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Posted · Original PosterOP
49 minutes ago, TheBiggestOfBuschemis said:

@LienusLateTips So I never really got an answer regarding my question on the 650W Seasonic Prime ULTRA mentioned in the S category of the list. Are both the titanium and gold versions in the S category or is it just the titanium version that'a considered to be of that category?

All are in S, only 550/650


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17 hours ago, komi1997 said:

just get Pure Power 11, no need for zero RPM mode when it uses $25-30 fan(Silent Wings 3) limited to 900ish RPM

Looks good but it's expensive, over $100 for the 500w version.

17 hours ago, LukeSavenije said:

that's because there's no issue between those combinations, except for the riple on the later revision

 

i'd suggest to read this:

 

I'd have no idea there was anything wrong with those based on the fier list. Looking at it some more there's the Corsair Vengeance 80+ Silver with a 0 rpm mode for $74.99, that seems to be the cheapest non Seasonic psu with that feature.

12 hours ago, ThoughtA said:

What would be the requested feature/improvement here? @Quickshot Gaming

I guess a filter for 0 rpm mode psu's, there's one for fanless currently.

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9 minutes ago, Quickshot Gaming said:

 

and just so I've said it, rather a good fan than a cheap fan and 0 rpm mode


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CPU: I5-8600k 5.0ghz

GPU: GTX 1070 ti EVGA SC Gaming

RAM: 2x8 3333 mhz DDR4 Trident Z

MOBO: MSI Gaming Pro Carbon AC

HDD: 1 TB 7200 RPM Seagate Baracudda, 1 TB 5400 RPM Samsung Spinpoint HD103SI

SSD: Samsung 860 EVO 500 GB

Case: Cooler Master Masterbox Lite 5 RGB (modified)

PSU: Seasonic Focus GX650

 

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just to add coolermaster masterwatt is the cheapest 0rpm mode in my country at least. Dont know thought how well it works (probably not very well).

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10 minutes ago, grmaster said:

just to add coolermaster masterwatt is the cheapest 0rpm mode in my country at least. Dont know thought how well it works (probably not very well).

it's rather loud after it sets out of that mode


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Primary PC:

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CPU: I5-8600k 5.0ghz

GPU: GTX 1070 ti EVGA SC Gaming

RAM: 2x8 3333 mhz DDR4 Trident Z

MOBO: MSI Gaming Pro Carbon AC

HDD: 1 TB 7200 RPM Seagate Baracudda, 1 TB 5400 RPM Samsung Spinpoint HD103SI

SSD: Samsung 860 EVO 500 GB

Case: Cooler Master Masterbox Lite 5 RGB (modified)

PSU: Seasonic Focus GX650

 

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3 hours ago, Quickshot Gaming said:

 

Looks good but it's expensive, over $100 for the 500w version.

Hmmm, that is high, friend bought 600W one for $80 when you convert it from Euros(from Hungary with 27% VAT) to replace his 2nd MWE Gold 550W Fully Modular that had coilwhine, first one he got replacement when he RMA'd it, now he doesn't want to get another one with coil-whine so he bough Pure Power 11 instead, he'd be fine with less W, he only got R7 1700 OC and RX580 but it was 2-3 euros difference compared to 500W, so no big deal

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Going to build TR 1900x(for PCIe lanes) and 2080Ti system soon for a friend, he will put another 2080Ti in it later, how much W do he need, 850 or 1000 for everything stock?

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So, I've been away from the PSU world for just over a year.

 

What's new?


We have a NEW and GLORIOUSER PSU Tier List Now.

 

You can check out the old one that gave joy to so many across the land here

 

Computer having a hard time powering on? Troubleshoot it with this guide. (Currently looking for suggestions to update it into the context of <current year> and make it its own thread)

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Computerarmor: CM Elite 360 (Moddded to all hell by now)

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47 minutes ago, Energycore said:

So, I've been away from the PSU world for just over a year.

 

What's new?

Focus is bad now.

 

EVGA has released about a million new units (G5 coming soon!)

 

That's about everything major.


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3 hours ago, Energycore said:

So, I've been away from the PSU world for just over a year.

 

What's new?

we got this list now, g3 is bad, focus is bad, the s12iii is still not worth your money, bitfenix can make decent PSUs, ax1600i is still the best around, seasonic is still on single rail, i started working in this subforum and spotty became mod in it

 

so... the usual


PSU Tier List 4.0//Motherboard Tier List//Community Standards//ATX Specification//Group Regulation//Topologies and Regulations//How many watts?//PSU Protections

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Primary PC:

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CPU: I5-8600k 5.0ghz

GPU: GTX 1070 ti EVGA SC Gaming

RAM: 2x8 3333 mhz DDR4 Trident Z

MOBO: MSI Gaming Pro Carbon AC

HDD: 1 TB 7200 RPM Seagate Baracudda, 1 TB 5400 RPM Samsung Spinpoint HD103SI

SSD: Samsung 860 EVO 500 GB

Case: Cooler Master Masterbox Lite 5 RGB (modified)

PSU: Seasonic Focus GX650

 

Consoles:

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11 hours ago, LukeSavenije said:

 focus

Did you have a response for my questions about why the reviews of the most recent Focus units don't show ripple issues?  I just want to understand why the belief is held so strong that even the newer Focus units that don't have issues with GPUs are considered horrible (when the only link in your thread about the focus is not in English and deals with an edge-case and not just standard GPU use).  Also @LienusLateTips

I simply don't get it; based on major review sites the units look just fine (not failing major tests like the EVGA G3 issues that I do see the reasoning for).  I feel like it's wrong to malign a PSU that other reviewers seem to show is fine.

 

May 2019 Review - https://www.anandtech.com/show/14338/the-seasonic-focus-plus-gold-750fx-750w-psu-review
July 2018 Review (no ripple flaws noted) - https://www.hardocp.com/article/2018/07/24/seasonic_focus_plus_gold_650w_power_supply_review/8

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1 minute ago, LogicWeasel said:

Did you have a response for my questions about why the reviews of the most recent Focus units don't show ripple issues?

well... i don't know

 

but seasonic has had enough reason to make a new one, and they did

 

we just can't buy it yet


PSU Tier List 4.0//Motherboard Tier List//Community Standards//ATX Specification//Group Regulation//Topologies and Regulations//How many watts?//PSU Protections

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Primary PC:

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CPU: I5-8600k 5.0ghz

GPU: GTX 1070 ti EVGA SC Gaming

RAM: 2x8 3333 mhz DDR4 Trident Z

MOBO: MSI Gaming Pro Carbon AC

HDD: 1 TB 7200 RPM Seagate Baracudda, 1 TB 5400 RPM Samsung Spinpoint HD103SI

SSD: Samsung 860 EVO 500 GB

Case: Cooler Master Masterbox Lite 5 RGB (modified)

PSU: Seasonic Focus GX650

 

Consoles:

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PS4 Slim Glacier White 500 GB

PS4 FTP Special Edition 500 GB

PS3 Super Slim 500 GB

PS2 OG

Xbox OG

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DSI XL Orange

Gameboy Advanced Color

PS Vita v2

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4 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

well... i don't know

 

but seasonic has had enough reason to make a new one, and they did

 

we just can't buy it yet

Ok, well then I suggest it's not quite fair to malign a whole product stack based on sins of the past.  I'm all for warning fellow forum members away from older, bad PSUs, but if the newer Focus Plus Golds are good perhaps it's not fair to keep saying: "every focus is bad, get a (random example:) cooler master MWE bronze instead even if same price"

 

edit:

"we just can't buy it yet"  - The reviews are out for the product?  They said it's not trash, quite the opposite really.  What are "we" waiting on?

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1 minute ago, LogicWeasel said:

Ok, well then I suggest it's not quite fair to malign a whole product stack based on sins of the past.  I'm all for warning fellow forum members away from older, bad PSUs, but if the newer Focus Plus Golds are good perhaps it's not fair to keep saying: "every focus is bad, get a (random example:) cooler master MWE bronze instead even if same price" 

i would never say that, but i would recommend a whisper for example over it all day

 

and like... mwe isn't even dc-dc

 

but yeah, we'll see how the new focus goes, the sfx-l doesn't seem to have had any problems so far


PSU Tier List 4.0//Motherboard Tier List//Community Standards//ATX Specification//Group Regulation//Topologies and Regulations//How many watts?//PSU Protections

Don't forget to quote or mention me

 

Primary PC:

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CPU: I5-8600k 5.0ghz

GPU: GTX 1070 ti EVGA SC Gaming

RAM: 2x8 3333 mhz DDR4 Trident Z

MOBO: MSI Gaming Pro Carbon AC

HDD: 1 TB 7200 RPM Seagate Baracudda, 1 TB 5400 RPM Samsung Spinpoint HD103SI

SSD: Samsung 860 EVO 500 GB

Case: Cooler Master Masterbox Lite 5 RGB (modified)

PSU: Seasonic Focus GX650

 

Consoles:

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PS4 Slim Glacier White 500 GB

PS4 FTP Special Edition 500 GB

PS3 Super Slim 500 GB

PS2 OG

Xbox OG

DS Lite White

DS Lite Black/blue

DS Lite Blue

DSI XL Orange

Gameboy Advanced Color

PS Vita v2

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1 minute ago, LukeSavenije said:

i would never say that, but i would recommend a whisper for example over it all day

That's fine, and for the fan alone I can see why.  But if the whisper is more expensive or not available, or if the consumer wants it modular and affordable, there are a few reasons that lean the other way.  I just point this thing out because you said quote: "focus is bad" and not something like "previous focus model were bad"

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1 minute ago, LogicWeasel said:

I just point this thing out because you said quote: "focus is bad" and not something like "previous focus model were bad"

because the "previous" models haven't been officially replaced yet, so they still count as current models

 

then again, i want to see reviews before i change my claims


PSU Tier List 4.0//Motherboard Tier List//Community Standards//ATX Specification//Group Regulation//Topologies and Regulations//How many watts?//PSU Protections

Don't forget to quote or mention me

 

Primary PC:

Spoiler

CPU: I5-8600k 5.0ghz

GPU: GTX 1070 ti EVGA SC Gaming

RAM: 2x8 3333 mhz DDR4 Trident Z

MOBO: MSI Gaming Pro Carbon AC

HDD: 1 TB 7200 RPM Seagate Baracudda, 1 TB 5400 RPM Samsung Spinpoint HD103SI

SSD: Samsung 860 EVO 500 GB

Case: Cooler Master Masterbox Lite 5 RGB (modified)

PSU: Seasonic Focus GX650

 

Consoles:

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PS4 Slim Glacier White 500 GB

PS4 FTP Special Edition 500 GB

PS3 Super Slim 500 GB

PS2 OG

Xbox OG

DS Lite White

DS Lite Black/blue

DS Lite Blue

DSI XL Orange

Gameboy Advanced Color

PS Vita v2

Wii

 

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6 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

then again, i want to see reviews before i change my claims

I suspect that with no change in branding it's very easy to not know which version a unit is.  This review unit that Oklahoma Wolf reviewed (link below) is suspected to be the version 1 that had issues shutting off with certain GPUs yes?  Which is what wasn't seen by the otherwise spotless review from Aug 2017?

 

https://www.jonnyguru.com/blog/2017/08/21/seasonic-focus-plus-550-gold-power-supply/6/

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2 minutes ago, LogicWeasel said:

I suspect that with no change in branding it's very easy to not know which version a unit is.  This review unit that Oklahoma Wolf reviewed (link below) is suspected to be the version 1 that had issues shutting off with certain GPUs yes?  Which is what wasn't seen by the otherwise spotless review from Aug 2017?

 

https://www.jonnyguru.com/blog/2017/08/21/seasonic-focus-plus-550-gold-power-supply/6/

jonnyguru/wolf,s tests are quite outdated in modern times.. back in the days when ripple/voltage regulation was absymal on low end units , nowadays even the low end EVgas or seasonic etc will show decent voltage reg (provdied all the rails have a load , which wolf is doing here) and ripple. usually where the manufacturer cheaps out is on noise (since most psu reviewers dont test noise) , protections , transients reponse , and just build quality in general. 

 

That being said Wolf only put the psu under 550w max on 12v which it was rated for , while the pceva article stated that at 120% load above the psu rate d wattage (900W put on the 750w rated unit) the Psu had 268Mv of ripple.

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4 minutes ago, hello_there_123 said:

the pceva article stated that at 120% load above the psu rate d wattage (900W put on the 750w rated unit) the Psu had 268Mv of ripple.

Noted.  My question then is: how likely is that to matter to the consumer who buys the PSU and runs a 650W Focus Plus gold with their RTX 2080 graphics card?  How often does the avg gaming computer try to draw 120% of the load of a decent (550-750W) PSU?

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Just now, LogicWeasel said:

Noted.  My question then is: how likely is that to matter to the consumer who buys the PSU and runs a 650W Focus Plus gold with their RTX 2080 graphics card?  How often does the avg gaming computer try to draw 120% of the load of a decent PSU?

the focus,s ripple problem mainly applies to GPUs with high transient peaks , aka x80ti/vega cards... rtx 2080 should run completely fine on a 2080 

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1 minute ago, LogicWeasel said:

How often does the avg gaming computer try to draw 120% of the load of a decent PSU?

for the notice, 2080 isn't as high peak power, so I'll take a vega 64 in my example here

 

the old psu would shut down at loads that cause high ripple now, so wouldn't that be a problem? and like, average joe doesn't notices it, so it's better that we warn him. i don't see anything wrong with that


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Primary PC:

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CPU: I5-8600k 5.0ghz

GPU: GTX 1070 ti EVGA SC Gaming

RAM: 2x8 3333 mhz DDR4 Trident Z

MOBO: MSI Gaming Pro Carbon AC

HDD: 1 TB 7200 RPM Seagate Baracudda, 1 TB 5400 RPM Samsung Spinpoint HD103SI

SSD: Samsung 860 EVO 500 GB

Case: Cooler Master Masterbox Lite 5 RGB (modified)

PSU: Seasonic Focus GX650

 

Consoles:

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PS4 Slim Glacier White 500 GB

PS4 FTP Special Edition 500 GB

PS3 Super Slim 500 GB

PS2 OG

Xbox OG

DS Lite White

DS Lite Black/blue

DS Lite Blue

DSI XL Orange

Gameboy Advanced Color

PS Vita v2

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6 minutes ago, Biggerboot said:

At least that seems to be the case in the US.  Maybe those trade tariffs are kicking in?

I've heard a while back that they were about to

 

I'll just mention @jonnyGURU to check here


PSU Tier List 4.0//Motherboard Tier List//Community Standards//ATX Specification//Group Regulation//Topologies and Regulations//How many watts?//PSU Protections

Don't forget to quote or mention me

 

Primary PC:

Spoiler

CPU: I5-8600k 5.0ghz

GPU: GTX 1070 ti EVGA SC Gaming

RAM: 2x8 3333 mhz DDR4 Trident Z

MOBO: MSI Gaming Pro Carbon AC

HDD: 1 TB 7200 RPM Seagate Baracudda, 1 TB 5400 RPM Samsung Spinpoint HD103SI

SSD: Samsung 860 EVO 500 GB

Case: Cooler Master Masterbox Lite 5 RGB (modified)

PSU: Seasonic Focus GX650

 

Consoles:

Spoiler

PS4 Slim Glacier White 500 GB

PS4 FTP Special Edition 500 GB

PS3 Super Slim 500 GB

PS2 OG

Xbox OG

DS Lite White

DS Lite Black/blue

DS Lite Blue

DSI XL Orange

Gameboy Advanced Color

PS Vita v2

Wii

 

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Posted · Original PosterOP

The Focus will not be elevated until I have seen a review with full protections testing of the new units. Final decision.

 

With the Focus the main issue is that there are always similar or better units for the same price


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Intel Core™ i7-8700K (Won at LTX, signed by Dennis) | 16GB G.Skill Ripjaws V DDR4-3200 | GIGABYTE Z370 AORUS GAMING 5 | Sapphire NITRO+ AMD RX VEGA 64 | NZXT H510 | GIGABYTE G750H PSU | MasterLiquid ML240L

 

Pacific Spirit XT - Server

AMD FX-8120 | Asus M5A97 | 16GB Kingston HyperX DDR3-1866 | ASUS DirectCUII HD 7970 3G | Define C TG | Corsair CX450M | Hyper 212 Black RGB Edition

 

Daily Driver Laptop (HP Elitebook 850 G2)/Gaming Laptop (Legion Y7000)

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Elitebook: i7 5500U | 8GB DDR3L-1333 | 500GB SAMSUNG 860 Evo | AMD R7 M260 (I found this in a garbage bin at the airport)

Legion: i5 8300H | 16GB RAM | 256GB SSD | 1TB HDD | 1050 Ti | Power Brick (Not often used anymore, only for travelling)


 

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