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Posted · Original PosterOP
25 minutes ago, heAd3r said:

is it signifcant

for some, no, for some yes

 

if you want a good budget board, the pro4(m)(-f) are really good as a example


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14 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

for some, no, for some yes

 

if you want a good budget board, the pro4(m)(-f) are really good as a example

u mean the asrock pro4 I suppose

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6 minutes ago, heAd3r said:

u mean the asrock pro4 I suppose

i do, the b450 and x370 are most recommended, the ab350 has some small problems


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1 minute ago, LukeSavenije said:

i do, the b450 and x370 are most recommended, the ab350 has some small problems

would u rather recommend the x370 or should I go with the b450 when I want to run my ram on full 3200

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2 minutes ago, heAd3r said:

would u rather recommend the x370 or should I go with the b450 when I want to run my ram on full 3200

both have the same vrms

 

so pretty much the cheapest, I've seen the b450-f going below 70 and even 60 a couple times


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1 hour ago, heAd3r said:

would u rather recommend the x370 or should I go with the b450 when I want to run my ram on full 3200

Buy whichever is cheapest. The VRMs and RAM compatibility is the same.


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3 hours ago, LukeSavenije said:

both have the same vrms

 

so pretty much the cheapest, I've seen the b450-f going below 70 and even 60 a couple times

Does it matter if I go for the ATX or is it the same as the f and m

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4 minutes ago, heAd3r said:

Does it matter if I go for the ATX or is it the same as the f and m

the x370-atx, matx, b450-atx, matx and the f version all have the same vrms, so the cheapest out of them


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On 6/14/2019 at 7:24 AM, LukeSavenije said:

question before i do: have you updated the bios and chipset in any time? there used to be some memory problems on first gen, that got patched out

I gave the newest BIOS (7A34v1M) and chipset (19.10.0429) a try but im still sitting on 2133, looks like I will go for the pro4 now.

 

 

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Found a summary table for ATX vs Micro ATX vs Mini ITX  👇 what do you think guys? is this accurate?

 

 

Form Factor    

   Size

Pros

Cons

Standard ATX

   305 x       244 mm

*Can have up to four PCIe slots 
*High capacity for RAM 
*Ideal for multi-GPU setups

*Bulkiest; might not fit in some cases

Micro  ATX

244 x 244 mm

*Most commonly used; hence, the most affordable 
*Big enough to fit most cases 
*Can have up to four PCIe slots

*Only suitable for single-GPU setups

Mini ITX

170 x 170 mm

*Best for compact PC builds 
*Ideal for simple PC users

*Limited compatibility due to its size 
*Limited number of RAM modules; maximum of two

 

 

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2 hours ago, Mitchie23 said:

Found a summary table for ATX vs Micro ATX vs Mini ITX  👇 what do you think guys? is this accurate?

pros ATX: multiGPU is niche anyway, but it is the most common form factor, hence the easiest to buy especially mid range and high end.

 

cons ATX: On cheap ones it's wasting space with empty PCB

 

pros mATX: it's not the most common overall, only common on cheap boards. Hard to buy high performance ones.

 

cons mATX: You can go multi GPU with some of those, the real problem is that you choices for high overclocks is limited.

 

pros mITX: no it's not ideal for simple PC users, cable managing in a real small case is difficult.


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Hello,

I'm currently looking for a new Motherboard, for my upcoming upgrade (Ryzen R7 eight core 2nd or 3rd gen).

As I don't need neither PCIE 4.0, MultiGPU, nor aggressive manual OC capabilities, capacity, the new X570 boards seem to be to expensive to my needs.

However, after looking at the table in the first page, I found the MSI B450 mini-ITX Gaming Plus AC, which appears to have (at least on paper) enough power capacity to handle a 8 core with ease (and if the 6+2 phases are any good maybe even a future 12 core at stock speeds.

As this particular MB can be found (without much effort and on physical stores) at around 100-120 €, (much cheaper than many 4+2 X470's ATX) where I live, I'm finding this to good to be true...So...What's the catch with this particular MB? I mean the 2 RAM slots instead of 4 are to be expected, due to the size (and honestly, 32 Gb are more than enough for me), but am I missing something? Online search is somewhat unhelpful, as I'm finding that not a lot of people bother with mini-ITX boards.

Will this melt with an 8-core R7 2xxx/3xxx, when using the standard automatic OC's, or are there any other issues that I'm missing?

 

Sorry for the text wall, and thanks 

JDCosta

 

TLDR: Using MSI B450 mini-ITX Gaming Plus AC. 6+2 phases for about 120 €, for Ryzen R7 2xxx/3xxx? Where is the Catch?

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1 minute ago, JDCosta said:

So...What's the catch with this particular MB?

No out of the box compatibility with 3rd gen or BIOS flashing capability without compatible CPU (or any CPU). You need to somehow source an older Ryzen CPU, or ask for AMD's bootkit from their support team. If you buy in local retail stores you might just as them to update the bios for you.

 

3 minutes ago, JDCosta said:

Will this melt with an 8-core R7 2xxx/3xxx, when using the standard automatic OC's, or are there any other issues that I'm missing?

No, you can max out 8 core CPUs with this board.12 core need careful monitoring on temperatures. You're only doing about 35% the capability of the VRM at this point, the tiny heatsink should be good enough though ideally you'd want a well ventilated case.


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8 minutes ago, JDCosta said:

TLDR: Using MSI B450 mini-ITX Gaming Plus AC. 6+2 phases for about 120 €, for Ryzen R7 2xxx/3xxx? Where is the Catch?

around 23:37 he goes in detail about it

 

but @Jurrunio is right here


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First of all, thanks for answering, @Jurrunio and @LukeSavenije.

As for Jurrunio's points, good call on the "Out-of-the-Box" compatibility with Zen2. In hindsight it makes total sense, but I was not considering it. If I decide to go for R7 3xxx, I'll probably have to buy the CPU and the MB on the same store, in order to ask them to set it up (Bios update and whatnot)...May not be a big problem, but it will remove some flexibility...

As for your other point, regarding maxing the 8-core...Is the MB that robust? And (with proper temperature control) you are saying that a 12-core R9 (probably at stock/automatic OC's) might be a future upgrade possibility?! On a (relatively)low price B450 motherboard Why isn't MSI making a bigger noise on this little motherboard?

 

And this leads on to @LukeSavenije answer. Being on a mobile connection I haven't seen the youtube link you kindly included, yet. I'll watch it later today, taking in consideration your lead to be particularly attentive around 23:37, because, so far it looks to good to be true ...It may also hold the answer to another doubt regarding RAM speeds/OC and whether something above CL14/3200 would make sense on this MB...

 

Once again thanks for taking the time to answer a newbie/long-time lurker, who hasn't built a AMD based system since Athlon was a thing...

 

I also apologize for any spelling mistakes, as English is not my native language (and my work laptop's OS is in my native Portuguese).

 

Best Regards

JDCosta

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9 minutes ago, JDCosta said:

As for your other point, regarding maxing the 8-core...Is the MB that robust? And (with proper temperature control) you are saying that a 12-core R9 (probably at stock/automatic OC's) might be a future upgrade possibility?! On a (relatively)low price B450 motherboard Why isn't MSI making a bigger noise on this little motherboard?

it does power the CPU cores with 6 IR3555 60A powerstages in 6 phase mode, exactly like the Asus X470-F. Handling 140A of current draw (maxed out 2700X, arguably too aggressive) is no problem even with this board's rather small heatsink (small board after all) and I know 3rd gen Ryzen draws less power per core when maxed out (somewhere between 2nd gen and 1st gen).

 

This board is cheap mostly because it has limited features. Heck even RGB LEDs, a big thing for the marketing team, is nowhere to be seen on this board with "gaming" in the name. Red accent also tends to break color schemes people try go for so they didnt sell many of these boards.

 

As for MSI, they're busy elsewhere. In memory overclocking for example, their Z390I Gaming Edge and predecessor, Z370I Gaming Pro Carbon are record holders for fastest memory. Or maybe they just spent too much on R&D and lack funding for marketing


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CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.4?V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

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I don't actually see the B450 Gaming Plus ATX on the list (X370 and X470 are on there, as well at the ITX version). Does that fall under B Tier?

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2 hours ago, trevb0t said:

I don't actually see the B450 Gaming Plus ATX on the list (X370 and X470 are on there, as well at the ITX version). Does that fall under B Tier?

Same as the rest of MSI B450 ATX boards


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7 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Same as the rest of MSI B450 ATX boards

Thanks! I didn't want to assume, but I have heard that the difference between the X470 G+ and the B450 G+ is very small. (I believe the verbage was that an X470 G+ was a glorified B450 equivalent.)

I'll upgrade here eventually, but I'm hoping it can hold a 3700X at stock until I can front for a 500 series board. 

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1 minute ago, trevb0t said:

3700X at stock until I can front for a B5xx series board. 

even oc, they don't seem to pull that much from what i've seen from buildzoid

 

 


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Hello. 

I am potentially getting an am4 system next month and choosing a motherboard. Is there a fundamental difference between msi b450 carbon ac and x470 gaming carbon?

The goal is overclocked 3700x and 2x16 crucial ram sticks on 3600 cl16 (micron e die).

Also what if i buy a motherboard with no flash button and it comes with older BIOS? The PC with ryzen 3xxx wont even start? 

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7 minutes ago, Billy_Wellington said:

Hello. 

I am potentially getting an am4 system next month and choosing a motherboard. Is there a fundamental difference between msi b450 carbon ac and x470 gaming carbon?

The goal is overclocked 3700x and 2x16 crucial ram sticks on 3600 cl16 (micron e die).

Also what if i buy a motherboard with no flash button and it comes with older BIOS? The PC with ryzen 3xxx wont even start? 

In terms of parts the official webpage doesn't show, then yes the X470 Carbon has a 25% more powerful VRM than the B450 Carbon.

 

though there are doubts that older boards can have quirks when using 3rd gen Ryzen compared to X570 boards that are designed for them. Say, software that breaks overclocking, or features not working etc. Since the X470 Carbon still cost more than the cheaper bunch of X570 boards, you should at least wait for reviews on 3rd gen Ryzen on older boards.

 

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6 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

In terms of parts the official webpage doesn't show, then yes the X470 Carbon has a 25% more powerful VRM than the B450 Carbon.

 

though there are doubts that older boards can have quirks when using 3rd gen Ryzen compared to X570 boards that are designed for them. Say, software that breaks overclocking, or features not working etc. Since the X470 Carbon still cost more than the cheaper bunch of X570 boards, you should at least wait for reviews on 3rd gen Ryzen on older boards.

 

Yes, no post, no bios screen, nothing.

Ok, it is better to wait. From the looks of it even midrange x570 are better equipped than boards like strix-f or msi pro carbon. I wonder about the price though. 

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6 minutes ago, Billy_Wellington said:

Ok, it is better to wait. From the looks of it even midrange x570 are better equipped than boards like strix-f or msi pro carbon. I wonder about the price though. 

midrange is not midrange tho

 

i see the lowest end going for like 160-180 dollars, because of the cost of the chipset and a couple other things

 

tho aorus elite seems very promising as a midranger so far


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41 minutes ago, Billy_Wellington said:

I wonder about the price though. 

much higher, so they'd better be better equipped. Even the cheapest ones start at about $150 (MSRP). Back in X470 days it's as cheap as $120.


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