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The PSU Tier List can now be found here: https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/1116640-psu-tier-list-40-rev-101/

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3 minutes ago, komi1997 said:

it's tier C, 750W+ are B

yeah, i meant both m12ii's. i know the. 750w is actually a whole other platform, which i noted

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3 minutes ago, DigitalONE said:

the m12ii 750 evo has good ripple, voltage regulation, all protections and 2 hold-up japanese caps, why is it in tier b?

https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/5800/seasonic-m12ii-750w-evo-edition-750-watt-80-plus-bronze-psu-review/index5.html

because it's a 10 year old design with iirc a sleeve fan?

 

and btw, Japanese caps?

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How are new V series from Cooler master? There are Gold(550,650,750,850) and Platinum(850,1000/1300), probably not the same platform between the two, Gold ones might be old ones just different look, fan and hybrid mode?

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fan is fdb

https://seasonic.com/m12ii-evo

the cm masterwatt for example is in the same tier with elite hold-up capacitor and it's ripple reaches 72mv@100% load while m12ii evo has japanese capacitors and 24mv@100% load

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=tr&u=https://forum.donanimhaber.com/cooler-master-masterwatt-750-incelemesi-bronz-gorunumlu-gold--131862219&prev=search

the performance and quality is different yet they both in the same tier?

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13 minutes ago, komi1997 said:

How are new V series from Cooler master? There are Gold(550,650,750,850) and Platinum(850,1000/1300), probably not the same platform between the two, Gold ones might be old ones just different look, fan and hybrid mode?

the gold seem to be on the level that they already are from what I've seem

 

platinum is special tho... it's a

 

DELTA

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11 minutes ago, DigitalONE said:

fan is fdb

https://seasonic.com/m12ii-evo

the cm masterwatt for example is in the same tier with elite hold-up capacitor and it's ripple reaches 72mv@100% load while m12ii evo has japanese capacitors and 24mv@100% load

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=tr&u=https://forum.donanimhaber.com/cooler-master-masterwatt-750-incelemesi-bronz-gorunumlu-gold--131862219&prev=search

the performance and quality is different yet they both in the same tier?

the m12ii on 750w is a different platform as the <750's

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1 minute ago, LukeSavenije said:

platinum is special tho... it's a

 

DELTA

ye, heard somewhere it might be a DELTA unit, too bad I will never need 850W to get one, haha

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Just now, komi1997 said:

ye, heard somewhere it might be a DELTA unit, too bad I will never need 850W to get one, haha

and they're currently 200 bucks...

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i found out that there are two types of m12ii 750 evo, the old one on tweaktown has double ball bearing fan and all protections, the new one has fluid dynamic fan and less protections, they both have the same name m12ii 750 evo

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9 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

and they're currently 200 bucks...

you know if SuperFlower Platinum King 450W is any good?

stumbled upon it for $80, it being SuperFlower and Platinum it probably isn't bad

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Just now, komi1997 said:

you know if SuperFlower Platinum King 450W is any good?

stumbled upon it for $80, it being SuperFlower and Platinum it probably isn't bad

it's in the list actually

 

not bad, but not good for a platinum

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7 minutes ago, DigitalONE said:

i found out that there are two types of m12ii 750 evo, the old one on tweaktown has double ball bearing fan and all protections, the new one has fluid dynamic fan and less protections, they both have the same name m12ii 750 evo

hm... interesting...

 

I'll pass that one to Stefan and lienus

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1 minute ago, LukeSavenije said:

it's in the list actually

 

not bad, but not good for a platinum

don't know how i missed that, lol, anyway it's like $10 more expensive than what i paid for my Pure Power 11 400W(non-CM), maybe even less than $10 difference, so for the price it seems not bad

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1 hour ago, DigitalONE said:

the m12ii 750 evo has good ripple, voltage regulation, all protections and 2 hold-up japanese caps, why is it in tier b?

https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/5800/seasonic-m12ii-750w-evo-edition-750-watt-80-plus-bronze-psu-review/index5.html

Yes, and?
Does it work with high end Graphics Cards?


The Japanese Caps are just Marketing bullshit.

Or are you assuming that only Japanese can do good caps?! I don't need to say more about that, do I??

1 hour ago, DigitalONE said:

fan is fdb

https://seasonic.com/m12ii-evo

the cm masterwatt for example is in the same tier with elite hold-up capacitor and it's ripple reaches 72mv@100% load while m12ii evo has japanese capacitors and 24mv@100% load

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&amp;sl=tr&amp;u=https://forum.donanimhaber.com/cooler-master-masterwatt-750-incelemesi-bronz-gorunumlu-gold--131862219&amp;prev=search

the performance and quality is different yet they both in the same tier?

The Caps are irrelevant, Chin-San are pretty good according to "Industry Insiders".

Ripple is still well within spec, here its only 50mV on 12V, wich is still fine:

https://www.kitguru.net/components/power-supplies/zardon/cooler-master-masterwatt-650-power-supply-review/5/

 

Fan of the Master Watt is also an advanced Sleeve Bearing, wich cooler master calls "LDB". 


The thing you're forgetting is the 6 years difference between the two and that nobody has proven that the 750W Seasonic can work with modern GPU.

Cooler Master Master Watt, even in the 550W can work with VEGA, though its rather screeching. How does the 750W Seasonic handle VEGA??

 

26 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

hm... interesting...

 

I'll pass that one to Stefan and lienus

Yeah, I know.
Remember what Jon says about Double Forward and high end Graphics Cards.

 

The M12II-750 EVO Bronze is right now at around 0€ - not listed.

Cheapest Seasonic that is listed in Germany over 700W - is the Focus.

 

So we might want to think about moving the 750W S12II and M12II versions to the EOL area.

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23 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

Better??

Probably better protections, tighter voltage regulation, lower inrush current. Both values are superb, and negligible from eachother, but it goes to prove the G3 isn't any worse.

 

On 4/20/2019 at 8:38 AM, LukeSavenije said:

Aris's g3 literally died in the opp testing at 127%...

Oh and Aris' G2 safely passed the OPP test... No. There was no protection test by Aris back then.

But we do know the OCP trigger points for the 550 G2 12V, 5V and 3.3V are 153%, 173% and 173% respectively... And where's the OTP?!

Also, only one of Aris' G3s died during OPP testing (the 1KW unit). The other two (550 and 650w) survived.

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On 4/11/2019 at 1:26 PM, LukeSavenije said:

the fact that I've never heard of them already tells me quite a lot

 

Actually, I just found out that the "Prestige Series" are made by Andyson.  So they're not terrible.

 

You can always tell an Andyson PSU because they have a unique "warranty void" and "Hi-Pot OK" sticker on them when whoever they're building for doesn't provide artwork for these stickers.  Apparently, Apevia didn't provide artwork.  ;)

 

The only thing is we don't (yet) know the fan.  The unit seems to be VERY new (80 PLUS report was 1/2019).  Could be a sleeve bearing fan for all we know.

 

So if you were to put that particular model in your tier list, I'd put it in the highest position with other PSUs with sleeve bearing fans until we find otherwise.  Probably along the same lines as a Thermaltake GX1, though.

 

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6 hours ago, komi1997 said:

it's tier C, 750W+ are B

 

6 hours ago, LukeSavenije said:

the 750+ is a different platform from the normal m12ii

That would mean the SeaSonic AM would be both in Tier B and C :P

this thing exists:

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6 hours ago, DigitalONE said:

fan is fdb

https://seasonic.com/m12ii-evo

the cm masterwatt for example is in the same tier with elite hold-up capacitor and it's ripple reaches 72mv@100% load while m12ii evo has japanese capacitors and 24mv@100% load

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&amp;sl=tr&amp;u=https://forum.donanimhaber.com/cooler-master-masterwatt-750-incelemesi-bronz-gorunumlu-gold--131862219&amp;prev=search

the performance and quality is different yet they both in the same tier?

MasterWatt was originally T3, M12II EVO 650+ was originally T2.

Dunno why it's in same tier this time around, might need fix.

6 hours ago, DigitalONE said:

hold-up japanese caps

doesn't matter...

5 hours ago, DigitalONE said:

i found out that there are two types of m12ii 750 evo, the old one on tweaktown has double ball bearing fan and all protections, the new one has fluid dynamic fan and less protections, they both have the same name m12ii 750 evo

Running change afaik, knew about this already

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On 3/18/2019 at 6:20 PM, LienusLateTips said:

Thermaltake - LitePower,

What about LitePower gold+ Power Supplies. Those units I would would probably put in C or B, because they are not bad units. The lower end litepower looks pretty bad though.

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5 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

it seems a bit unrealistic to me...

this is a no name brand but i thought someone might have heard of them,i don't know nothing about the quality . maybe the oem is decent but i didn't find nothing about it

or this one https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Segotep-500W-GP600T-ATX-PC-Computer-Power-Supply-Desktop-Gaming-PSU-12V-80PLUS-Titanium-Active-PFC/32835934821.html i cant get it for 50 euros in my country

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probably not good if not even mentioned here but who knows? 50 euros(on sale here) for a titanium rated psu sounds too good. it uses dc-dc conversion tho unlike some lower end psu's mentioned here

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11 minutes ago, shazammm said:

probably not good if not even mentioned here but who knows? 50 euros(on sale here) for a titanium rated psu sounds too good. it uses dc-dc conversion tho unlike some lower end psu's mentioned here

yeah... that's what it's weird about. I've seen some switching and other things with 80+ scamming, so I'm not sure yet...

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Calling Segotep a noname brand is kinda like calling FSP one. Segotep is owned by Colorful Technology Co., which is the largest manufacturer of graphics cards in China! Larger than ASUS, MSI, Gigabyte and others more familiar to you.

 

Both GP600P and GP600T use half-bridge primary side topology with an LLC resonant converter, and DC-DC on secondary. They both also have 12V rectifiers mounted on the underside of the PCB and seem to use Teapo TC on the secondary side.

 

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One thing to note is that they're both rated at 500W total power, not 600 like you'd think from the name.

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