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Dissenter - The comment section of the internet - And a severe game-changer for free speech

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This is literally just unmoderated comments, nothing more. We all know how well that works.

 

Except no it isn't, because not only that, this is only useful for those who can't chat using the normal functionality because they would get banned. So that will make up the vast majority of users.

 

Dissenter does not exist to protect free speech - that is just another transparent lie the far right uses as a shield to dismiss criticism. It exists to create an echo chamber of extremist conversation not allowed elsewhere - racism, death threats etc

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45 minutes ago, Sampsy said:

This is literally just unmoderated comments, nothing more. We all know how well that works.

 

Except no it isn't, because not only that, this is only useful for those who can't chat using the normal functionality because they would get banned. So that will make up the vast majority of users.

 

Dissenter does not exist to protect free speech - that is just another transparent lie the far right uses as a shield to dismiss criticism. It exists to create an echo chamber of extremist conversation not allowed elsewhere - racism, death threats etc

"Creates echo chamber." By allowing people to have different opinion than on the platform which censors/bans different opinions. Dude, what? Death threats? To whom? Dissenter is a separate layer that doesn't modify or touches the original platform. People between them literally have absolutely no contact. You're the kind of person that keeps spreading bullshit about Gab which then gets banned everywhere because companies like Google and Apple bend over to pressure of butthurt snowflakes in their safe space echo chambers. You're the problem, not Gab or people on it.

 

People call me all sorts of shit because I don't just believe what people say, I go and check it myself, even if that means listening to fucking Richard Spencer's speech. How can I do that on Twitter or Facebook when they just straight up ban, censor and remove differenting or controversial opinions? That's why I'm on Gab, because I like to hear what people say on the other end too. It's why I'm strong opponent to censorship and coddling of people in their own safe space echo chambers. Ideas and opinions, no matter what they are need to exist and need to be challenged. Censoring words won't magically make actions, behavior or attitude of some people just go away. You don't see them, but that doesn't mean they don't exist. And worst of all, they never get challenged as a result. Banning place where they gather is NOT a solution. That's just pure ignorance and it's doing more harm than good. But hey, whatever, go on banning them and just making them more angry and more determined. That'll show them for sure! Where challenging ideas may convince people that their thinking might not be the best way. That doesn't sound too logical to you does it?

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8 hours ago, RejZoR said:

To no ones surprise, of course it happened. Can't have challenging views and opinions. What they say must be the final word, even if people are talking and commenting on a separate layer outside of the webpage. I am disapointed that Mozilla did this though. I guess enough of butthurt hardline leftists are in their organization...

Didn't their last CEO have Mozilla donating to domestic leftist terrorist organization Anitfa?

 

It's more shocking that they didn't do it immediately.


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1 hour ago, Drak3 said:

Didn't their last CEO have Mozilla donating to domestic leftist terrorist organization Anitfa?

 

It's more shocking that they didn't do it immediately.

Could be. Not aware of it.

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3 hours ago, Drak3 said:

Didn't their last CEO have Mozilla donating to domestic leftist terrorist organization Anitfa?

 

It's more shocking that they didn't do it immediately.

That's massively incorrect - and, ironically, backwards to what actually happened:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brendan_Eich

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Some employees of Mozilla Foundation (a separate organization from Mozilla Corporation) tweeted calls for his resignation, with reference to his donation of $1,000 to California Proposition 8, which called for the banning of same-sex marriage in California.

Emphasis mine. The dude is still a piece of shit, but he's not a left wing piece of shit.

 

You can dislike Antifa all you want - and there are many legitimate reasons to do so, but this guy is a right-wing extremist, not a left-wing extremist.


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1 hour ago, RejZoR said:

Could be. Not aware of it.

Well, parts of Mozilla did support them when they were officially declared domestic terrorists.


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8 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

Well, parts of Mozilla did support them when they were officially declared domestic terrorists.

Individual non-exec employees? Sure perhaps. Just like some of them no doubt also support white supremacists. Any large organization has a wide variety of political beliefs among employees.


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2 hours ago, RejZoR said:

Could be. Not aware of it.

That's because he actually donated to groups supporting banning same-sex marriage, namely California's Proposition 8, as pointed out by @dalekphalm.


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5 minutes ago, dalekphalm said:

Individual non-exec employees? Sure perhaps. Just like some of them no doubt also support white supremacists. Any large organization has a wide variety of political beliefs among employees.

Found the thread for it.

 

Mozilla, as an entity, has supported those fascists before.


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4 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

Found the thread for it.

 

Mozilla, as an entity, has supported those fascists before.

Sure, but that's not what you said before. You made a specific claim that the former CEO donated to Antifa. The Former CEO is a right-wing extremist.

 

EDIT: Also the money that Mozilla donated was not for Antifa - at least not specifically. They donated to "Riseup.net", which is a platform used by activists across the spectrum to do things like avoid mass surveillance, etc.

 

So, while Antifa might use the platform (that's may, since I haven't actually seen any evidence of this), many other organizations also use it.


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17 hours ago, Sampsy said:

This is literally just unmoderated comments, nothing more. We all know how well that works.

 

Except no it isn't, because not only that, this is only useful for those who can't chat using the normal functionality because they would get banned. So that will make up the vast majority of users.

 

Dissenter does not exist to protect free speech - that is just another transparent lie the far right uses as a shield to dismiss criticism. It exists to create an echo chamber of extremist conversation not allowed elsewhere - racism, death threats etc

And unfortunately, despite all the efforts by the left to exercise "inclusion", the result is fascist dictatorship. If free speech is only acceptable to you when people agree with you, then you're not in favor of free speech. You have to fight for your opponents right to free speech too.

As long as nothing illegal is being said or promoted, it shouldn't get removed from any platform. When you ban people from a platform in order to protect peoples feelings, you end up down a rabbit hole. There's a girl who had to be protected in her university against sauce on food. SAUCE ON FOOD. SERIOUSLY. I hate to be the guy that says "toughen up", but people like this leave me no choice.

 

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6 minutes ago, dalekphalm said:

Sure, but that's not what you said before. You made a specific claim that the former CEO donated to Antifa. The Former CEO is a right-wing extremist.

Prop 8 passed in CA, thus you are slandering Mr. Eich.

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7 minutes ago, dalekphalm said:

Sure, but that's not what you said before. You made a specific claim that the former CEO donated to Antifa. The Former CEO is a right-wing extremist.

I didn't claim jack shit. I asked a question.


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On 3/19/2019 at 5:42 PM, leadeater said:

Extremists, terrorists etc don't have a political affiliation, or religious, they are evil people exploiting whatever they can. Whatever gets them the outcome they want they will exploit, be it race supremacy, religious or social they don't actually believe in it, uphold the values of them so we shouldn't label any such person as 'far-right' or 'far-left'.

 

Once you start talking about political views of these people and label them as one side or the other you marginalize and devalue all people of that view point. There isn't anything specifically wrong about wanting low immigration and migration rates, protecting national traditions etc but neither is there anything wrong with accepting higher immigration and migration rates or integrating other cultures. These are just differences in opinions and values, neither of which is more right than the other. 

Terrorists and extremists definitely do have political affiliations, the distinction is that an extremist is not representative of a given affiliation.

 

I definitely don't think labeling an extremist as a certain member of a group intrinsically implies you attach their characteristics to all other members of the group. 


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2 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

I didn't claim jack shit. I asked a question.

See my edit above. You doubled down with that other news thread - which as far as I can tell, has no actual source that confirms Antifa even uses Riseup.net.

 

Fair enough, you asked a question. The answer is no.


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11 hours ago, Sampsy said:

Except no it isn't, because not only that, this is only useful for those who can't chat using the normal functionality because they would get banned. So that will make up the vast majority of users.

So you're saying you are against talking to people you disagree with and trying to understand them and maybe convince them?

Wich essentially maeans you are pro violent solutions because when you can't talk to other people about something, violence is the only solution. 

Especially not allowing a supressed group to not be allowed to speak what they think is really dangerous and can only go wrong.

Because you isolate them from society, whatever they believe will be strenthend and pushed to the extreme!!

 

If someone slightly dislikes something and get banned for it, do you really think that he will like it after the ban?!

 

Ähm, no, absolutely not!
If you ban them for that, they now really do not like the thing they got banned for. And now you push them out of the "normal space", to the real fringe space, where the real Nazis are...

 

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You know how you destroy them? By talking to them in a civilized maner. That is what the founding fathers knew, that to have a country, you have to be able to speak what you think without fear of prosecution.

 

11 hours ago, Sampsy said:

Dissenter does not exist to protect free speech - that is just another transparent lie the far right uses as a shield to dismiss criticism.

How is a Comment Function for a website that doesn't have a Comment Function, that's totally in the Hands of the Users "Alt-Right"??

That makes no sense. On the Contary, that is more "Alt-LEFT", because the Left is all about the People.

 

And now, giving power to the people is considered "alt-right"?! How did THAT happen?!

 

11 hours ago, Sampsy said:

It exists to create an echo chamber of extremist conversation not allowed elsewhere - racism, death threats etc

no, YOU create an Echo chamber with claiming its "Alt-Right" and ousting people from the "normie World", with banning them from the "Normie Spaces".


And that's not only on one way, it goes in both ways!

You believe you are in the Majority because everyone who disagrees is already banned. And you aren't able to talk with someone who thinks a bit different and disagrees with you on your views.

 

And with this thing being called "alt right", you also keep the normies from the Plattform, who could battle "the alt right" to bring them closer to the Center.

 

You know the story of the Black guy that singlehandedly destroyed a KKK Arm?? You know how he did it? By talking to it!

HE was a hero!

And he could only do that because he talked to people who hated him!

And he won. Because he talked to them.


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36 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

Prop 8 passed in CA, thus you are slandering Mr. Eich.

How?

 

What exactly did I say that's incorrect? It's a matter of public record that he donated money to Prop 8. It's a matter of public record that Prop 8 opposes same-sex marriage. It's my opinion that anyone who opposes same-sex marriage is an extremist (typically a right wing extremist).

 

EDIT: Prop 8 was ruled unconstitutional anyway:

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Proposition 8 was ultimately ruled unconstitutional by a federal court (on different grounds) in 2010, although the court decision did not go into effect until June 26, 2013, following the conclusion of proponents' appeals.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_California_Proposition_8


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I don't know.  It's up to the platform to decide what they feel is acceptable for their community standards.  They own the server space.  We can't tell the mods here how to do their jobs.  Free speech only applies to the government intervening.

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3 minutes ago, dalekphalm said:

How?

 

What exactly did I say that's incorrect? It's a matter of public record that he donated money to Prop 8. It's a matter of public record that Prop 8 opposes same-sex marriage. It's my opinion that anyone who opposes same-sex marriage is an extremist (typically a right wing extremist).

You're using dogwhistle language to attempt to out-group Mr. Eich. Seeing as he was supporting the side of a ballot measure that won popular support is the progressive State of California, his support for Prop 8 was neither "right wing" nor "extremist". Your position, however, is extremist. It's also Islamophobic and Anti-Christian, generally speaking. Words have meaning and implications.

 

Seeing as you claim to be Canadian and the sanction that can come upon you for discriminatory, inflammatory or slanderous speech, I'll erase my posts if you remove the statements. 

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15 minutes ago, Majinhoju said:

I don't know.  It's up to the platform to decide what they feel is acceptable for their community standards.  They own the server space.  We can't tell the mods here how to do their jobs.  Free speech only applies to the government intervening.

No, its not.

There are laws.

There already is precedent for something similar happening.

You remember the Mall Runling??

This one?

https://www.nreionline.com/mag/freedom-speech-mall

 

So its only a question of time until they get a ruling that might cost them dearly...

Especially since for example Twitter is full of hateful content!

That, if you are honest, is totally racist and also sometimes genocidal comments....


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Social media isn't public property or a public gathering space in that sense.  It's easily accessible but you're still on someone else's server space.  By that logic the mods here should just sign off and let us have a free for all for the sake of free speech.

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1 hour ago, Nowak said:

That's because he actually donated to groups supporting banning same-sex marriage, namely California's Proposition 8, as pointed out by @dalekphalm.

Oh, that shit. Typical leftist nonsense. What, you don't align with my way of thinking? Well, tough luck, lets fuck up your life. Wasn't the first time and won't be the last. These people are pretty much insane at this point.

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12 hours ago, Sampsy said:

This is literally just unmoderated comments, nothing more. We all know how well that works.

 

Except no it isn't, because not only that, this is only useful for those who can't chat using the normal functionality because they would get banned. So that will make up the vast majority of users.

 

Dissenter does not exist to protect free speech - that is just another transparent lie the far right uses as a shield to dismiss criticism. It exists to create an echo chamber of extremist conversation not allowed elsewhere - racism, death threats etc

The fact it's making people so angry you can say whatever you want makes it awesome

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27 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

You're using dogwhistle language to attempt to out-group Mr. Eich.

I should hope the general population of the United States has grown to the point where they support same-sex marriage, so, your opinion that I'm using dog-whistle politics is just that. Your opinion.

 

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Seeing as he was supporting the side of a ballot measure that won popular support is the progressive State of California, his support for Prop 8 was neither "right wing" nor "extremist". Your position, however, is extremist. It's also Islamophobic and Anti-Christian, generally speaking. Words have meaning and implications.

Most North American christians, I would suggest, no longer support a ban on same-sex marriage. In Canada, at least. The US? Well, that's another story.

 

So yes, supporting a ban on same sex marriage is right wing extremism in my opinion.

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Seeing as you claim to be Canadian and the sanction that can come upon you for discriminatory, inflammatory or slanderous speech, I'll erase my posts if you remove the statements. 

"Claim to be" Canadian? Come again? Do I need to show you my birth certificate or something?

 

Bahaha - in Canadian law I'm 100% supported. Same sex marriage is a constitutional right in Canada. So no, I will not remove my post. If you have a problem with it, take it up with the mod team.

 

Furthermore my right to Free Speech in Canada guarantees me the right to say that I think Mr. Eich is a right-wing extremist for supporting a ban on same-sex marriage.


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7 minutes ago, RejZoR said:

Oh, that shit. Typical leftist nonsense. What, you don't align with my way of thinking? Well, tough luck, lets fuck up your life. Wasn't the first time and won't be the last. These people are pretty much insane at this point.

People who support same sex marriage are insane? Not sure if that's your point, but could you please clarify?


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