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Intel CPUs afflicted with simple spec-exec vulnerability

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Just when we thougth that the storm passed way, its disturbing. Lets hope that is heasy to fix. This is more bad news for Intel ia a not so good year for them, lets hope AMD and ARM are out of this as it seems.

 

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SPOILER alert, literally: Intel CPUs afflicted with simple data-spewing spec-exec vulnerability

'Leakage ... is visible in all Intel generations starting from first-gen Core CPUs

By Thomas Claburn in San Francisco

 

5th March 2019 06:34 GMT

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Further demonstrating the computational risks of looking into the future, boffins have found another way to abuse speculative execution in Intel CPUs to steal secrets and other data from running applications.

This security shortcoming can be potentially exploited by malicious JavaScript within a web browser tab, or malware running on a system, or rogue logged-in users, to extract passwords, keys, and other data from memory. An attacker therefore requires some kind of foothold in your machine in order to pull this off. The vulnerability, it appears, cannot be easily fixed or mitigated without significant redesign work at the silicon level.

Speculative execution, the practice of allowing processors to perform future work that may or may not be needed while they await the completion of other computations, is what enabled the Spectre vulnerabilities revealed early last year.

In a research paper distributed this month through pre-print service ArXiv, "SPOILER: Speculative Load Hazards Boost Rowhammer and Cache Attacks," computer scientists at Worcester Polytechnic Institute in the US, and the University of Lübeck in Germany, describe a new way to abuse the performance boost.

 

The researchers – Saad Islam, Ahmad Moghimi, Ida Bruhns, Moritz Krebbel, Berk Gulmezoglu, Thomas Eisenbarth and Berk Sunar – have found that "a weakness in the address speculation of Intel’s proprietary implementation of the memory subsystem" reveals memory layout data, making other attacks like Rowhammer much easier to carry out.

The researchers also examined Arm and AMD processor cores, but found they did not exhibit similar behavior.

"We have discovered a novel microarchitectural leakage which reveals critical information about physical page mappings to user space processes," the researchers explain.

"The leakage can be exploited by a limited set of instructions, which is visible in all Intel generations starting from the 1st generation of Intel Core processors, independent of the OS and also works from within virtual machines and sandboxed environments."

 

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The issue is separate from the Spectre vulnerabilities, and is not addressed by existing mitigations. It can be exploited from user space without elevated privileges.

SPOILER doesn't stand for anything. In an email to The Register, Daniel (Ahmad) Moghimi explained: "We picked a named that starts with 'Sp', since it's an issue due to speculative execution and it kinda spoils existing security assumptions on modern CPUs."

SPOILER describes a technique for discerning the relationship between virtual and physical memory by measuring the timing of speculative load and store operations, and looking for discrepancies that reveal memory layout.

"The root cause of the issue is that the memory operations execute speculatively and the processor resolves the dependency when the full physical address bits are available," said Moghimi. "Physical address bits are security sensitive information and if they are available to user space, it elevates the user to perform other micro architectural attacks."

Memory madness

Modern processors manage reading and writing to RAM using a memory order buffer to keep track of operations. The buffer is used to perform store instructions – copying data from a CPU register to main memory – in the order they are laid out in executable code, and perform load operations – copying data from main memory to a register – out-of-order, speculatively. It allows the processor to run ahead and speculatively fetch information from RAM into the registers, provided there are no dependency problems, such as a load relying on an earlier store that hasn't yet completed.

Speculating about a load operation may result in false dependencies if physical address information isn't available. Intel's chips perform memory disambiguation to prevent computation on invalid data, arising from incorrect speculation.

They just don't do it all that well. "The root cause for SPOILER is a weakness in the address speculation of Intel’s proprietary implementation of the memory subsystem which directly leaks timing behavior due to physical address conflicts," the paper explains.

"Our algorithm, fills up the store buffer within the processors with addresses that have the same offset but they are in different virtual pages," said Moghimi. "Then, we issue a memory load that has the same offset similarly but from a different memory page and measure the time of the load. By iterating over a good number of virtual pages, the timing reveals information about the dependency resolution failures in multiple stages."

 

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SPOILER, the researchers say, will make existing Rowhammer and cache attacks easier, and make JavaScript-enabled attacks more feasible – instead of taking weeks, Rowhammer could take just seconds. Moghimi said the paper describes a JavaScript-based cache prime+probe technique that can be triggered with a click to leak private data and cryptographic keys not protected from cache timing attacks.

Mitigations may prove hard to come by. "There is no software mitigation that can completely erase this problem," the researchers say. Chip architecture fixes may work, they add, but at the cost of performance.

Intel is said to have been informed of the findings on December 1, 2018. The chip maker did not immediately respond to a request for comment. The paper's release comes after the 90 day grace period that's common in the security community for responsible disclosure.

Moghimi doubts Intel has a viable response. "My personal opinion is that when it comes to the memory subsystem, it's very hard to make any changes and it's not something you can patch easily with a microcode without losing tremendous performance," he said.

"So I don't think we will see a patch for this type of attack in the next five years and that could be a reason why they haven't issued a CVE." ®

 

 

 

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https://www.theregister.co.uk/AMP/2019/03/05/spoiler_intel_flaw/?fbclid=IwAR1cNJpT5I_xr1Up96BaAWrVDJrz_FAI0wiRH-mcy0qhlqTh5-cEyY47irE

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The researchers also examined Arm and AMD processor cores, but found they did not exhibit similar behavior

*deep, hard groan and rather frustrated looks towards her Intel-box*

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50 minutes ago, vitor_cut said:

This plus the 10nm problems, plus the problems in suply chain, this year is gething ugly for Intel

 

so bad their revenue still goes up?

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I dont know if we have numbers for 2019 already? Please chare them with us.

 

 

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More good news for Intel!

After totally messing up their 10nm process.
After AMD quadruppling their market share in Server market within a year (from 0,8 to 3,2%)

After AMD demonstrating 7nm hardware and even selling it without having anything to counter them


Yeah, looks good for Intel right now.

Some people might still try to defend Intel and claim "oh not that bad, they will survive". While frogetting that the manufacturing is the Prolbem that Intel has right now! The R&D is getting rediculously expensive, to a level where even Intel has Problems with that. And only the biggest FABs (like TSMC) are able to finance that...

 


The situation INtel is in is best described like this:
Your house is on Fire (=Intel) and the fire truck that is next to you caught fire before the fire fighters could reach your house.

 

After Spectre & Meltdown people are looking into this stuff and looking for other stuff.

Its obvious that the Processors most affected by that will be affected by other stuff as well.

 

 

PS: I still do not believe for one second that Intel didn't know about it or had its suspicions about it.

It might be the performance <-> Security 

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, pas008 said:

so bad their revenue still goes up?

so far but look at the Planet3dNow Link I've posted in some other thread...

 

 

Because the real burning iron is not here yet, that was just demonstrated in CES recently...

You know that demonstration where one competing product beats a dual socket Intel...

 


I really don't get why you don't see the wall they are driving into.

 

But hey, Netburst was an amazing product. The financially success of it proves that it was awesome. Right?

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

so far but look at the Planet3dNow Link I've posted in some other thread...

 

 

Because the real burning iron is not here yet, that was just demonstrated in CES recently...

You know that demonstration where one competing product beats a dual socket Intel...

 


I really don't get why you don't see the wall they are driving into.

 

But hey, Netburst was an amazing product. The financially success of it proves that it was awesome. Right?

 

 

how much money did they bring in last yr?

do they only make cpus?

 

yes they can weather a 5yr storm if needed to be I believe

prolly longer

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7 minutes ago, pas008 said:

how much money did they bring in last yr?

do they only make cpus?

Another vulnerability doesn't look good for Intel, but yeah it isn't as serious as the clickbait news makes it seem, the browser has to be running Javascript or the system be infected with malware in the first place.

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how much money did they bring in last yr?

do they only make cpus?

Ah, so CPUs are not important.

The Lawsuit from Qualcom is not important.

The preassure from all sides is not important.

 

Oh I forgot taht Intel is the unfailable god that will be rattled by nothing...

 

Yeah, Client Computing Group and Datacenter Group only makes around 60% of their Business:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/495928/net-revenue-of-intel-by-segment/

 

Even if they have other segments, like AMD had at some time, wich they sold (like mobile Graphics to Qualcom, Flash memory, Networking) and they still have other parts.

Still, their most important part is CPU (after GPU)...

 

But wait for their revenue report this year and especially next year!

 

That will be interesting, when there is more reports about AMD beeing faster/better and people buying more AMD or even Intel beeing forced to reduce their prices because a 200€ AMD CPU is as good/fast as their 500€ one.

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iNtEl BtFo AgAiN /s

Yeah, this one's a bit weird because it either requires something that's running Javascript or some shit already on your computer for this to actually be exploited in any meaningful way.

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1 minute ago, Blademaster91 said:

Another vulnerability doesn't look good for Intel, but it isn't as serious as the clickbait news makes it seem, the browser has to be running Javascript or the system be infected with malware in the first place.

The Problem is that there is a vulnerability, that it is in the news-

 

That is an Image Problem.

If the Fault is bad enough, you can argue that the CPU is faulty and thus an extraordinary replacement (like some did with the GTX970) is warranted.


Right now its not that important.

But how about when Ryzen 3000 is out and people realize they bought the wrong thing and could get soo much better stuff??

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15 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

Ah, so CPUs are not important.

The Lawsuit from Qualcom is not important.

The preassure from all sides is not important.

 

Oh I forgot taht Intel is the unfailable god that will be rattled by nothing...

 

Yeah, Client Computing Group and Datacenter Group only makes around 60% of their Business:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/495928/net-revenue-of-intel-by-segment/

 

Even if they have other segments, like AMD had at some time, wich they sold (like mobile Graphics to Qualcom, Flash memory, Networking) and they still have other parts.

Still, their most important part is CPU (after GPU)...

 

But wait for their revenue report this year and especially next year!

 

That will be interesting, when there is more reports about AMD beeing faster/better and people buying more AMD or even Intel beeing forced to reduce their prices because a 200€ AMD CPU is as good/fast as their 500€ one.

 

12 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

The Problem is that there is a vulnerability, that it is in the news-

 

That is an Image Problem.

If the Fault is bad enough, you can argue that the CPU is faulty and thus an extraordinary replacement (like some did with the GTX970) is warranted.


Right now its not that important.

But how about when Ryzen 3000 is out and people realize they bought the wrong thing and could get soo much better stuff??

your hatred runs so deep

lol their revenue still went up after spectre/etc problems

selling out everything lol

 

and you act like intel cant do chiplet design when we all know they did it long ass time ago

when amd first said the glue statement

 

and tech demo is a tech demo we havent seen the next zen yet

I am waiting myself but just like any tech demo I know not to get my hopes up seen too many throughout my life to know they arent as accurate all the time, I hope so

970 comment is ridiculous too it still performed like it should

fyi I got my 60 dollars because why not lol

 

what qualcomm lawsuit

you mean where intel is prolly going to get arm licenses?

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2 minutes ago, pas008 said:

and you act like intel cant do chiplet design when we all know they did it long ass time ago

when amd first said the glue statement

What wasn't chiplet but yes Intel does have the tech to do it, EMIB.

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4 minutes ago, leadeater said:

What wasn't chiplet but yes Intel does have the tech to do it, EMIB.

yes i know they didnt have all the rest but still having cores glued ?

 

which would result to soc chiplet design because why would they need all those things doubled up

or do they? lol

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Yeah, some real Competition, more performance with better prices on the other side and some "oopsies" on  the Image side will absolutely not have an impact.

 

That Intel still could raise their revenue is because the Market is broken but you can live off of your name, wich Intel does right now, for so long.

And if the attacks on your brand continue, wich this is, you got a Problem.


With Spectre/Meltdown the Tech Press did everything in their power to convince the average joe that its the same on AMD as well, even if its not true.

This time the developers outright said "nope, not on ARM and AMD".

THAT is a big difference...

 

But who'd get the 500€ Intel CPU instead of a similar perforoming product from the other side for like 170-250€???

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3 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

Yeah, some real Competition, more performance with better prices on the other side and some "oopsies" on  the Image side will absolutely not have an impact.

 

That Intel still could raise their revenue is because the Market is broken but you can live off of your name, wich Intel does right now, for so long.

And if the attacks on your brand continue, wich this is, you got a Problem.


With Spectre/Meltdown the Tech Press did everything in their power to convince the average joe that its the same on AMD as well, even if its not true.

This time the developers outright said "nope, not on ARM and AMD".

THAT is a big difference...

 

But who'd get the 500€ Intel CPU instead of a similar perforoming product from the other side for like 170-250€???

where you getting more performance?

lol isnt this user defined?

90% of programs are stilll single core

huge gamer pie is 1080p still

intel is performing better on many fronts for now, which is why i'm waiting for next zen to see if zen can over take them but that still a hogwash why cause intel has not conquered the node shrink yet or chiplet design yet

it is fun to watch but I cant be fanboy or antifanboy because I buy the best product for me period

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Give it a month, see if it is still a thing then or if everyone has forgotten about it.

 

On performance, pick your CPU for the task at hand. My 1700 is the fastest single CPU I have for Cinebench R15, but in other uses I can beat it with a 5675C from how many generations ago? For light but scaleable use cases Ryzen is great value, but when the going gets tough differences will show up and you have to decide what you really need.

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but when the going gets tough differences will show up and you have to decide what you really need

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7 minutes ago, pas008 said:

intel is performing better on many fronts for now

Because that's how it is right now, it has to be that way in all eternity??

 

7 minutes ago, pas008 said:

, which is why i'm waiting for next zen to see if zen can over take them but that still a hogwash why cause intel has not conquered the node shrink yet or chiplet design yet

You weren't defending Bulldozer for beeing a 32nm design vs. the 22nm Intels, were you??

 

Yes, the node is kinda important. Just look at Intel! 

The best case for that is Bloomfield -> Westmere. Both are LGA1366 CPUs, one is 45nm, the other is 32nm and the 32nm one is soo much better in any way.

 

With 14nm vs 7nm you're at a serious disadvantage...

Same as AMD with 32nm SOI, when the other Side had 22nm running...

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53 minutes ago, pas008 said:

how much money did they bring in last yr?

do they only make cpus?

 

yes they can weather a 5yr storm if needed to be I believe

prolly longer

Intel could literally stop all sales of every single product, and continue to employ their entire workforce as normal for 5+ years before running out of money.

 

There's no doubt they are successful, but they are making some huge mistakes lately.

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Just now, dalekphalm said:

Intel could literally stop all sales of every single product, and continue to employ their entire workforce as normal for 5+ years before running out of money.

 

There's no doubt they are successful, but they are making some huge mistakes lately.

which mistakes? not doubting some but looking for your opinion

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