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Posted · Original PosterOP

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Western Digital has revealed this week that it will demonstrate its first dual-actuator hard drives at OCP San Jose, 14-15 March 2019. Marking the company's first foray into multi-actuator drives, WD markets roughly twice the performance of a

single-actuator. Although they'll be trading off some power efficiency in the process.

 

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Western Digital has rather high expectations for its dual-actuator HDDs. The company expects the new drives to offer double the sustained transfer rates as well as double the IOPS when compared to existing HDDs. Which if we use existing drives as a baseline, would mean that we're talking about data rates on the order of 500 MB/s as well as 160 ~ 200 IOPS. Meanwhile, although no official numbers were provided ahead of next week's formal reveal, the company did publish a photo of its dual-actuator prototype.

 

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The trade-off for dual-actuator technology is that since these hard drives are essentially two HDDs in a single chassis, they will consume more power than traditional drives. But it's still 26% less than two independent HDDs, owing to the fact that it's still a single set of spinning platters. For example, Western Digital’s Ultrastar 14 TB SATA hard drive consumes 7.6 W in operating mode, and a pair of such HDDs would be 15.2W. Meanwhile, a hypothetical dual-actuator hard drive that consumes 26% less than these two would end up at around 11.25W, which, importantly, is within power limits of a typical 3.5-inch SATA bay (typically up to 12 W).

 

I personally think this is a bit of a move to come back one more time with hdd's, but it doesn't make sense to me. these days hard drives are just for long-lasting, big drives. as far as I know there aren't many people that care about their hard drive speed, except that it's at least 7200 rpm and has a small cache

 

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For the consumer market, I think it's a case of too little too late.

Solid State/gb prices have plummeted since they became "mainstream", mass storage via SSD is becoming more affordable on an almost-daily basis. Given the significant speed advantage and operational reliabilty that they bring, I see mechanical drives going the way of the dodo, or the VCR if you'd like to up-date by a year or two. It's a matter of when it will happen. I still retain one mechanical drive in my current system (which brings to light that my signature is outdated), but that's largely because it's still functioning, and i haven't found a need to add additional space in my system yet. Until then though, faster read/writes are definitely a positive.


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While very cool, this in theory doubles the chance of actuator failure (which is probably the most common way for Drives to fail). Something to keep in mind.


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It's first but not world's first

Conner Peripherals Chinook 510 MB drive

 

 

Regardless, SSD prices are plummeting. 1TB for $100 nowadays. Only thing they're really good for is archive storage and speed doesn't matter that much at that point, especially since storage tiering is becoming mainstream.


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3 minutes ago, Semper said:

For the consumer market, I think it's a case of too little too late.

Solid State/gb prices have plummeted since they became "mainstream", mass storage via SSD is becoming more affordable on an almost-daily basis. Given the significant speed advantage and operational reliabilty that they bring, I see mechanical drives going the way of the dodo, or the VCR if you'd like to up-date by a year or two. It's a matter of when it will happen. I still retain one mechanical drive in my current system (which brings to light that my signature is outdated), but that's largely because it's still functioning, and i haven't found a need to add additional space in my system yet. Until then though, faster read/writes are definitely a positive.

exactly. as dram gets better and better the hdd will get as obselete as the cd/dvd: some still use them, but there are better alternatives

 

4 minutes ago, bcredeur97 said:

While very cool, this in theory doubles the chance of actuator failure (which is probably the most common way for Drives to fail). Something to keep in mind.

that's actually a really good one... go tell WD

 

1 minute ago, rcmaehl said:

It's first but not world's first

Seagate?


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6 minutes ago, Semper said:

Solid State/gb prices have plummeted since they became "mainstream", mass storage via SSD is becoming more affordable on an almost-daily basis.

I disagree, specially outside USA the difference between 1TB HDD and 1TB SSD is still more than meaningful.


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Just now, Princess Cadence said:

I disagree, specially outside USA the difference between 1TB HDD and 1TB SSD is still more than meaningful.

Europe disagrees with you...


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Seagate?

"Conner Peripherals"... Founded by Seagate's Finis Conner... so I guess?


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1 minute ago, Princess Cadence said:

I disagree, specially outside USA the difference between 1TB HDD and 1TB SSD is still more than meaningful.

Living in the states, I don't have direct experience with prices outside my readily reachable world.

It may be that there is a disparity between mechanical and SSD in parts of the world, but unless it's truly an archaic economy that you live with, that gap has closed since SSD's went mainstream meaning that it is becoming more affordable, even if not at an acceptable point yet.

My first SSD was purchased in 2012, overwhelmingly unremarkable in terms of speed (I don't remember my real-world speeds any longer) and capacity was an unimpressive 120gb. I can buy a 1tb MX500 slightly cheaper than that SSD today.


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I personally think this is a bit of a move to come back one more time with hdd's, but it doesn't make sense to me. these days hard drives are just for long-lasting, big drives. as far as I know there aren't many people that care about their hard drive speed, except that it's at least 7200 rpm and has a small cache

Would anyone be mad if their hard drives were faster, making them a much more viable option for non-ssd based game, media, and file storage?

 

I certainly wouldn't be.

Give the technology some time to advance and you might be seeing hard drives with speeds equal to or greater than many consumer grade SSDs.


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6 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

Europe disagrees with you...

Basically, for us Europeans, it's the following formula:

 

$ = € + 20-something % VAT = actual price in €

 

Though I don't think HDD's are dead yet. 5TB HDD paired with 512GB SSD as cache (using PrimoCache) is pretty sweet combo imo. Huge storage capacity with amazing day to day usage speeds. And cloud servers won't go to SSD anytime soon due to capacity/price limits. Not long ago I re-done a 2TB HDD + 128GB SSD NVMe combo with PrimoCache for a relative and it was pretty fast. After second reboot, it was booting into Windows as fast as my full on SSD system. Same for launching GTA5. First launch was regular, 3rd was stupendously faster. Granted, I've donated him my 2TB HDD, but the SSD for the cache was like 40€.

 

So, pairing such dual head beast with SSD can bring some pretty sweet speeds with faster speeds before stuff gets cached. So you make the gap a bit smaller.

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1 minute ago, Semper said:

It may be that there is a disparity between mechanical and SSD in parts of the world, but unless it's truly an archaic economy that you live with, that gap has closed since SSD's went mainstream meaning that it is becoming more affordable, even if not at an acceptable point yet.

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Cheapest 1tb Barracuda you can find in Brasil goes for R$189,99 which is US$ 49,34 by today's exchange.

Cheapest 1tb SSD which is a low end questionable Kingston A400 goes for R$ 749,90 which is US$ 194,76.

 

150 dollars over-price on countries with much shittier salaries than USA makes a huge difference, so all I'm saying is that HDDs are still extremely important for a great number of markets, it's not pointless.


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Just now, TheKDub said:

Would anyone be mad if their hard drives were faster, making them a much more viable option for non-ssd based game, media, and file storage?

 

I certainly wouldn't be.

Give the technology some time to advance and you might be seeing hard drives with speeds equal to or greater than many consumer grade SSDs.

it might... but hdd's in general have their problems too

 

it's a head going over a metal plate, with two heads it's not getting better

 

they make more sound than a load of chips and a controller

 

and they have moving parts...

2 minutes ago, CarlBar said:

Europe does not.

my part does

 

1 minute ago, RejZoR said:

Though I don't think HDD's are dead yet. 5TB HDD paired with 512GB SSD as cache (using PrimoCache) is pretty sweet combo imo. Huge storage capacity with amazing day to day usage speeds. And cloud servers won't go to SSD anytime soon due to capacity/price limits. Not long ago I re-done a 2TB HDD + 128GB SSD NVMe combo with PrimoCache for a relative and it was pretty fast. After second reboot, it was booting into Windows as fast as my full on SSD system. Same for launching GTA5. First launch was regular, 3rd was stupendously faster. Granted, I've donated him my 2TB HDD, but the SSD for the cache was like 40€.

i don't think they're dead yet either

 

i just think they will be sooner than you think...


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Just now, CarlBar said:

On phone so can't link but atm from OCUK 4tb ssd is 》1200 pounds. A 14TB HDD is just over 500.

i won't go against you in really high ones. but if we look at 1tb (which are pretty common) they get closer and closer


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For home users, certainly. I've had SSD in my netbook when ACER Aspire One were still a thing. Atom N270, 1GB RAM and 160GB HDD. Which I swapped for Intel x25M 80GB SSD. After that, there was no turning back. My next laptop had Crucial M4 128GB and next one that I currently have came with 256GB Samsung SSD out of the box (that's not even a DRAM-less crap!). I've switched to 2TB SSD in my main system around 3-4 years ago after running it as hybrid cache for around 2 before that. There is no way I'll ever go back to HDD unless I'd need 10TB or more for some reason for which SSD is still just too costly.

 

For laptops, you don't really need massive capacities and you can get 1TB SSD's cheap now. The rest you put on external HDD which are also cheap. Servers I think will run HDD's for quite a while.

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it might... but hdd's in general have their problems too

 

it's a head going over a metal plate, with two heads it's not getting better

 

they make more sound than a load of chips and a controller

True, and they also create more vibration and heat, while consuming more power.

 

That said, they're still significantly more cost effective than SSDs, especially as you go up in capacity. (4TB HDDs for $100, 6TB HDDs for $150, 10TB HDDs for $300, vs 1TB SSDs for $150, 4TB SSDs for $700, 15.36TB SSDs for $6100)


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Better speeds are surely only a good thing. Obviously they need to be thoroughly tested for resiliency and life expectancy etc, but if they equal or better current HDDs and they can keep the prices down to almost same as existing HDDs, then I'm on board. For gamers this will be huge, this may negate the need for an SSD altogether, or at the very least lessen the need for such a big SSD, so you'd only need it for the boot device for the system.


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4 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

i won't go against you in really high ones. but if we look at 1tb (which are pretty common) they get closer and closer

 

Who's using a HDD for 1TB though, (new). Tou pretty much don't buy HDDS below a couple of TB and really your starting to push 4TB plus now as a real world minimum point.

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Just now, RejZoR said:

@LukeSavenije

For home users, certainly. I've had SSD in my netbook when ACER Aspire One were still a thing. Atom N270, 1GB RAM and 160GB HDD. Which I swapped for Intel x25M 80GB SSD. After that, there was no turning back. My next laptop had Crucial M4 128GB and next one that I currently have came with 256GB Samsung SSD out of the box (that's not even a DRAM-less crap!). I've switched to 2TB SSD in my main system around 3-4 years ago after running it as hybrid cache for around 2 before that. There is no way I'll ever go back to HDD unless I'd need 10TB or more for some reason for which SSD is still just too costly.

 

For laptops, you don't really need massive capacities and you can get 1TB SSD's cheap now. The rest you put on external HDD which are also cheap. Servers I think will run HDD's for quite a while.

and there is where i think hdd's are and probably will be for a couple years. but in the end it'll be replaced at this speed. even servers start using ssd's more and more, even if it's just for cache

 

2 minutes ago, TheKDub said:

True, and they also create more vibration and heat, while consuming more power.

 

That said, they're still significantly more cost effective than SSDs, especially as you go up in capacity. (4TB HDDs for $100, 6TB HDDs for $150, 10TB HDDs for $300, vs 1TB SSDs for $150, 4TB SSDs for $700, 15.36TB SSDs for $6100)

that's true... it's more a future look, as we've seen the rapid speed the ssd development has. the cost has gone down hardcore

 

2 minutes ago, paddy-stone said:

Better speeds are surely only a good thing. Obviously they need to be thoroughly tested for resiliency and life expectancy etc, but if they equal or better current HDDs and they can keep the prices down to almost same as existing HDDs, then I'm on board. For gamers this will be huge, this may negate the need for an SSD altogether, or at the very least lessen the need for such a big SSD, so you'd only need it for the boot device for the system.

but we all know, new things cost more money... maybe in the future it can be something, but for today, i don't see the use yet


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Just now, CarlBar said:

Who's using a HDD for 1TB though, (new). Tou pretty much don't buy HDDS below a couple of TB and really your starting to push 4TB plus now as a real world minimum point.

as a regular visitor of the new builds sections, 1 and 2 tb is really common there


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27 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

I disagree, specially outside USA the difference between 1TB HDD and 1TB SSD is still more than meaningful.

Inside the US as well. Cheap SSDs are still considerably more expensive than good HDDs.


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I just can't imagine loading anything from the HDD. The one I donated was a WD Caviar Black 2TB that was nearly Velociraptor speeds. It was unbearably slow compared to after we cached the thing with SSD. Or compared to any of my laptops or desktop with SSD only. HDD is bearable if you don't know any better. But once you go SSD it's over.

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