (Not currently necessary for 3rd gen Ryzen, it would've been if pertaining to older chipsets) and apparently better LAN. Asus, however, has much better software in general for tuning / Overclocking / RGB etc. and that matters very much to a dumba$$ like myself. I'd go for the TUF. There's also the steel legend but it has nothing remarkable that would make it compete with those two as far as I know.

[Jurrunio]

Just now, Deathtroya said:

and Wi-Fi. 

Elite also has Wifi version as well

 

1 minute ago, Deathtroya said:

Asus, however, has much better software in general for tuning / Overclocking / RGB etc

GPU tweak is garbage, Aura sync gets broken with Ryzen 3rd gen a couple of times already...

 

2 minutes ago, Deathtroya said:

and that matters very much to a dumba$$ like myself. I'd go for the TUF

for once I agree

[DumboDodo]

A very important aspect of any motherboard is its VRM. I'd really like to know how to accurately evaluate a VRM myself supposed I have the details of its tests / reviews. A better VRM improves the efficiency and 'cleanness' of power flow, but I don't really know anything about a VRM except that more and better chokes / mosfets make a better VRM. Any detailed but simple forum post that can guide me on what exactly is a VRM and how it is evaluated?

[DumboDodo]

2 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

for once I agree

why u...

why u bully me

[DumboDodo]

@Jurruniobtw I checked your build and it's a really interesting rig, but may I know why you have 5 intake fans and only 1 outtake fan?

[Jurrunio]

7 minutes ago, Deathtroya said:

TUF has better VRM

TUF and Elite both have 12 Vishay SiC63x 50A powerstages powering the CPU cores, but on the TUF they operate in 4 phase mode while the elite runs them as a proper 12 phase. What you said is not true.

 

5 minutes ago, Deathtroya said:

I'd really like to know how to accurately evaluate a VRM myself supposed I have the details of its tests / reviews

then you just compare temperatures when giving the same current output. This can be done by running the same CPU in the same task with the same voltages and frequencies.

 

7 minutes ago, Deathtroya said:

Any detailed but simple forum post that can guide me on what exactly is a VRM and how it is evaluated?

I just rate how much current it can give out without getting too hot. Stuff like ripple and transient response also matter for some dedicated overclockers, but operating temperature is the most important factor. If it overheats, the rest dont matter anymore

 

Oh and I dont recall seeing such post here. Especially, not a simple one.

 

9 minutes ago, Deathtroya said:

why u...

why u bully me

reminds me of those "I'm fat" "yeah" "omfg you dont love me anymore" soap opera stuff

 

7 minutes ago, Deathtroya said:

@Jurruniobtw I checked your build and it's a really interesting rig, but may I know why you have 5 intake fans and only 1 outtake fan?

it sits 1cm below a piece of glass, there's nowhere for heat to go if the top is exhaust. That's why I make them intakes.

[DumboDodo]

37 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

TUF and Elite both have 12 Vishay SiC63x 50A powerstages powering the CPU cores, but on the TUF they operate in 4 phase mode while the elite runs them as a proper 12 phase. What you said is not true.

As I said earlier, I have no experience with evaluating or comparing VRMs, so I just take by words of more informed tech geeks. The Gamers Nexus dude said TUF's was better than the Elite's in his MB comparison video, so I took by that.

 

39 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

then you just compare temperatures when giving the same current output. This can be done by running the same CPU in the same task with the same voltages and frequencies.

Makes sense, comparing that would very likely yield accurate results in terms of who's more efficient

 

40 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Especially, not a simple one.

The topic itself is very complex, so that's very much understandable.

 

41 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

52 minutes ago, Deathtroya said:

why u...

why u bully me

reminds me of those "I'm fat" "yeah" "omfg you dont love me anymore" soap opera stuff

 

41 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

it sits 1cm below a piece of glass, there's nowhere for heat to go if the top is exhaust. That's why I make them intakes.

I know that might not make a lot of sense, but having only 2 or 3 intakes rather than 5 would probably be better in your case. As much as I know, slightly positive pressure that's somewhat close to neutral is better than extremely high pressure in most cases. Are the intakes filtered and does your build get too dusty too quickly?

[Flying Sausages]

X570 boards prices are expensive asf. Im get an X470 and some $50 - $70 1st or 2nd gen Ryzen to flash BIOS for Ryzen 3rd gen compatible. I don't see PCIE 4.0 any useful to me..

[DumboDodo]

1 minute ago, OlympicAssEater said:

X570 boards prices are expensive asf. Im get an X470 and some $50 - $70 1st or 2nd gen Ryzen to flash BIOS for Ryzen 3rd gen compatible.

I'd really recommend you get a board that has BIOS Flashback rather than doing all of that and it will definitely save you some money. Adding those $50-$70 to your current budget for the motherboard will probably be more than enough to get you a decent X470 board that has BIOS Flashback or even be enough for an X570 board...Whaddya think?

 

What motherboard are you planning to buy?

[Jurrunio]

4 minutes ago, OlympicAssEater said:

some $50 - $70 1st or 2nd gen Ryzen to flash BIOS

no need. AMD send out free bootkit CPUs for that (200GE or Bulldozer APU). Even repair stores can do it, for less.

[Jurrunio]

31 minutes ago, DumboDodo said:

I know that might not make a lot of sense, but having only 2 or 3 intakes rather than 5 would probably be better in your case. As much as I know, slightly positive pressure that's somewhat close to neutral is better than extremely high pressure in most cases. Are the intakes filtered and does your build get too dusty too quickly?

All intakes are filtered, and while my build doesnt get dusty quickly I'm only available to clean it once every one or two years.

[Flying Sausages]

30 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

no need. AMD send out free bootkit CPUs for that (200GE or Bulldozer APU). Even repair stores can do it, for less.

I doubt the repair stores will going to charge me very cheap for it. Hell, even just diagnostic alone already cost me $40 - $55+. 

 

I read that you need to qualify on AMD requirement for free bootkit or something like that?

 

 

[Jurrunio]

3 minutes ago, OlympicAssEater said:

I doubt the repair stores will going to charge me very cheap for it. Hell, even just diagnostic alone already cost me $40 - $55+. 

 

I read that you need to qualify on AMD requirement for free bootkit or something like that?

 

 

a proof of purchase of board and CPU will do. My friend got past the proof of purchase for the board even, he just stated he has a certain board, showed receipt for the CPU and AMD accepts that.

[Flying Sausages]

7 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

a proof of purchase of board and CPU will do. My friend got past the proof of purchase for the board even, he just stated he has a certain board, showed receipt for the CPU and AMD accepts that. 

I read on some sites that you need to take a picture of the motherboard sticker label thing, send them a bar code thing, and a proof why the motherboard manufacturer cannot help you update the BIOS to ryzen 3000 compatiblity???

 

47 minutes ago, DumboDodo said:

I'd really recommend you get a board that has BIOS Flashback rather than doing all of that and it will definitely save you some money. Adding those $50-$70 to your current budget for the motherboard will probably be more than enough to get you a decent X470 board that has BIOS Flashback or even be enough for an X570 board...Whaddya think?

 

What motherboard are you planning to buy?

Not too tight in budget

 

3700X + MSI X470 Gaming Pro Carbon or MSI X470 Gaming Pro. I think I can sacrifice a little bit for ASUS ROG Strix X470-F @ $186 right now.

 

Saving money to go 3700x.

 

Tight in budget will be MSI X470 Gaming Plus + Ryzen 7 3700x.

 

I am planning to build this rig in 2 weeks or 3 weeks.

 

 

[Jurrunio]

4 minutes ago, OlympicAssEater said:

I read on some sites that you need to take a picture of the motherboard sticker label thing, send them a bar code thing, and a proof why the motherboard manufacturer cannot help you update the BIOS to ryzen 3000 compatiblity???

I thought only thing they really need is serial number for the CPU? dont think they need anything else, at least not when 2nd gen is new and people are stuck with boards that only work with 1st gen and Bulldozer.

[Flying Sausages]

Just now, Jurrunio said:

I thought only thing they really need is serial number for the CPU? dont think they need anything else, at least not when 2nd gen is new and people are stuck with boards that only work with 1st gen and Bulldozer.

Idk man. I read on 3 to 4 sites that you need to send them those requirements to get approval for CPU loaner. It sounds like getting a CPU loaner is not easy. This is why people suggest getting a $50 - $70 ryzen 1st or 2nd gen to get BIOS flash to Ryzen 3000 compatible then return the ryzen 1st or 2nd CPU or sell it or keep it.

[DumboDodo]

1 hour ago, Jurrunio said:

All intakes are filtered

Good. If they weren't, your build would've been hard to distinguish from a vacuum's bag with all that dust-loaded airflow