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[GDC] Ray Tracing Coming to GTX Cards in April

What will optimized ray tracing on non-RTX cards be like? I guess we'll have to wait a month.

 

GTX cards supported in the "low ray count" DXR support driver release (and claimed frame rates):

 

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My guess is that GTX ray tracing is gonna be just as good or slightly better than the upcoming RTX 2050ti so for those of us with a 1080ti, it's gonna be worth keeping it until RTX 30s come out next year. ;)

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24 minutes ago, Results45 said:

What will optimized ray tracing on non-RTX cards be like? I guess we'll have to wait a month.

 

GTX cards supported in the "low ray count" DXR support driver release (and claimed frame rates):

 

geforce-rtx-gtx-dxr-supported-gpus-march-2019-850px.png

geforce-rtx-gtx-dxr-shadow-of-the-tomb-raider-performance-850px.png

geforce-rtx-gtx-dxr-battlefield-v-performance-850px.png

My guess is that GTX ray tracing is gonna be just as good or slightly better than the upcoming RTX 2050ti so for those of us with a 1080ti, it's gonna be worth keeping it until RTX 30s come out next year. ;)

The 3080 is not coming out next year,,, more like 2021 ... Once every 2 years or so is their cycle.

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This is sorta what happens when you try to take something that's primarily a software problem (i.e. ray tracing) and sell it as a hardware feature.

 

Ray tracing in its essence is an algorithm (i.e. draw rays into the 3D scene and see what "color" object you hit, also doing the same thing to see which light sources are hitting the the object at that same point, etc). The idea has been around in a game context for decades, and the question has basically been "When will we get processors that are fast enough that, with enough cheating and approximation, we could take this approach to real-time rendering?". So, the processors have been getting better over time, but this just makes it so that rendering engines can cheat less, and do things like drawing more rays for light sources and reflections. There was no magic point where graphics cards got some magic thing added to them that made it possible where it wasn't before*. It just comes down to balancing realism  (i.e. not cheating) with not totally tanking the framerate.

 

Now they're realizing that the whole "Magic RTX module" thing isn't catching on (mainly because it doesn't exist), and they're just trying to take what they can get with the newfound popularity of ray tracing rendering. So they're now saying "Look, all these other GPUs can ray trace too!", which is perfectly true, because every GPU can do ray tracing, to some extent. It's just an algorithm that faster GPUs do faster.

 

The best comparison I can think of is if they were to try to market "high polygon counts" as a hardware feature. Like, that's not a hardware thing, and it's deceptive to market it as a "feature" when there are so many variables involved.

 

* Yes, I know they're using specialized cores that basically make the process of drawing a ray faster than if you're trying to do the math with general purpose math processors. Doesn't change the fact that "Ray tracing" isn't an on/off thing.

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1 hour ago, kuhnertdm said:

every GPU can do ray tracing, to some extent. It's just an algorithm that faster GPUs do faster.

 

Which is all they've ever claimed RTX cards can do.

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1 hour ago, kuhnertdm said:

This is sorta what happens when you try to take something that's primarily a software problem (i.e. ray tracing) and sell it as a hardware feature.

 

Ray tracing in its essence is an algorithm

 

The best comparison I can think of is if they were to try to market "high polygon counts" as a hardware feature.

 

* Yes, I know they're using specialized cores that basically make the process of drawing a ray faster than if you're trying to do the math with general purpose math processors. Doesn't change the fact that "Ray tracing" isn't an on/off thing.

Actually filling a single triangle is also a algrorithm / problem. And high poly/tri throughput of gpu IS actually a feature, that why people pay more to get more of it.... and thats a hw feature indeed because sw on current hw cant do it that fast... kind of the reason for gpu existance....

 

And uhm.... if anything is kind of a on/off thing its raytracing.. can be used for different purposses and really is a significantly different approach (you take one or the other, on or off). 

 

By your logic we'd still be drawing rectangles using the cpu because its an algorithm, and thus can also be done in software, so it cant be made or sold as a hardware feature....

 

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My 980ti is feeling left out from all these post-release updates :(. Considering this and Freesync are just software switches I wish they would just support the older cards. At the moment they have a reputation for being greedy. If they want to take away some of AMD's "David" reputation they'll have to do something 

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4 hours ago, CarlBar said:

 

Which is all they've ever claimed RTX cards can do.

Plus the tensor cores doing DLSS.   Which is actually something that other cards do not have.

Grammar and spelling is not indicative of intelligence/knowledge.  Not having the same opinion does not always mean lack of understanding.  

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4 hours ago, BuckGup said:

Can we all agree Nvidia sucks at making charts

Absolutely. They're god-awful charts that should be burned in hell.

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7 hours ago, Froody129 said:

My 980ti is feeling left out from all these post-release updates :(. Considering this and Freesync are just software switches I wish they would just support the older cards. At the moment they have a reputation for being greedy. If they want to take away some of AMD's "David" reputation they'll have to do something 

Yeah AMD usually supports something until it physically can''t Nvidia is just dumb. They promised DX12 support for Fermi. It never came

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