Comparrisons and opinions

[Guest]

So lets say you had money to spare and set your sight on the 2060 from Nvidia

You are fond of gigabyte for some reason, which in effect narrows down your playfield considerably 

you see the 2060 lying around for 370 euro's and its big bro counterpart the auros for 480 euro's 

Both seem to spec out almost the same. The aorus offers 1 fan more and presumed better building materials increasing lifespan and performance. 

Would you spend the 110 euro's more or not and why?

[Jurrunio]

No I won't spend more for the Aorus. It's overbuilt in performance, the parts are rated the same for longevity so no increased lifespan there, and 110 euros is a LOT.

[LukeSavenije]

the cheaper one

 

because the performance difference will be small, both cards are good and therefore there's no need to overspend on something you don't need

 

btw, why not the windforce?

 

and I'll suggest the evga xc too

[KING OF THE DIRTY DANS]

3 Fans on a GPU is usually a bit much

Theres a reason, that Twin Frozr from MSI was/is so popular

 

[LukeSavenije]

7 minutes ago, KING OF THE DIRTY DANS said:

3 Fans on a GPU is usually a bit much

Theres a reason, that Twin Frozr from MSI was/is so popular

 

on a 2060 that is

 

on some cards it does make sense

[Bananasplit_00]

id get the cheapest 2060, its not even a high end card so i wouldnt even care about PCB too much

[LukeSavenije]

8 minutes ago, Bananasplit_00 said:

id get the cheapest 2060, its not even a high end card so i wouldnt even care about PCB too much

except for like those crappy single fan cards maybe

 

but apart from that agree

[Bartholomew]

Its so funny to always see the cheapest getting recommended blindly

 

Check out the 10 or so topics below this one... you get what you pay for i guess

 

But seriously though, esp with turing oc hardly matters since it will boost descent anyway so performance wise your good either way.

 

Think of it this way, the difference in prices is simply build quality, vrm quality (stability), thermal solution: long lasting paste or not, silent or loud fans, with or without hysteresis on fan stop and esthetics /backplate / rgb, sturdiness (no gpu sag) etc.

 

How much any of that is worth how much to you only you can decide.

 

Im used to being called the local village idiot with my strix version, but hey i had the money and wanted the coolest temps and quiet card possible, so it suited my needs and for me the premium was worth it but to each his own.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Bananasplit_00 said:

id get the cheapest 2060, its not even a high end card so i wouldnt even care about PCB too much

PCB meaning? 

[Bartholomew]

Printed circuit board; the "plate" with all of the electronic components mounted on it.

The pcb itself doesnt say much; the components can tell a story, like quality and quantity of vrms.

 

Its funny how people obsess over mobo vrms but with gpu often just "take the cheapest" never even considering whats underneath the heatsink...

 

That said, the 10 vrms on the strix (aorus as well iirc) for example is perhaps gross overkill (but at least i have a cool and quiet system). 

 

Same with 2 or 3 fans. 3rd fan isnt "needed" but "welcome" as low rpm 3 fans are less audible then 2 higher rpm. on high end boards likely also better fans, strix fans are industrial dust proofed so less prone to develop issues later plus the 3 fans are controlled in 2 groups so the vbios can use 1 (center), 2 (left right), or 3 (all) to cool very balanced and controlled minimizing noise.

 

All in all, as others said performance wise any model will do you fine. What premium is worth what to whom is a personal matter.

 

If you google images for "pcb" + model youll see that on cheaper cards often have (grossly overstating this) half of the vrm components "missing". Since gpu is a high current/wattage component i just have more confidence in "overkill" setup (and to me thats worth the $).

 

Just whatever you decide on, dont go for a luxury model just because its looks good, only for it to wind up in a vertical mount (because of the good looks) only to suffocate the fans near the sidepanel glass making the card hot and noisy despite the premium cooling solution

 

 

 

 

 

19 minutes ago, Christiaan21-03 said:

PCB meaning? 

 

[Guest]

Thank you for your explanation @Bartholomew 

If i had the money i would buy the most expensive part for almost the same, though less illiterate, opinion. 
Gigabyte is a new adventure for me, where i used to be an asus intel msi Nvidia guy this time i'm turning out to be an amd gigabyte/be quiet person. I'm still in my saving mode but in time i guess i will be planning on spending around 500 euro's on either an rtx or a navi. first to explore the navi venue when it gets here or maybe even intel but i guess the intel gpu will come with the next build prob a couple of years from now. 

I was genuinely curious about the thoughts of others on these cards. 60 cards being there in the midrange and if you change every 2 or 3 years i understand why people would go for a cheaper solution, not to mention budget etc etc etc 

[Ankerson]

16 hours ago, Bartholomew said:

Its so funny to always see the cheapest getting recommended blindly

 

 

 

That will never change unfortunately and yes it is both funny and pathetic at the same time.

 

All we can do is try and recommend good stuff, but you can't make them buy it.

[Princess Luna]

17 hours ago, Christiaan21-03 said:

Would you spend the 110 euro's more or not and why?

Of course not, for this price difference it's already possible grab a better GPU, as in the chip, altogether.

 

Performance to me always come first, and even the worse 2070 will still be better than the best 2060 and so on.

[Lathlaer]

4 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

Performance to me always come first, and even the worse 2070 will still be better than the best 2060 and so on.

Exactly. Choosing a very expensive, high-end brand of a mid range GPU is a contradiction. The Strix, Aorus etc. cost so much over the basic price that you'd always be better off buying a cheaper next tier GPU.

 

Sadly, I made that mistake some time ago when I bought a Strix 1060 and then realized that for not much more I could've had a 1070. Oh well, you live and learn

[Ankerson]

46 minutes ago, Christiaan21-03 said:

Thank you for your explanation @Bartholomew 

If i had the money i would buy the most expensive part for almost the same, though less illiterate, opinion. 
Gigabyte is a new adventure for me, where i used to be an asus intel msi Nvidia guy this time i'm turning out to be an amd gigabyte/be quiet person. I'm still in my saving mode but in time i guess i will be planning on spending around 500 euro's on either an rtx or a navi. first to explore the navi venue when it gets here or maybe even intel but i guess the intel gpu will come with the next build prob a couple of years from now. 

I was genuinely curious about the thoughts of others on these cards. 60 cards being there in the midrange and if you change every 2 or 3 years i understand why people would go for a cheaper solution, not to mention budget etc etc etc 

 

You really have to watch what you are buying, really look at the specs and the reviews if there are any for the cards you are looking at.

 

As was implied it's best to stay away from the cheapest model and go with something in the mid range of the lineup. They are normally not that much more than the cheapest ones, but the quality is better.

 

Have to look at the quality of the GPU's overall so it's not really black and white.

 

If one shops cheapest price in the PC world they will get ripped off almost 100% of the time, that's the way it's always been.

 

You do get what you PAY for and that's not just for GPU's either.

 

Even $20 can make a massive difference in the PC world, could be the difference in a PSU that will burn down your house and one that will work great for 5 years or more as an example.

 

 

[Bartholomew]

4 hours ago, Lathlaer said:

 always be better off buying a cheaper next tier GPU.

 

 

Not always, not for everyone.

 

A cheap 2070 here was still over 150 euro more (than the strix) here at the time, so dont make it sound like its the same price.

 

So, explain if i dont need the 2070 performance, and 2070 has (slighly) higher tpd (thus higher thermals thus more rpm on the fans) i would pay 150 extra for worse temp and worse noise ( for the 150 plus i would NOT have a strix cooler and vrm 2070 so it would be a big difference in temps and quality)  if silent pc is my 1st priority...

 

And cheap or expensive model, any extra amount for 2070 doesnt make sense at all in any variant with the slim performance gap so in this case specifically "just go for the cheapest one in the higher tier" makes for arguably nearly the worst advice.... (could be worse and that would be a 2070 strix or aorus, being a 250 premium (50%+) over 2060 for just <10% performane extra).

 

So that leaves choice between 2060 and 2080, which is a considerable distance apart both performance and price wise, and if not willing to spend that much like the firm price on 2080 here (and/or not willing to cope with the power consumption) there is plenty of room for 2060 variant choices; all of which, depending on ones need, can be good canidates.

 

 

 

 

[Guest]

5 hours ago, Ankerson said:

 

You really have to watch what you are buying, really look at the specs and the reviews if there are any for the cards you are looking at.

 

As was implied it's best to stay away from the cheapest model and go with something in the mid range of the lineup. They are normally not that much more than the cheapest ones, but the quality is better.

 

Have to look at the quality of the GPU's overall so it's not really black and white.

 

If one shops cheapest price in the PC world they will get ripped off almost 100% of the time, that's the way it's always been.

 

You do get what you PAY for and that's not just for GPU's either.

 

Even $20 can make a massive difference in the PC world, could be the difference in a PSU that will burn down your house and one that will work great for 5 years or more as an example.

 

 

Well this a bit of a grey area won't you agree? you can't go running around and stating that the big 5 deliver bad products even when they are cheap  
If you buy that 1080 from shinglo tech for 50 euro's online it is a whole other ballgame ofc… 

Still yea… following the same reasoning i bought a psu that delivers 700 watts and not one that delivers 550.. Gold ofcourse

and to be cheap as Dutch can be.. I also expect my equipment to be as low in power consumption as can be. This only leaves the lower part of the segment applicable. Already found the 2060 to be in the high range with 180 watts usage not to mention gpu's that ask 300/400 in a system that needs more cooling etc etc etc   

[Ankerson]

7 hours ago, Christiaan21-03 said:

Well this a bit of a grey area won't you agree? you can't go running around and stating that the big 5 deliver bad products even when they are cheap  
If you buy that 1080 from shinglo tech for 50 euro's online it is a whole other ballgame ofc… 

Still yea… following the same reasoning i bought a psu that delivers 700 watts and not one that delivers 550.. Gold ofcourse

and to be cheap as Dutch can be.. I also expect my equipment to be as low in power consumption as can be. This only leaves the lower part of the segment applicable. Already found the 2060 to be in the high range with 180 watts usage not to mention gpu's that ask 300/400 in a system that needs more cooling etc etc etc   

 

Companies don't really give away stuff for nothing, on their low end products they are cutting corners to lower the price.

 

The higher end products cost more money for various reasons and none of them are just charging more money just because they feel like it.

 

No, there really isn't a grey area when it comes to computer parts.

 

Some people find that out the hard way. 

 

Also the reason why I don't entertain the low budget builds in any way whatsoever.

 

I get a headache just looking at them.

[Guest]

4 hours ago, Ankerson said:

 

Companies don't really give away stuff for nothing, on their low end products they are cutting corners to lower the price.

 

The higher end products cost more money for various reasons and none of them are just charging more money just because they feel like it.

 

No, there really isn't a grey area when it comes to computer parts.

 

Some people find that out the hard way. 

 

Also the reason why I don't entertain the low budget builds in any way whatsoever.

 

I get a headache just looking at them.

Well i am curious to see how my current build will perform. 

It is almost the cheapest build in years. Usually i would spend around 2000/2500 euro's and currently it is "only" around 1100 euro's 
( complete be quiet casing with 4 additional be quiet fans next to the 2 integrated ones aftermarket be quiet cooler/ aorus motherboard/ r5 2600/ 2 m.2 drives/ 32 gb's of ram and a msi gamingx 1060 3 gb )

and that is why i feel we do slide into this grey zone. With the ever increasing effects of Moore's law it is also much more cost effective to buy ( which was considered high end performance a couple of years back ) products for a consumer market for very low prices and certainly when your own requirements won't follow the equipment requirement increase of certain area's of software/ you don't need vr/4k etc etc