[OLD] PSU Tier List 3.0 (Legacy)

[LukeSavenije]

1 minute ago, hollyh88 said:

i mean 2080ti i suppose

as one of them, yes. 1080 ti, 970 strix, vega and vii has shown to be able to do it as well

[Energycore]

Took long enough for someone to finally come up with GAMING Power Supplies.

 

/s

[LukeSavenije]

11 minutes ago, Energycore said:

GAMING Power Supplies.

don't worry, the thor has been out for much longer

[Energycore]

Thoughts on the very cheap S12III. It's cheap, so it piques my interest. And it's Seasonic, so it's 50% to trigger @LukeSavenije

[LukeSavenije]

4 minutes ago, Energycore said:

Thoughts on the very cheap S12III. It's cheap, so it piques my interest. And it's Seasonic, so it's 50% to trigger @LukeSavenije

double mag amp, so I'd say yes around 25, no if much higher priced

[hello_there_123]

@Energycore Tier C, most likely. Though it would be near the top of that tier.

[LukeSavenije]

1 minute ago, hello_there_123 said:

@Energycore Tier C, most likely. Though it would be near the top of that tier.

it's one of those basic system PSUs that are worth it for like 25 bucks or so... not much more like the 45 it's going for rn

[LienusLateTips]

We're planning to overhaul the whole thing. The structure that I support is 

 

Tier A+

Tier A

Tier B+

Tier B

Tier C

Tier D

 

For the record, I proposed this back in 2017 (and made a list, which I posted), but it was written off as the STRM tier list was in dominance at that time.

[LienusLateTips]

There's been a ton of internal arguing over the past few days. Please do bear with us.

 

We're planning to do a more beginner friendly explanation thread for the tier list. If you want to contribute, feel free to DM Luke, if he feels you're qualified he'll add you to the chat.

[Spotty]

10 hours ago, flibberdipper said:

Well you see, instead of regurgitating on-paper bullshit and just going "I like this one more so it goes here" you buy the equipment, get the power supplies, and actually put them through the ringer.

Testing PSUs is not as simple as testing a graphics card where you can just run 3DMark and plot some graphs. @LukeSavenije is right, it's not practical for someone to spend ten's of thousands on the equipment required to test PSUs, as well as the PSUs themselves, just to make a "Tier List" for a forum. There's currently over 100 PSU models listed in the Tier List. To test each model individually would require spending thousands of dollars on units and hundreds of hours of testing, and that's assuming people even have the knowledge to be able to test & review PSUs properly.

Are you willing to invest your life savings buying testing equipment and PSUs to test as well as quit your job to work full time as a PSU reviewer just to make a basic list for a forum - and do all of that for free? There's a reason that enthusiast made lists like these are simply aggregates of information from professional reviews.

The problem I see isn't necessarily in how the list is made, the problem is how people on the forum overvalue this list.
I find it very disappointing the way people go around posting "CheCk ThE PsU TiEr LiST!" any time someone asks about PSUs, or worse; when arguing about which PSU is better and thinking the PSU tier list is a definitive answer. Heck, I've seen people ask for help deciding between two different PSUs only to be told to "Check the PSU tier list!", when the two PSU's they've asked about are in the same damn tier!
 

When someone asks for help on PSUs, instead of someone saying "check the PSU tier list" when they don't have an actual answer to provide, I would actually rather someone reply with something completely stupid and wrong, like saying "You should buy the EVGA N1 700W because higher wattage is better and it will be more efficient because PSUs are most efficient at 50% load"... At least then you can have a discussion and explain why what they said is incorrect and hopefully educate them, or if they're not prepared to listen then maybe at least someone else who happens to read the discussion can learn something from it.

 

PSU tier lists like this should really only be helpful to someone who doesn't have an understanding of or interest in PSUs and is presented with a few options at their local Best Buy or on Newegg and they just need to quickly know whether to buy the EVGA N1 700W or the Corsair CX550. They can check the list, see that the CX550 is ranked higher, they buy that and slap it in their rig and never think about it again. That's really about it. You could probably simplify the tier list in to two categories "Buy" and "Don't buy" and it will still serve the same purpose. If you're expecting anything more from the PSU Tier List you're probably expecting too much.

 

10 hours ago, Zando Bob said:

I'm pretty sure JonnyGuru has all or most of that and has been testing PSUs for.

JonnyGuru is currently working for Corsair's PSU division. You wouldn't expect BMW's head of engineering to review a Toyota.

[LogicWeasel]

10 hours ago, flibberdipper said:

So then don't spew hot garbage when you're clearly not capable of doing a tier list correctly. Not that hard.

This just comes off as whiny and entitled.  If you have expertise to contribute, by all means add to the discussion but if you cannot do it better it seems odd that you came in here just to berate people about a tier list.  The fact that you think it's trivial to review a PSU and forum users should be required to do so without it being a full-on job just telegraphs a lack of understanding.  Who are you to criticize?

[LienusLateTips]

 

[hollyh88]

13 hours ago, LukeSavenije said:

as one of them, yes. 1080 ti, 970 strix, vega and vii has shown to be able to do it as well

im surprised the 970 can do such a thing haha. vega cards have been known to  be powerhungry. but peaking a 850 watt psu? what did they do wrong on those gpus hahaha

[LukeSavenije]

40 minutes ago, hollyh88 said:

what did they do wrong on those gpus hahaha

ocp or opp too sensitive really

[clinteastwood]

Is the Thermaltake Smart series 600w 80+ gold also in D tier?  Anyone know a detailed review of it?  This one.  https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16817153395?Description=Thermaltake 600w gold&cm_re=Thermaltake_600w_gold-_-17-153-395-_-Product

[flibberdipper]

 

14 hours ago, LogicWeasel said:

This just comes off as whiny and entitled.  If you have expertise to contribute, by all means add to the discussion but if you cannot do it better it seems odd that you came in here just to berate people about a tier list.  The fact that you think it's trivial to review a PSU and forum users should be required to do so without it being a full-on job just telegraphs a lack of understanding.  Who are you to criticize?

Do tell me how it makes sense to have RMi and AXi in the same group while also being ranked above T2 and P2. I am all fucking ears as to how this isn't a bonehead power play.

 

The fact that this is the case tells me the people who came up with this are either complete tools or godtier fanboys.

 

14 hours ago, Spotty said:

 If you're expecting anything more from the PSU Tier List you're probably expecting too much.

This ties in fantastic to what I said above. I'm not exactly expecting retarded levels of perfection, I'm just expecting that the list doesn't have dimwitted rankings.

 

And the whole me bitching about buying the shit to do it yourself was quite clearly a literal answer to what luke said. Didn't think that it was hard to figure out that I don't actually expect it considering context was quite literally right in front of you but you do you I guess.

[LukeSavenije]

44 minutes ago, flibberdipper said:

godtier fanboys.

prove me that you're not a superflower fanboy then

[seon123]

47 minutes ago, flibberdipper said:

Do tell me how it makes sense to have RMi and AXi in the same group while also being ranked above T2 and P2

While the AXi is definitely a better PSU, at some point, it will completely stop making a difference to people that need the aid of the tier list. If you really care enough about the difference, then I don't see why you would even care about where they are on a tier list. 

The T2 and P2 both seem to lack OTP and multi rail OCP, while the RMi has both. If a PSU should be considered among the best of the best, don't you think it should have all the protections, as well as performing well?

Of course, asking is also an option, this is a forum. That's the best way to get the best available option, as the list does not take into account the local price of the PSU, or the noise. 

[OrionFOTL]

1 hour ago, clinteastwood said:

Is the Thermaltake Smart series 600w 80+ gold also in D tier?  Anyone know a detailed review of it?  This one.  https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16817153395?Description=Thermaltake 600w gold&cm_re=Thermaltake_600w_gold-_-17-153-395-_-Product

There are many, many sub-series of Thermaltake Smart, and dozens, dozens of very different PSUs that have the word "Smart" somewhere in the name. Some are totally budget, some are mid end, some are actually decent with very modern technology.

It is best to ignore the entry for "Thermaltake Smart" in this list, since this is just like grouping every "GeForce GTX" card in the same performance category.

 

This particular Thermaltake Smart uses the CWT GPS platform inside, which achieves good performance and modern technology that doesn't have problems with high end components. The same design is used in Deepcool ST, new DQ-M, Thermaltake Smart DPS G, and also Enermax Revolution X't II.

The performance is good, but the protections and noise were never tested in detail, and Thermaltake could have also skimped on the quality of the internal components.

[flibberdipper]

2 hours ago, LukeSavenije said:

prove me that you're not a superflower fanboy then

Considering I don't own a single SF made unit, I'd say that's a pretty good start.

 

I also don't plan on ranking them above equally good units from other manufacturers just because I can, so that's a thing too.

[LukeSavenije]

11 minutes ago, flibberdipper said:

Considering I don't own a single SF made unit, I'd say that's a pretty good start.

well, then it's just funny you start talking about sf compared to others...

 

12 minutes ago, flibberdipper said:

also don't plan on ranking them above equally good units from other manufacturers just because I can, so that's a thing too.

ah, you're going to try and feel what hours of work feels like? not just complaining on whatever.

 

and for the notice, i have one mechanical keyboard, with outemu blues... guess I'm a keyboard tester now

[flibberdipper]

24 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

well, then it's just funny you start talking about sf compared to others...

Can't say I really cared about shit being SF. It's an obvious retard placement, so it was pointed out. Common sense is hard.

 

24 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

ah, you're going to try and feel what hours of work feels like? not just complaining on whatever.

Was an example smartass. Again, common sense is hard. Can't say I'd want to work on this in the first place with your ego in the mix either.

[LukeSavenije]

2 minutes ago, flibberdipper said:

I'd want to work on this in the first place with your ego in the mix either.

so calling a hardworked project with a core of good info you're too stubborn to understand for is hot garbage? because I'm 17 i can just get a ee diploma real quick, buy over some atx compatible load tester and go test 200 PSUs?

 

I don't think I'm the one without common sense or attitude, i just act bitchy when i think people deserve it

[flibberdipper]

2 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

so calling a hardworked project with a core of good info you're too stubborn to understand for is hot garbage? because I'm 17 i can just get a ee diploma real quick, buy over some atx compatible load tester and go test 200 PSUs?

 

I don't think I'm the one without common sense or attitude, i just act bitchy when i think people deserve it

Once again, common sense is extremely hard. Quite clearly it's taking the piss out of it. Try again, get shot down again. It'd be my pleasure.

[LukeSavenije]

1 minute ago, flibberdipper said:

Once again, common sense is extremely hard. Quite clearly it's taking the piss out of it.

well, I'm busy with some concepts now... so i don't see why you should keep complaining

 

well, goodbye, i have better things to do