Keyboard Switch?

[Smiles4Miles]

Hello. I have never bought a mech keyboard, and I don't have much money. I was wondering how I could choose out the right stems, springs, housing, etc. I like a very pronounced bump like on a G213 keyboard. I like the rubber dome feel for some reason. I've tried a G710+ but it felt linear to me. Also, any hot swappable keyboard reccomendations for me to use? And most improtantly, any switch that would be good for me?

[191x7]

What do you mean with "it felt linear to me"? You did not notice the bump?

The G213 is a membrane keyboard, there's no bump on it, so I can't understand what you mean.

[Smiles4Miles]

Just now, 191x7 said:

What do you mean with "it felt linear to me"? You did not notice the bump?

The G213 is a membrane keyboard, there's no bump on it, so I can't understand what you mean.

when I pressed the G710+, there was the tiniest bump but it was also choppy. The G213 does have a bump. From what I feel its quite pronounced.

[Bananasplit_00]

4 minutes ago, 191x7 said:

What do you mean with "it felt linear to me"? You did not notice the bump?

The G213 is a membrane keyboard, there's no bump on it, so I can't understand what you mean.

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What...?

 

 

Anyway OP, stick with membrane switches if you like then, if you want mechanical then MX Blue style switches will be the most tactile choice that's easy to find but they are pretty loud. 

[Smiles4Miles]

Just now, Bananasplit_00 said:

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What...?

 

 

Anyway OP, stick with membrane switches if you like then, if you want mechanical then MX Blue style switches will be the most tactile choice that's easy to find but they are pretty loud. 

i have been reading and the holy pandas stood out as one of the best tactile switches? And my friend has the red dragon k55 and i think it has blues from the sound and they are way to loud for my liking

[Hiya!]

Get a semi mechanical from CM or TOPRE (expensive) if u want a mechanical membrane feel. You wont get any membrane feeling on a mechanical keyboard aside from topre.

[Bananasplit_00]

3 minutes ago, Smiles4Miles said:

i have been reading and the holy pandas stood out as one of the best tactile switches? And my friend has the red dragon k55 and i think it has blues from the sound and they are way to loud for my liking

Never heard of them myself before, seem good but you will probably have to do the mod yourself and then find a board to put them in. It's going to be quite a bit of work and lots of money

[Smiles4Miles]

Just now, Bananasplit_00 said:

Never heard of them myself before, seem good but you will probably have to do the mod yourself and then find a board to put them in. It's going to be quite a bit of work and lots of money

dont have much money but i would put in the work

[Hiya!]

8 minutes ago, Bananasplit_00 said:

????????????????? 

What?

G213 is a membrane keyboard or more of a semi mech but it feels membrane to me.

[Bananasplit_00]

Just now, Hiya! said:

G213 is a membrane keyboard or more of a semi mech but it feels membrane to me.

Yes, it's a membrane board. That's not what I was reacting too here. 

Just now, Smiles4Miles said:

dont have much money but i would put in the work

The switches are described as making bank accounts cry. Probably not for you

[Smiles4Miles]

1 minute ago, Hiya! said:

G213 is a membrane keyboard or more of a semi mech but it feels membrane to me.

The G213 is the best feeling keyboard that ive felt and ive felt blues and a g710+. Am I unique and like membrane keyboards more than mech?

[Hiya!]

1 minute ago, Smiles4Miles said:

The G213 is the best feeling keyboard that ive felt and ive felt blues and a g710+. Am I unique and like membrane keyboards more than mech?

no..its personal preference

[Smiles4Miles]

2 minutes ago, Hiya! said:

no..its personal preference

ok. i wish I could try out some halo trues or holy pandas. but I will use my g213 in the meantime

[seon123]

5 minutes ago, Smiles4Miles said:

ok. i wish I could try out some halo trues or holy pandas. but I will use my g213 in the meantime

If you still have your G710+, you could replace the switches. Desolder the old switches and LEDs and solder in the new ones. That would be a lot cheaper than buying another keyboard. 

The Box Royal switches are quite tactile, and they cost $5 for 10. If you want Holy Pandas, Massdrop did have a group buy, so there's a chance it could happen again in the future. 

https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-x-invyr-holy-panda-mechanical-switches

[Smiles4Miles]

4 minutes ago, seon123 said:

If you still have your G710+, you could replace the switches. Desolder the old switches and LEDs and solder in the new ones. That would be a lot cheaper than buying another keyboard. 

The Box Royal switches are quite tactile, and they cost $5 for 10. If you want Holy Pandas, Massdrop did have a group buy, so there's a chance it could happen again in the future. 

https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-x-invyr-holy-panda-mechanical-switches

The g710+ isnt mine. Its my step dads. He would never let me do anything to it. And i looked at the mass drop. I might to just the 10 for 5 to see if i like box royals. Thx! And any hot swappable keyboards for me to get? I dont want to desolder and that stuff to get a keyboard to be how i like it. Not ready for that work yet.

[191x7]

I'm still trying to figure out what you're looking for.

 

A membrane key is quasi-linear, there should be no bumps until the key hits the bottom (and actuates). It's not true linearity because one needs to increase the force while pressing the key in order to bottom-out the key and make it register.

 

MX Blue, MX brown, MX Green (and their clones) as well as Romer-G switches have a bump at the middle of the key travel. That's why those switches aren't linear.

They are tactile. Blue and Green also being audible (the bump makes a clicking noise) while Brown isn't.

Membrane keyboards HAVE NO SUCH BUMP.

 

MX Black, MX Red and such are Linear switches. They do not have a bump at the middle of the key press / key travel. They are more like membrane, but have a consistent actuation force. 

 

If you're mistaking apples and oranges and calling the hard-hit when you bottom-out the membrane key A BUMP (totally inaccurate!)...

In that case, you should try removing the o-rings one the G710+ before trying the switch since the silicone/rubber o-rings are used to dampen the bottom-out effect.

Also, you should be looking at hard linear switches like the MX Black. 

[seon123]

1 hour ago, Smiles4Miles said:

The g710+ isnt mine. Its my step dads. He would never let me do anything to it. And i looked at the mass drop. I might to just the 10 for 5 to see if i like box royals. Thx! And any hot swappable keyboards for me to get? I dont want to desolder and that stuff to get a keyboard to be how i like it. Not ready for that work yet.

You could check out the GMMK. It's not cheap, but I can't think of much cheaper hot swappable ones.

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2 hours ago, 191x7 said:

The G213 is a membrane keyboard, there's no bump

There is a bump, all rubber dome switches are tactile. Also weather the board is membrane or uses a pcb doesn't really affect the the keyfeel that much, its the switches they use, membranes/pcbs are just the sensing method the boards use. 

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2 hours ago, Smiles4Miles said:

holy pandas stood out as one of the best tactile switches?

I think holy pandas are pretty overrated, but they're pretty nice, I prefer them over Zealio V2s and Box Royals as they're a bit more rounded and the bump starts near the middle instead of at the very top. It's really just personal preference. If you want the most snappy get Box Royals or Jailhouse blues. If you want something more rounded get ergo greys/clears, Zealios, or holy pandas. 

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41 minutes ago, seon123 said:

but I can't think of much cheaper hot swappable ones.

There's some cheap gk61/64 kits our there 

[191x7]

10 minutes ago, b emoji said:

There is a bump, all rubber dome switches are tactile. Also weather the board is membrane or uses a pcb doesn't really affect the the keyfeel that much, its the switches they use, membranes/pcbs are just the sensing method the boards use. 

Rubber dome switches are tactile? How, since when? I've been using membrane keyboards since the 90ies and I've never noticed that they actuate before bottoming and have a bump on activation. Some have a non-linear key travel (a dead zone before actuation), but non-linear doesn't mean tactile.

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6 minutes ago, 191x7 said:

Rubber dome switches are tactile? How, since when? I've been using membrane keyboards since the 90ies and I've never noticed that they actuate before bottoming and have a bump on activation. Some have a non-linear key travel (a dead zone before actuation), but non-linear doesn't mean tactile.

Rubber domes are tactile but are tactile in a different sense, also there are plenty of rubber dome and membrane keyboards that actuate before bottoming out, membrane boards that actuates before bottoming out would be the Model M which uses a membrane sheet, and Cherry My switches which also use a membrane, Topre is a rubber dome switch and it also actuates before bottoming out. 

[Dissitesuxba11s]

4 hours ago, Smiles4Miles said:

dont have much money but i would put in the work

In case you are still interested in making Holy Pandas, you would need to get Halo True/Clear switches from Massdrop, and either Invyr Panda switches (discontinued, and sold overpriced on the aftermarket) or YOK Pandas from NovelKeys (currently sold out but Mike is looking to resell them). To make the switch, you take the stem of the Halo True/Clear and put it in the Panda housing along with the Panda spring. Some people like to use the Halo spring instead but that's up to you.

 

Another tactile switch that I would like to recommend are the Outemu Sky and Silent ICE switches. They are almost basically the same switch with the main differences being that the ICE is a silent switch and it can have a transparent housing. Both are sold by u/hbheroinbob on r/mechmarket. Some like to compare them as a slightly less tactile option to Zealios and Zilents respectively, at half the price.

[Smiles4Miles]

2 hours ago, Dissitesuxba11s said:

In case you are still interested in making Holy Pandas, you would need to get Halo True/Clear switches from Massdrop, and either Invyr Panda switches (discontinued, and sold overpriced on the aftermarket) or YOK Pandas from NovelKeys (currently sold out but Mike is looking to resell them). To make the switch, you take the stem of the Halo True/Clear and put it in the Panda housing along with the Panda spring. Some people like to use the Halo spring instead but that's up to you.

 

Another tactile switch that I would like to recommend are the Outemu Sky and Silent ICE switches. They are almost basically the same switch with the main differences being that the ICE is a silent switch and it can have a transparent housing. Both are sold by u/hbheroinbob on r/mechmarket. Some like to compare them as a slightly less tactile option to Zealios and Zilents respectively, at half the price.

I was looking into the silent ice a bit. I do want to try the box roysls first now.

[geo3]

I would personally go for Zealios v2.

 

As for hot swapping keyboard I'd recommend the GMMK. It's available in 3 sizes and both ANSI and ISO layouts.