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Graphics Card (Cooling/VRM) Tier List (Navi Update)

3 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

the pcb is good

 

but this is tiered on cooling mostly...

 

I'm not disagreeing with the list (proudly D tier and reporting for duty) but also no shame in being D tier.

 

Cooling performance is fine even with an OC, but it's definitely loud AF with the fan speed as high as it needs to be to maintain it.

 

In some cases, blowers are beneficial over open air (get it, CASES? HAHAHA), and in many cases, they are great for aftermarket cooling.

 

I'd like to just point out that the cooling method is just one part of the puzzle.

 

 

 

 

Before you reply to my post, REFRESH. 99.99% chance I edited my post. 

 

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6 minutes ago, Plutosaurus said:

I'm not disagreeing with the list (proudly D tier and reporting for duty) but also no shame in being D tier.

 

Cooling performance is fine even with an OC, but it's definitely loud AF with the fan speed as high as it needs to be to maintain it.

 

In some cases, blowers are beneficial over open air (get it, CASES? HAHAHA), and in many cases, they are great for aftermarket cooling.

 

I'd like to just point out that the cooling method is just one part of the puzzle.

i mean... there are some single fan cards there too, just because they don't perform well compared to others

 

tier d isn't bad, it just cools bad

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39 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

i mean... there are some single fan cards there too, just because they don't perform well compared to others

 

tier d isn't bad, it just cools bad

It can cool better than higher tier cards in some scenarios, though.

 

These lists are fine but having a tier list for everything sometimes feels a bit out of hand.

 

 

 

 

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Auros 2080 Ti has great overclocking performance but the cooler is tier C or B at best

Literally just buy a 1920x is best CPU

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1 hour ago, SigmaDire said:

Auros 2080 Ti has great overclocking performance but the cooler is tier C or B at best

it's in tier b, where it should be

 

except if you show me otherwise

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25 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

it's in tier b, where it should be

 

except if you show me otherwise

excuse me if I am mistaken but the Aorus and Aorus extreme(tier A) are literally exactly the same except one has a RGB backplate, a GPU support stand and like less than 90mhz core boost

 

guess I ment to say extreme, in my mind they are exactly the same EXCEPT I WANT DAT RGB BACK PLATE but functionally I mean

Literally just buy a 1920x is best CPU

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13 minutes ago, SigmaDire said:

literally exactly the same except one has a RGB backplate, a GPU support stand and like less than 90mhz core boost

hm... it seems only on 2000 series to be the same cooler.. interesting

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46 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

hm... it seems only on 2000 series to be the same cooler.. interesting

not to be a total nerd but all the cards I have seen from 10 series both have windforce 3x 100MM on both cards.... to be fair though even the best 2080 ti coolers I have seen compared are like 4C difference vs this not huge margins in either OCing or Temps for anything but FTW 3 so idk about past cards but I guess it could either tier a/b since the entire delta field for 2080 ti is sparse which is worse considering the huge ~$500 price discrepancies....

 

in any case either card could be said to be at the top of gigabytes skews and their cards should perform as good as any AIB so either is fine probably, this is very nuance tbh.

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40 minutes ago, 486DX Win3.1 said:

What's on the E tier ?? Some AliBaba cards?

If there was an E tier then it would probably contain the worst GPU coolers ever imaginable.

To be honest I wouldn't be surprised if the cheap Taobao/Aliexpress knockoff cards were in Tier E.

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I have a question about gigabytes aorus rtx 2080 windforce 8gb. When you compare it to the gigabyte geforce rtx 2080 windforce 8gb oc, the performance difference is little to none but the price differences by 100 dollars. Please if anyone can help it would be greatly appreciated!

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22 minutes ago, Asaltnado said:

I have a question about gigabytes aorus rtx 2080 windforce 8gb. When you compare it to the gigabyte geforce rtx 2080 windforce 8gb oc, the performance difference is little to none but the price differences by 100 dollars. Please if anyone can help it would be greatly appreciated!

correct, and it's just for a factory overclock and maybe some higher binning

 

Imo not worth it

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why palit stormx ranked that low? The 1660 and 1660Ti StormX models have pretty decent cooling (effective heatsink) while their fans are not that loud at all, and they can be OC-d reasonably well. I guessed they should be around mid-level?

 

Where can other Gainward cards be? BC they are particularly cheap, so, I guess some cost-cutting.. Putting ASUS Dual to mid-range seems interesting: AFAIK the 1660Ti model is incredibly hot, often builds up heat above 80-84 degrees of C. Are the RTX models or earlier GTX10xx models better in terms of cooling? Because the 1660 Dual Asus is kind of a garbage.

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55 minutes ago, Vejnemojnen said:

palit stormx ranked that low? The 1660 and 1660Ti StormX models have pretty decent cooling (effective heatsink) while their fans are not that loud at all, and they can be OC-d reasonably well

I'll have to look into that, will come back to you about that later

 

56 minutes ago, Vejnemojnen said:

Where can other Gainward cards be?

gainward=palit

 

56 minutes ago, Vejnemojnen said:

Are the RTX models or earlier GTX10xx models better in terms of cooling?

yeah, not those temps for sure, I'll look into that one too

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Maybe on the 580 the Powercolor Red Dragon is low tier, but on the vega 56 it's a mid-top tier cooler along with the pulse. And ventus should be moved to low end, it has the lowest power limit for every class of Nvidia card.

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17 hours ago, hello_there_123 said:

Maybe on the 580 the Powercolor Red Dragon is low tier, but on the vega 56 it's a mid-top tier cooler along with the pulse

you know those are two different coolers, right?

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13 hours ago, LukeSavenije said:

you know those are two different coolers, right?

That was my point, you didn't put the red dragon for the vega 56 on the tier list anywhere. 

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Custom cooling not on the list like e.g. EkWB blocks etc?

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2 hours ago, TheNaitsyrk said:

Custom cooling not on the list like e.g. EkWB blocks etc?

When we were making the list we didn't think about including custom cooling. If you want I can try to get it added to the list for you.

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13 minutes ago, XR6 said:

When we were making the list we didn't think about including custom cooling. If you want I can try to get it added to the list for you.

Ye would be epic man. Still counts as liquid cooling after all. Like Sea Hawk X is one of them, EKWB custom blocks etc. 

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CPU: Intel Core i9 13900KS SP 116 (124P-102E) (6.1Ghz P-Cores 4.8Ghz E-cores) MC SP 88

CPU Voltage: LLC8 1.525V (real voltage 1.425V + - Temps 85-90 P-Cores, 70-73 E-cores)

Cooled by: Supercool Direct Die 14th gen full nickel

Motherboard: Z790 ASUS Maximus Apex Encore

RAM: GSkill TridentZ 2x24GB DDR5 8600Mhz CL38 (OC from 8000Mhz CL40)

GPU: RTX MSI 4090 Suprim X with EKWB waterblock

Case: My own case fabricated out of aluminium and wood

Storage: 4x 2TB Sarbent Rocket Plus Gen 4.0 NVMe, 1x External 2TB Seagate Barracuda (Backup)

WiFi: BE202 WiFi 7 Tri-Band card module

PSU: Corsair AX1600i with custom black and red cables with 2x Corsair 5V+ Load Balancer

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Fan Controllers:  6x AquaComputer Octo with 5 temperature sensors

Cooling: Three Custom Loops:

1st Loop: 5x 480mm XE CoolStream radiators with 1x Revo D5 RGB pump and 1x Rajintek Antila D5 Evo RGB pump for GPU only cooling with 2x Koolance QDC3, red coolant

2nd Loop: 5x 480mm XE CoolStream radiators with 1x Revo D5 RGB pump and 1x Rajintek Antila D5 Evo RGB pump for CPU only cooling with 2x Koolance QDC3, purple coolant

3rd Loop: 1x 240mm PE CoolStream radiator with 1x EKWB Revo D5 pump (RAM ONLY)

Total: 5x pumps and 13x radiators 50x 3000RPM Noctua Industrial fans

Keyboard: Razer BlackWidow V3 RGB - Green switches

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Mouse: Razer Basilisk Ultimate Wireless with charging dock

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I'd give the Asus Dual cooler design a solid D-. The heatsink is oriented in the wrong direction causing heat buildup, and the fans are a noisy joke. I fixed it though with a 3D printed air duct and a Noctua NF-F12 fan. The split in the air duct lets additional hot air get away from the heat sink.

The heat buildup is actually so bad that the PLA prototype melted from the air alone (and of course where it made contact with the heatsink). It survived far longer after the split was introduced, so the final unit has this design and is printed in ABS.

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I'll assume an update for Navi will come when more AIB's come out?

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1 minute ago, SenKa said:

I'll assume an update for Navi will come when more AIB's come out?

and when a lot of reviews are out, yeah

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Rocking my Tier D Founders Edition 1070

CPU: Ryzen 5 5600x  | GPU: GTX 1070 FE | RAM: TridentZ 16GB 3200MHz | Motherboard: Gigabyte B450 Aorus M | PSU: EVGA 650 B3 | STORAGE: Boot drive: Crucial MX500 1TB, Secondary drive: WD Blue 1TB hdd | CASE: Phanteks P350x | OS: Windows 10 | Monitor: Main: ASUS VP249QGR 144Hz, Secondary: Dell E2014h 1600x900

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