[OLD] PSU Tier List 3.0 (Legacy)

[LukeSavenije]

4 minutes ago, -The_Mask- said:

If you don't see it, then you shouldn't publish the next Tier list. Because it's gonna be yet another crappy list. Just first learn the basics. 

if you don't come with facts to prove me otherwise, i can't change it

[-The_Mask-]

You can't learn anything if someone always give you the answers and you just copy his answers.

 

Why not check it for yourself? 

 

Gambias Cyclops X1 1200P is an example of a great power supply. If you understand the basics, you will also see the others...

[LukeSavenije]

14 minutes ago, -The_Mask- said:

Why not check it for yourself? 

will do, give me some time

 

and as you told me to not blindly believe you, I'll add that x1 to my list as well

[Fasauceome]

3 hours ago, -The_Mask- said:

You can't learn anything if someone always give you the answers and you just copy his answers.

 

Why not check it for yourself? 

 

Gambias Cyclops X1 1200P is an example of a great power supply. If you understand the basics, you will also see the others...

He's just one guy, typing a huge compilation list largely by himself. Given that it's a community forum that we have here, what's the harm in sharing resources? And since you protest to the tier list on the grounds of its quality, why wouldn't you want to participate in increasing its quality?

[-The_Mask-]

1 minute ago, Fasauceome said:

He's just one guy, typing a huge compilation list largely by himself, given that it's a community forum that we have here, what's the harm in sharing resources? And since you protest to the tier list on the grounds of its quality, why wouldn't you want to participate in increasing its quality?

Because a tier list like this never works, it has been proven again and again. I've seen more than 10 and all were crap. The next list tier list will just prove my point. 

[Fasauceome]

4 minutes ago, -The_Mask- said:

Because a tier list like this never works, it has been proven again and again. I've seen more than 10 and all were crap. The next list tier list will just prove my point. 

You can't have your cake and eat it too. Either contribute to improving the quality or don't complain. With nothing constructive to add, it's best you move on. You're just clogging the discussion up with posts of "you're wrong" and "it's bad"

[LukeSavenije]

6 minutes ago, -The_Mask- said:

Because a tier list like this never works, it has been proven again and again. I've seen more than 10 and all were crap. The next list tier list will just prove my point. 

and I've seen guides that are outdated, lacked info, were straight up bs, had misconceptions in that, I've seen the same with misconception explanations, videos, everything. this isn't my first, nor my last project i work or worked on, if you didn't realize that. I'm not a psu guru, a reviewer, a professional, i don't get paid

 

I'm just a guy with free time on a public forum, who wants to help people, and with the criticism it isn't easy sometimes, but there are people that support it. thanks to those people

[Murasaki]

Lol really I thought waiting for EVGA's G3 lineup would be a good idea instead of getting G2. Now I have a "budget" psu and not a "high end" one.

Balls..

[LukeSavenije]

1 minute ago, Murasaki said:

Lol really I thought waiting for EVGA's G3 lineup would be a good idea instead of getting G2. Now I have a "budget" psu and not a "high end" one.

Balls..

it'll be even lower in other updates... evga fucked up at ocp and opp, way too high

[-The_Mask-]

39 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

You can't have your cake and eat it too. Either contribute to improving the quality or don't complain. With nothing constructive to add, it's best you move on. You're just clogging the discussion up with posts of "you're wrong" and "it's bad"

No I'm not, I just told you some facts that you didn't like. The whole idea of a tier list just doesn't work. It's only helping people to get more misinformation. I believe we need less misinformation not more.

 

39 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

and I've seen guides that are outdated, lacked info, were straight up bs, had misconceptions in that, I've seen the same with misconception explanations, videos, everything. this isn't my first, nor my last project i work or worked on, if you didn't realize that. I'm not a psu guru, a reviewer, a professional, i don't get paid

 

I'm just a guy with free time on a public forum, who wants to help people, and with the criticism it isn't easy sometimes, but there are people that support it. thanks to those people

The whole point is you don't help people with misinformation. Maybe the believe that in the first place because they don't know any better. But it's still not helping. 

[Fasauceome]

2 minutes ago, -The_Mask- said:

The whole idea of a tier list just doesn't work

even when we explain what the tiers involve? even when the guidelines can be understood so that people can make their own conclusions?

 

Are you a PSU specialist? 

[MEC-777]

5 minutes ago, -The_Mask- said:

No I'm not, I just told you some facts that you didn't like. The whole idea of a tier list just doesn't work. It's only helping people to get more misinformation. I believe we need less misinformation not more.

 

The whole point is you don't help people with misinformation. Maybe the believe that in the first place because they don't know any better. But it's still not helping. 

What do you propose we do as a guide to help people choose the best quality PSU they can afford without using a tier list?

[Zando_]

16 minutes ago, Murasaki said:

Lol really I thought waiting for EVGA's G3 lineup would be a good idea instead of getting G2. Now I have a "budget" psu and not a "high end" one.

Balls..

Eh you'll be fine still. The G2s are a bit nicer still than the G3s tru (I think the G5s were a flop too, worse than the G3s from reviews I've seen), but not worth buying a new PSU when your current one works. I've had the 550W, 650W, and 1000W ones and never had issues with them, running mostly 980 Tis, 1080s, SLI 1080s, and a Vega FE. The 1000W G3 is driving my folding rig rn (mostly because it's the only bigboi PSU I have free, and still much less overkill than the 1600W PSU I was using before). 

[FALC0N]

1 hour ago, -The_Mask- said:

Because a tier list like this never works, it has been proven again and again. I've seen more than 10 and all were crap. The next list tier list will just prove my point. 

 

1 hour ago, Fasauceome said:

You can't have your cake and eat it too. Either contribute to improving the quality or don't complain. With nothing constructive to add, it's best you move on. You're just clogging the discussion up with posts of "you're wrong" and "it's bad"

 

Actually, Mask has already contributed in a meaningful fashion.

 

 For example. A couple weeks back a kid was about to waste his money replacing his perfectly functioning Seasonic Focus because it was in Tier D.  Before he did so, he stumbled across one of Masks earlier criticisms of the list and realized that something was rotten in the state of Denmark.  He started asking deeper questions and we convinced him that the list was bunk, saving him $100.

 

Also, this forum is short on knowledgeable, experienced members, and long on group think.  Someone who is both knowledgeable and capable of drawing his own opinions should we welcomed. 

[FALC0N]

29 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

even when we explain what the tiers involve? even when the guidelines can be understood so that people can make their own conclusions?

 

Are you a PSU specialist? 

 

You might not want to ask a question you don't really want to know the answer to.  Let's just say that this is not the first place I have encountered him.  Mask is HIGHLY knowledgeable and being quite tactful in his critiques.

 

You guys tend to be dismissive of people with much more knowledge and experience than yourselves.  You might want to rethink that approach.

[Fasauceome]

1 minute ago, FALC0N said:

 

You might not want to ask a question you don't really want to know the answer to.  Let's just say that this is not the first place I have encountered him.  Mask is HIGHLY knowledgeable and being quite tactful in his critiques.

 

You guys tend to be dismissive of people with much more knowledge and experience than yourselves.  You might want to rethink that approach.

no, I know that this user has been involved with PSU forum materials before. I wanted point out that the fact that he's done a PSU buying guide makes his entire response hypocritical, because through this he has ranked PSUs subjectively against one another and therefore worked to the same end as this very tier list.

[Zando_]

18 minutes ago, FALC0N said:

lso, this forum is short on knowledgeable, experienced members, and long on group think.  Someone who is both knowledgeable and capable of drawing his own opinions should we welcomed. 

Doubt they'll do that. Persecuted JonnyGuru (a very experience PSU guy) till he took a decently long hiatus from the forums, they've had other extremely knowledgeable guys come here and critique the list and even point out blatant plagiarism in some parts of it, nothing seems to have come of it. I guess this tier list could be compared to UserBenchmark. Decent for a loose ballpark number, not a rock solid source. 

I'm still reee-ing at the fact that they demand certain tests in order to prove a PSU is good, the T2 passed all those tests, only losing to the AXi, yet it's on a lower tier than the AXi and sorted behind the GQ and such which are lower end PSUs. The argumant is that it's single rail and will blow or something, but these PSUs were commonly used in mining rigs running a stack of Vega cards which have very high... transient I think it is? Transient spikes or whatever, V56s can jump to 600W for milliseconds. These PSUs ran like 8+ of them at 100% load 24/7 and I haven't seen anyone complaining their PSU kept blowing up. 

[MEC-777]

2 minutes ago, FALC0N said:

 

You might not want to ask a question you don't really want to know the answer to.  Let's just say that this is not the first place I have encountered him.  Mask is HIGHLY knowledgeable and being quite tactful in his critiques.

 

You guys tend to be dismissive of people with much more knowledge and experience than yourselves.  You might want to rethink that approach.

Some are critical without really bringing "substance" to the conversation. There have been numerous people involved in creating, updating and compiling this list, not just one person. Many of those people are quite knowledgeable in their own rights and specifics.

 

Criticism is always welcome, especially if they are knowledgeable and if it will help improve the organization of this information.

 

That's why I asked Mask what he proposes in-place of a tier list to help guide people to make the best purchase. Tier lists are meant to simplify the information for those less-informed. So how does he propose we make this more simplified? I'm genuinely interested to hear his response.

[MEC-777]

6 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

I'm still reee-ing at the fact that they demand certain tests in order to prove a PSU is good, the T2 passed all those tests, only losing to the AXi, yet it's on a lower tier than the AXi and sorted behind the GQ and such which are lower end PSUs. The argumant is that it's single rail and will blow or something, but these PSUs were commonly used in mining rigs running a stack of Vega cards which have very high... transient I think it is? Transient spikes or whatever, V56s can jump to 600W for milliseconds. These PSUs ran like 8+ of them at 100% load 24/7 and I haven't seen anyone complaining their PSU kept blowing up. 

I can't speak of the T2 vs AXi, but I can speak of the potential issues of having a single rail on high-wattage unit and about mining.

 

If you have a short with a single rail on a high-wattage unit, the OCP may not trigger quick enough (or at all) before significant damage is done. It's a potential fire hazard, in short. In a high-wattage multi-rail unit, the OCP is per rail and set lower. If there's a short, the OCP is triggered on that rail and far less damage is done.

 

With regards to mining, knowledgeable miners don't run their GPUs at full power limit. They have to be optimized for the particular currency they're mining and most usually do better with the memory overclocked but the power limit significantly reduced (like down to 60% or so). This significantly drops the power draw of each card, produces less heat, all while maintaining or increasing the hashrate over simply running the cards at "stock" settings. This is how they're able to run so many GPUs mining from somewhat no-so-great PSUs. They aren't gaming and the cards are running at reduced power, thus they don't have those huge momentary draw spikes.

[LukeSavenije]

22 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

I'm still reee-ing at the fact that they demand certain tests in order to prove a PSU is good, the T2 passed all those tests, only losing to the AXi

yes, you're to your right here

 

the t2 is great in testing, but doesn't meet requirements

 

the whole call was to make the list less subjective, so I've set up requirements to show I'm not doing it in random order. this is why units like the t2 and prime are in tier a.

 

and as i explained a couple times, it's mostly if uvp fails, and the rail drops, which at that much current would burn through the cables. again a rare, but certainly possible case

[LukeSavenije]

and for everyone a second chance, i present you: the gx

[Tadej Danev]

FOCUS GX-550 or? Please more pics or some review.....thanks

[LukeSavenije]

Just now, Tadej Danev said:

FOCUS GX-550 or? Please more pics or some review.....thanks

650

 

i just got it in, so no reviews just yet

 

but since you asked, have another

[mxk]

is the g5 going to be on here?

 

[LukeSavenije]

1 hour ago, mxk said:

is the g5 going to be on here?

 

it is

 

we're currently debating to split it up, as the 1000 failed in ripple testing at 110% on 3.3 and 5vsb