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1 minute ago, Vejnemojnen said:

Which software did you use dialling in the voltage and power target?

only what AMD Provided.

And the Wattman Panel is awesome. 

There really is no reason to use anything else.

 

1 minute ago, Vejnemojnen said:

Nice job! I always tell people, that there is no need to get hweeege PSU-s for Vega56 or Radeon RX580, just have to fine-tune the voltage&power.

V56 might actually eventually work without modifications though can't say for certain as I don't have a V56 but a V64...


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1 minute ago, trevb0t said:

Hey guys, I'm seeing this Inwin Commander 3 on pcpartpicker. I see the classic series on the list, but no other from this brand. Curious what I'm looking at here!

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/XwLypg/inwin-power-supply-commanderiii800

never heard of powerman before...


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3 hours ago, Vejnemojnen said:

I always tell people, that there is no need to get hweeege PSU-s for Vega56 or Radeon RX580

Are there people who think the RX 580 uses a lot of power?  It's certainly not the voltage guzzler that the Vega 64 (or BIOS-modded Vega 56).  I presume that the RX 580 isn't the kind of GPU that gives some PSUs issues like single-rail or OCP tripping? (I used to own an RX 480 that always seemed light on power use, it's not a real high-end card I consider it more of a high mid-range GPU).

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6 minutes ago, trevb0t said:

Hey guys, I'm seeing this Inwin Commander 3 on pcpartpicker. I see the classic series on the list, but no other from this brand. Curious what I'm looking at here!

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/XwLypg/inwin-power-supply-commanderiii800

Not worth your money, it's amperage on 12v rail can be insufficient for what a card like the Vega64 or Radeon 7 requires for proper work, wattage in this matter is meaningless.

Considering this tries to look like a viable higher end product you're still better served with something like the Corsair TX750M if you need this amount of wattage for similar or sometimes even bit cheaper price point.


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1 minute ago, LogicWeasel said:

Are there people who think the RX 580 uses a lot of power?  It's certainly not the voltage guzzler that the Vega 64 (or BIOS-modded Vega 56).  I presume that the RX 580 isn't the kind of GPU that gives some PSUs issues like single-rail or OCP tripping? (I used to own an RX 480 that always seemed light on power use, it's not a real high-end card I consider it more of a high mid-range GPU).

I can run some actuals on my Powercolor 580 8GB once I'm off work tonight. (pretty low end cooling model, so it would be a worst case look, I imagine.)

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10 minutes ago, trevb0t said:

Hey guys, I'm seeing this Inwin Commander 3 on pcpartpicker. I see the classic series on the list, but no other from this brand. Curious what I'm looking at here!

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/XwLypg/inwin-power-supply-commanderiii800

https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/5098/inwin_commander_iii_800w_80_plus_gold_power_supply_review/index.html reivew of this wasn't that hard to find.

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1 minute ago, Princess Cadence said:

Not worth your money, it's amperage on 12v rail can be insufficient for what a card like the Vega64 or Radeon 7 requires for proper work, wattage in this matter is meaningless.

Considering this tries to look like a viable higher end product you're still better served with something like the Corsair TX750M if you need this amount of wattage for similar or sometimes even bit cheaper price point.

I just thought for a brand that I've never seen to be listed at a higher price than like... Bitfenix Gold was strange. Got curious.

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1 hour ago, LogicWeasel said:

Are there people who think the RX 580 uses a lot of power?  It's certainly not the voltage guzzler that the Vega 64 (or BIOS-modded Vega 56).  I presume that the RX 580 isn't the kind of GPU that gives some PSUs issues like single-rail or OCP tripping? (I used to own an RX 480 that always seemed light on power use, it's not a real high-end card I consider it more of a high mid-range GPU).

A mate has Sapphire Pulse RX580, and, with factory voltage-power settings, it could produce bursts with more than 210w power draw. With a little tweak it consumes at most ~150w-s.


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1 hour ago, trevb0t said:

Hey guys, I'm seeing this Inwin Commander 3 on pcpartpicker. I see the classic series on the list, but no other from this brand. Curious what I'm looking at here!

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/XwLypg/inwin-power-supply-commanderiii800

An old thing that might or might not be discontinued or soon.

Here in Germany the 600W seems to be available but at ~110€ or so.

FOr that I can get some Platinum. And way better units at similar wattages are way cheaper.

1 hour ago, LukeSavenije said:

never heard of powerman before...

Yeah, they are rather small. I don't think about them too much either.

 

But some are decent, some are *ARGH*.

Like the GreenME...

Its a pretty neat plattform.

Has Quad Rail

DC-DC

pretty neat Capacitors.

And the 550W comes with one PCIe (750W has two)...

 

Yeah...

1 hour ago, LogicWeasel said:

Are there people who think the RX 580 uses a lot of power?

Yes, seen them in a couple of threads in the GPU Part of this Forum. Just had one today...

 

1 hour ago, LogicWeasel said:

It's certainly not the voltage guzzler that the Vega 64 (or BIOS-modded Vega 56). 

The great thing about VEGA is that it is what you make of it and want it to be.

You can do either.

Push it to 400W and compete with 1080-1080ti.

Push it to 200W and compete with lower end cards. Its up to you.

 

1 hour ago, LogicWeasel said:

I presume that the RX 580 isn't the kind of GPU that gives some PSUs issues like single-rail or OCP tripping? 

Normally shouldn't. At least if you have a somewhat decent PSU...


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4 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

Yes, seen them in a couple of threads in the GPU Part of this Forum. Just had one today...

Is this an old AMD stigma from the R9 290 days? I haven't actually seen this brought up much...

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44 minutes ago, trevb0t said:

Is this an old AMD stigma from the R9 290 days? I haven't actually seen this brought up much...

Probably, however, I've gotten a Vega 64/8700K on stock on a CX450M before...


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Recently did some big upgrades on my PC. I use it for gaming, streaming and recording. Looking through the PSU's since I need to upgrade mine, and the Seasonic ones are very inexpensive compared to some of the other S tier PSU's. I'm not very knowledgeable in that area. Though after looking through reviews I'm planning on grabbing the Prime 750 Gold model. Before I do though, can someone give some insight as to why they are such lower cost than the others?

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44 minutes ago, GamerTrem said:

Recently did some big upgrades on my PC. I use it for gaming, streaming and recording. Looking through the PSU's since I need to upgrade mine, and the Seasonic ones are very inexpensive compared to some of the other S tier PSU's. I'm not very knowledgeable in that area. Though after looking through reviews I'm planning on grabbing the Prime 750 Gold model. Before I do though, can someone give some insight as to why they are such lower cost than the others?

Direct from OEM, quite loud, etc

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28 minutes ago, GamerTrem said:

Recently did some big upgrades on my PC. I use it for gaming, streaming and recording. Looking through the PSU's since I need to upgrade mine, and the Seasonic ones are very inexpensive compared to some of the other S tier PSU's. I'm not very knowledgeable in that area. Though after looking through reviews I'm planning on grabbing the Prime 750 Gold model. Before I do though, can someone give some insight as to why they are such lower cost than the others?

The Tier List doesn't take price in to consideration.
Is it the Prime Gold 750W (SSR-750GD) or the Prime Ultra Gold 750W (SSR-750GD2)?

What are your system specs?


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4 minutes ago, Spotty said:

The Tier List doesn't take price in to consideration.
Is it the Prime Gold 750W (SSR-750GD) or the Prime Ultra Gold 750W (SSR-750GD2)?

What are your system specs?

AMD Ryzen 2700X, RTX 2080, ASRock X470 Master, G.Skill Ripjaws V series 32gigs DDR4-3200

Seasonic PRIME Ultra 750W 80+ Gold Power Supply is what I'm looking at

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28 minutes ago, LienusLateTips said:

Direct from OEM

Just because Seasonic is the OEM doesn't mean they can offer it for cheaper. In fact, Seasonic raised their retail prices in the USA by $10-$20 due to the China/US trade tariff, while some other PSU brands (which use Seasonic platforms) haven't yet passed that cost along to consumers.

To demonstrate this, look at the Corsair AX1000 vs Seasonic Prime Titanium 1000W - Both based on the same platform by Seasonic.
Corsair AX1000 = $240 (https://pcpartpicker.com/product/nhHRsY/corsair-ax-1000-w-80-titanium-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-cp-9020152-na)
Seasonic Prime Ultra Titanium 1000W = $260 (https://pcpartpicker.com/product/NxWfrH/seasonic-prime-ultra-titanium-1000w-80-titanium-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-ssr-1000tr)
 

28 minutes ago, LienusLateTips said:

quite loud (cheaper fan),

Is it? Do you know what model fan it is? Do you know how much it costs in order to say that it's a cheap fan?
I don't know what the cost of the fan is, but I do know that it's the Hong Hua HA13525M12F-Z... The exact same fan that is in the new Corsair AX1000 and the rest of the Prime Ultra Titanium units (or a variant of the same model).
The fan itself isn't the issue with the Prime Gold. It's the fan controller which dictates how fast it spins. It spins up to 2000RPM in the Prime Gold, while it runs at under 1500RPM (mostly under 1000RPM except for 90%+ load) in some of the other units that use it that are known for being silent.

 

20 minutes ago, GamerTrem said:

AMD Ryzen 2700X, RTX 2080, ASRock X470 Master, G.Skill Ripjaws V series 32gigs DDR4-3200

Seasonic PRIME Ultra 750W 80+ Gold Power Supply is what I'm looking at

Looks like a decent streaming system!
You're probably looking at around $130 for the Prime Ultra Gold? As an alternative to that, I would instead look at the Corsair HX750 which is $120, but currently comes with a $20 mail in rebate (bringing it down to $100 effectively). HX750 also comes with a selectable multi-rail/single rail mode (Seasonic Prime's are all single rail only). HX750 also runs quieter and has better efficiency (80+ Platinum). Between those two units, there's no reason why I would pick the Prime Ultra Gold instead of the HX750, especially not when the HX is cheaper.

 

But, for that system you don't need 750W. Under load with those parts you're looking at less than 400W consumption. Should also consider a few units like the Be Quiet Straight Power 11 550W (currently on sale for $90), or the Bitfenix Whisper M 550W ($80).


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2 minutes ago, Spotty said:

Looks like a decent streaming system!
You're probably looking at around $130 for the Prime Ultra Gold? As an alternative to that, I would instead look at the Corsair HX750 which is $120, but currently comes with a $20 mail in rebate (bringing it down to $100 effectively). HX750 also comes with a selectable multi-rail/single rail mode (Seasonic Prime's are all single rail only). HX750 also runs quieter and has better efficiency (80+ Platinum). Between those two units, there's no reason why I would pick the Prime Ultra Gold instead of the HX750, especially not when the HX is cheaper.

 

But, for that system you don't need 750W. Under load with those parts you're looking at less than 400W consumption. Should also consider a few units like the Be Quiet Straight Power 11 550W (currently on sale for $90), or the Bitfenix Whisper M 550W ($80).

So, I looked it up on multiple sites to check the power consumption. One site said it was just short of 500W and another said 690W. PCpartpicker is what pointed me to the 500W level. I have multiple hard drives, a wireless card, and other externals needing power as well. I'll take a look at the ones you linked.

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31 minutes ago, GamerTrem said:

So, I looked it up on multiple sites to check the power consumption. One site said it was just short of 500W and another said 690W. PCpartpicker is what pointed me to the 500W level. I have multiple hard drives, a wireless card, and other externals needing power as well. I'll take a look at the ones you linked.

Main things you need to look for are the CPU and GPU power consumption, they account for most of the systems power usage.
A Ryzen 2700x (stock) is around 100W peak consumption. If you overclock then maybe push 150W.
RTX2080 is around 225-250W depending on the particular card. With overclocking maybe up to 300W, but if you're air cooled you'll probably start running in to thermal limit by then anyway.

The rest of the components in the system don't consume much power.
HDDs, when active reading/writing will be about 5-10W each, depending on the particular drive (factors like 5400RPM vs 7200RPM). When spinning idle about half that, so like 2-5W each.
Wireless card would be pretty much nothing. Other stuff include motherboard (<10W), RAM (~5W), fans (maybe 2-3 watts each at max RPM).

A lot of PSU calculators tend to overestimate a fair bit. You could run TWO RTX2080s in SLI with 690W...
PCPP is basic in its calculations. It usually just runs off the TDP (for CPUs and GPUs at least)... Though I just tried putting your system in to PCPP to see why it would be recommending you 500W, as in my opinion that is way over what even PCPP should be estimating. One thing I've just noticed about PCPP is that it adds 20W per HDD, regardless of the model of HDD, even though the models of HDDs I was adding I know are only ~5W while active. So if you've got half a dozen HDDs in your PCPP list then that could inflate the wattage estimate by almost 100W.


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8 minutes ago, Spotty said:

Main things you need to look for are the CPU and GPU power consumption, they account for most of the systems power usage.
A Ryzen 2700x (stock) is around 100W peak consumption. If you overclock then maybe push 150W.
RTX2080 is around 225-250W depending on the particular card. With overclocking maybe up to 300W, but if you're air cooled you'll probably start running in to thermal limit by then anyway.

The rest of the components in the system don't consume much power.
HDDs, when active reading/writing will be about 5-10W each, depending on the particular drive (factors like 5400RPM vs 7200RPM). When spinning idle about half that, so like 2-5W each.
Wireless card would be pretty much nothing. Other stuff include motherboard (<10W), RAM (~5W), fans (maybe 2-3 watts each at max RPM).

A lot of PSU calculators tend to overestimate a fair bit. You could run TWO RTX2080s in SLI with 690W...
PCPP is basic in its calculations. It usually just runs off the TDP (for CPUs and GPUs at least)... Though I just tried putting your system in to PCPP to see why it would be recommending you 500W, as in my opinion that is way over what even PCPP should be estimating. One thing I've just noticed about PCPP is that it adds 20W per HDD, regardless of the model of HDD, even though the models of HDDs I was adding I know are only ~5W while active. So if you've got half a dozen HDDs in your PCPP list then that could inflate the wattage estimate by almost 100W.

Yeah, I've got an older HD in my system that is still good and several SSD's and an M.2. So that would explain that. Thanks for the help and the quick response! That helps a lot to narrow down which to get. Oh, I also got a Noctua NH-U12A for cooling. Just arrived today but I'm going to wait to install it till I get my new PSU. Again, thanks for the quick and informative replies!

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15 minutes ago, Spotty said:

Is it? Do you know what model fan it is? Do you know how much it costs in order to say that it's a cheap fan?

I don't know what the cost of the fan is, but I do know that it's the Hong Hua HA13525M12F-Z... The exact same fan that is in the new Corsair AX1000 and the rest of the Prime Ultra Titanium units (or a variant of the same model).
The fan itself isn't the issue with the Prime Gold. It's the fan controller which dictates how fast it spins. It spins up to 2000RPM in the Prime Gold, while it runs at under 1500RPM (mostly under 1000RPM except for 90%+ load) in some of the other units that use it that are known for being silent.

Its a bit of both.

Its tickering that is rather annoying and caused many complaints.


I have a similar Hong Hua Fan in a Chieftec Power Smart (750W), HA1425M12S-Z, 12V/0,36A...

Fan also spins with only 350rpm, if it had a good motor (or motor IC), I'd say its a silent insider tipp...

 

15 minutes ago, Spotty said:

You're probably looking at around $130 for the Prime Ultra Gold? As an alternative to that, I would instead look at the Corsair HX750 which is $120, but currently comes with a $20 mail in rebate (bringing it down to $100 effectively). HX750 also comes with a selectable multi-rail/single rail mode (Seasonic Prime's are all single rail only). HX750 also runs quieter and has better efficiency (80+ Platinum). Between those two units, there's no reason why I would pick the Prime Ultra Gold instead of the HX750, especially not when the HX is cheaper.

...and is overall the better unit by a long shot...

 

15 minutes ago, Spotty said:

But, for that system you don't need 750W. Under load with those parts you're looking at less than 400W consumption. Should also consider a few units like the Be Quiet Straight Power 11 550W (currently on sale for $90), or the Bitfenix Whisper M 550W ($80).

Agreed.


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9 hours ago, GamerTrem said:

AMD Ryzen 2700X, RTX 2080, ASRock X470 Master, G.Skill Ripjaws V series 32gigs DDR4-3200

Seasonic PRIME Ultra 750W 80+ Gold Power Supply is what I'm looking at

 

Don't really need 750W.

 

If that's what you want fine, but 650W is plenty and with still enough headroom for OCing etc.


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9 hours ago, GamerTrem said:

ASRock X470 Master

do you have the board already btw?


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7 hours ago, LukeSavenije said:

do you have the board already btw?

Yes, I got the board towards the end of last year

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