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Intel Comet Lake Packs Up to 10 Cores

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The latest updates to Intel's Linux DRM kernel driver and coreboot (previously known as LinuxBIOS) reveal some pretty interesting information about Intel's upcoming Comet Lake (CML) processors. Comet Lake is the successor to Intel's Coffee Lake and Whiskey Lake processor architectures. The description in the update to the Linux DRM kernel driver claims "Comet Lake comes off of Coffee Lake". Hence, it's safe to assume that Comet Lake is yet another refresh in Intel's practice of rewarming the Skylake architecture and that Intel will fab Comet Lake chips on the already saturated 14nm manufacturing process. Coreboot, an open source project to replace the BIOS and UEFI, has some vital information on Comet Lakes. According to the Github page, Comet Lake-U (CML-U) processors, which are primarily aimed at laptops, carry up to six cores, while the Comet Lake-H (CFL-H) and Comet Lake-S (CMT-S) chips feature up to 10 cores. Intel is expected to launch its Comet Lake processors around the middle of the year. It's possible Intel could announce the chips at Computex 2019, which starts May 28.

 

Source: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-comet-lake-cpu-specs-10-cores,38806.html

 

To believe only three years ago Intel's top of the line mainstream CPUs were only 4C8T. Yet, here we are looking at 10C20T CPUs being released as mainstream parts in 2019. It's really a wonderful thing when competition is brought into a market, and we have AMD and Ryzen to thank for this. Also looking back, three years ago, a 10C20T CPU from Intel would have cost you nearly $1800 USD as an HEDT part. While there are no rumors on pricing, we can at least think Zen 2 could quite possibly push the price down to more than half of what it was for a 10C20T 6950X: that's if Intel wants to retain its relevancy in the marketplace. Which also means they are going to have to do better than i9-9820X pricing as well; especially if any of the Ryzen 3000 series rumors are to be correct (12C24T for $300 and 16C32T for $449). 


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Low core count, outdated node process, too expensive. 

 

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i doubt that will be as cheap as mainstream ryzen or low end threadripper... 

 

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50 minutes ago, Nowak said:

But will it be on 14nm+++++++++++?

Yes, actually.

 

The really important information isn't the 10 core bit. It's that the Mobile parts will be launching. This means Icelake Mobile is going to be functionally a paper launch, or, at best, a niche product. (It will have better cores, so it should be better than Comet Lake clock for clock, even in mobile.)

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Great to see core counts increasing with every product refresh. It was well overdue after going from the core 2 quad days to kaby lake with only 4 cores.

 

To those on this board more informed than I, what do you think are the chances of intel's mainstream desktop successor to comet lake being 10nm?

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1 minute ago, techie said:

Great to see core counts increasing with every product refresh. It was well overdue after going from the core 2 quad days to kaby lake with only 4 cores.

 

To those on this board more informed than I, what do you think are the chances of intel's mainstream desktop successor to comet lake being 10nm?

 

Pretty good by all accounts. That said i wouldn't get excited about this, even assuming intel have been able to push the silicon further simple TDP is going to be harshly limiting them. They don't have much headroom on 14nm to push things further.

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47 minutes ago, Blademaster91 said:

Well its still impressive IMO if Intel can push it to 10c/20t on their current node.

Interesting people are whining that 10c/20t isn't enough though lol.

Can't hear you over 64 core Threadripper and 16 core mainstream Ryzen for around $550 in 2019.


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i think intel is retarded


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3 hours ago, BiG StroOnZ said:

we have AMD and Ryzen to thank for this.

Depending on who you ask, this was apparently Intel's plan all along. Release the same core structure for years and then spontaneously drop an assload of cores on the consumer. As if.


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3 minutes ago, fasauceome said:

Depending on who you ask, this was apparently Intel's plan all along. Release the same core structure for years and then spontaneously drop an assload of cores on the consumer. As if.

I'm not quite sure this was their intention, considering Cannon Lake and 10nm woes. But I guess that goes along with the "depending on whom you ask."

 

Nevertheless, I would surmise that the majority believes Intel's core count increases were mostly a knee-jerk reaction to AMD Ryzen. However, you will also find those who do claim it was Intel's plan all along. 

 

Either way, it's great for the consumer, regardless of the truth behind the matter.


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intel would not of taken the steps they have in recent years without ryzens competition in regards to  getting rid of dual core basically and upping core count at least not as quickly as they have been forced to.


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if intel caps out at 10, there's two ways to vaguely guess on AMD's stack:

  • ryzen 3000 may cap out at 12c and is actually great in single threaded performance
  • ryzen 3000 could top out at 16c but is only worth its multicore performance

or intel is running out of space on the substrate and 10c is all they could squeeze in on 14nm ._. (if they're still using it)

 

EDIT: caveats:

  • 12c option: great in single threaded, but in all-core performance on a per-thread basis intel might be better
  • 16c option: great in all-core, but single threaded performance is still the same story with ryzen 2000 vs 9th-gen core

also the comment on intel running out of space is based on comparing Skylake-X die-mensions against desktop Coffeelake

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10 minutes ago, VegetableStu said:

if intel caps out at 10, there's two ways to vaguely guess on AMD's stack:

  • ryzen 3000 may cap out at 12c and is actually great in single threaded performance
  • ryzen 3000 could top out at 16c but is only worth its multicore performance

or intel is running out of space on the substrate and 10c is all they could squeeze in on 14nm ._. (if they're still using it)

Or c): Ryzen 3000 will have 16 Cores but we don't care, we deliver 5,5GHz and people will buy it.

Even if the CPU then will consume 300W...


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1 hour ago, Stefan Payne said:

Or c): Ryzen 3000 will have 16 Cores but we don't care, we deliver 5,5GHz and people will buy it.

Even if the CPU then will consume 300W...

that's technically the second one, LOL

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6 hours ago, techie said:

what do you think are the chances of intel's mainstream desktop successor to comet lake being 10nm

High likelyhood. 

 

Though releasedate probably isnt untill mid 2020 at best.

 

Im more concerned with their high end serverstuff. Which probably wont see a 10nm untill 2021. Will be ibteresting how far they will go with 14nm on that side of the business

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Though we souldn't forget that even inferior Intel Products sell rathe rwell for whatever reason.

We know that because it already happened back in the early 2000s.


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5 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

Though we souldn't forget that even inferior Intel Products sell rathe rwell for whatever reason.

We know that because it already happened back in the early 2000s.

Yeah 

A lot of people ask for archaic 8350Ks instead or R5 1600s even though they're the same price.

 

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1 minute ago, aezakmi said:

Yeah 

A lot of people ask for archaic 8350Ks instead or R5 1600s even though they're the same price.

 

What happens inside an User's mind is unknown for me.

Jayz2cent said 2 years ago that Intel is best for Gaming.


You're saying its not true anymore?? 🤔


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1 minute ago, Stefan Payne said:

Jayz2cent said 2 years ago that Intel is best for Gaming.


You're saying its not true anymore?? 🤔

who said anything about gaming.....

 

most folks around come to the store already with the part list so it's not like we can recommend something else and a lot (99%) have the mentality of "Intel is better only poor people use AMD" and buy a Pentium G3220.

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13 hours ago, fasauceome said:

Depending on who you ask, this was apparently Intel's plan all along. Release the same core structure for years and then spontaneously drop an assload of cores on the consumer. As if.

6 cores were, the only issue was power efficiency and thermals.


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Video Card: EVGA - 970 SSC ACX (1080 is in RMA)
Case: Fractal Design - Define R5 w/Window (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA P2 750W with CableMod blue/black Pro Series
Optical Drive: LG - WH16NS40 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer 
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Pro OEM 64-bit and Linux Mint Serena
Keyboard: Logitech - G910 Orion Spectrum RGB Wired Gaming Keyboard
Mouse: Logitech - G502 Wired Optical Mouse
Headphones: Logitech - G430 7.1 Channel  Headset
Speakers: Logitech - Z506 155W 5.1ch Speakers

 

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