How about another Ryzen 3000 leak? Just for fun.

[Fasauceome]

Source:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-3000-specification-price,38731.html

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Singaporean retailer Bizgram recently published a product catalog featuring some surprising newcomers: the Ryzen 3000 series. These CPUs have not been officially announced yet, although these specific model names have been leaked before. 

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More interesting are the CPUs listed, which are identical not only in name but also in the order listed in AdoredTV's leak last year. It's hard to say what's happened here with this listing. Perhaps Bizgram just copied the rumored spec sheet and guessed what pricing would be. Or these CPUs could be authentic, Bizgram accidentally published them in this listing, and AdoredTV's leaked spec sheet is accurate up to model names and prices. Everyone would like for this rumor to be true, but given how little AMD has talked about Ryzen 3000, it's hard to make any sort of judgment at this stage.

What I find unique about this list is how precise and sensible the pricing is for the products. The only parts of these lists I've had doubts about due to the speculative nature is the Navi integrated graphics solution for the G models. Everything else we know about the new Ryzen stuff like what was demoed at CES shows serious promise, and the new efficiency of the Zen 2 microarchitecture will hopefully let up on that tough voltage curve and give overclockers a bit more room. These leaks seem really credible if I'm being honest.

[r2724r16]

33 minutes ago, fasauceome said:

 

Also @fasauceome your title says "Ryzen 300 leak", not "Ryzen 3000 leak"

[SenKa]

The 3850X has my sale. 16C/32T is exactly what I need. Was gonna go low end TR, but I was having issues finding a good cooler. Also means I can build ITX, as I wanted

[CommandMan7]

I want this to be true very much. I'm glad that it matches AdoredTv's leaks that predicted the 3700X at 5Ghz:

 

Highly recommend his channel. Excellent analysis of Ryzen 3000 likely specs.

Pricing of this leak is about $50 higher at $379 but even then it would be a killer CPU and for sure my next upgrade.

[TetraSky]

Here's hoping it's all true. Lord knows I need this...

[williamcll]

In case that document gets removed here is the price list:
AMD Ryzen.............................................Ryzen 3 3300.............151
AMD Ryzen.............................................Ryzen 3 3300G..........196

AMD Ryzen.............................................Ryzen 3 3300X..........196

AMD Ryzen.............................................Ryzen 5 3600.............271

AMD Ryzen.............................................Ryzen 5 3600G......... 303

AMD Ryzen.............................................Ryzen 5 3600X......... 349

AMD Ryzen.............................................Ryzen 7 3700........... 455

AMD Ryzen.............................................Ryzen 7 3700X..........501

AMD Ryzen.............................................Ryzen 9 3800X......... 684

AMD Ryzen.............................................Ryzen 9 3850X..........760

[Doobeedoo]

I mean this would be awesome. Though I kinda expect prices more in line what we've had with Ryzen in general. 

[Nocte]

10 hours ago, CommandMan7 said:

Pricing of this leak is about $50 higher

Pricing of this leak is in Singaporean Dollars, not USD. (1 USD = 1.36 SGD)

[yian88]

Intel is screwed huehue. Apple ditching intel, AMD crushing intel on desktop and gaining server share.  Intel's FOVEROS stacking wont help them in the server space. I still dont understand their DRAM stacking on chips idea. Maybe those will be low power SOC for laptops and Microsoft stuff, since apple wont use them and neither will desktop people it seems pointless to me.

[Nicnac]

me wantey

 

Would be pretty sick to have that many cores on a consumer cpu.

Guess I better start saving up lol.

AMD yo, this is seriously disruptive

 

 

[Sovek]

40 minutes ago, yian88 said:

Intel is screwed huehue. Apple ditching intel, AMD crushing intel on desktop and gaining server share.  Intel's FOVEROS stacking wont help them in the server space. I still dont understand their DRAM stacking on chips idea. Maybe those will be low power SOC for laptops and Microsoft stuff, since apple wont use them and neither will desktop people it seems pointless to me.

I watched a video on that, Apparently the idea is to reduce latency and increase memory bandwidth to allow for super fast computation, which would be a game changer. Right now Intel and Ryzen offer 16MB of cache, thats not a whole lot compared to system RAM. The video was suggesting upwards of a gig of cache.... thats the game changer. 

 

The problem I have with this approach is, even if it works, whats the price gonna be like, Cause I can't see the yield rates being too high. Intel is already known to have yield problems with its 10nm die shrink, while AMD is looking at a launch of Q2-Q3 of its 7nm die shrink. Stacking a bunch of memory on top? yikes. And then there is heat. I can't imagine that its going to do the CPU or memory to have to pass the heat through the memory to the heatsink. Low power, ok. but high end workloads where CPU's can reach 70s-80s, I can't imagine that doing wonders for the memory. And then how long before the chip fails because the memory its shot and keeps crashing the computer. 

[BuckGup]

5.1Ghz 16 cores is nice. I will be getting that

[Fasauceome]

10 minutes ago, VegetableStu said:

my initial guess would be Ryzen capping out at 12 cores, but if it's indeed 16 cores, there might be core-count increases for the lowest end Threadripper 3000. a 16c32t TR3000 part costing 700-770 USD would be too easy (also 16 cores over 8 dies? would they go back to spacers over 4 dies? (6 spacers would be too much I think o_o))

In terms of a product stack, I feel like it makes no sense to cannibalize the HEDT line so early in Zen's life, but from a technological standpoint, the dual chiplet space does allow for 16 cores so it would be a waste to artificially reserve core count.

[Mihle]

17 minutes ago, VegetableStu said:

 

note: numbers from eKatalog (a retailer in russia) has been referenced by WCCF and Adored 

 

Wait, what? Adored numbers as you link to there was not from a retailer. It was from someone contacted Adored directly, but wanted to be anonymous (he says), most likely from a board partner or AMD itself, but no one knows exept maybe Adored. The eKatalog thing happened AFTER adored leak.

[Stefan Payne]

19 minutes ago, VegetableStu said:

my initial guess would be Ryzen capping out at 12 cores, but if it's indeed 16 cores, there might be core-count increases for the lowest end Threadripper 3000. a 16c32t TR3000 part costing 700-770 USD would be too easy (also 16 cores over 8 dies? would they go back to spacers over 4 dies? (6 spacers would be too much I think o_o))

With the new architecture there is no need to go to 8 Dies, you can do that with whatever you like.

Most likely it would be 4 Dies with 4 Cores each.

 

Because they have a central I/O Die with the Memory Controllers, SATA and the other stuff to wich you connect the dies to.

 

And AMD already demonstrated that you don't need all the dies for it to work at CES.

 

So a 1 Die Threadripper would also be possible

But I'd say that they go Threadripper from 16-32 Cores, just like this time.

[Mihle]

8 minutes ago, VegetableStu said:

and if we do go with 6c bits, then it'll be 4x6c (24c48t with 4 spacers), and/or 8x6c (48c96t no spacers) CPUs (which... that number of cores on a "consumer"-side HEDT scares me actually o_o I think AMD wouldn't want to drop-in full 64 cores for threadripper so soon o_o)

 

If they do 64 core Threadripper, I bet it will definitely come out way later than the other ones.

[cj09beira]

44 minutes ago, VegetableStu said:

I'd believe if they point to next year even ._. although 2020 is when development on the AM4 socket would run out (not sure if Jan or Dec ._.), so kinda unsure if TR4 would follow suit or just stay around for one more year

epyc socket sp3 is confirmed to stay the same until zen 3, so threadripper should do the same 

[PlayStation 2]

Honestly, if the 3700X comes to be a 12c/24t CPU, then I wonder how cheap the Threadripper parts could get. I could use the 16c/32t one.

[CarlBar]

On 3/3/2019 at 12:30 PM, VegetableStu said:

USD price numbers once more (not doing import & tax removal estimate, because prices of Ryzen 2000 from Bizgram is quite close o_o except for threadripper though)

 

note: numbers from eKatalog (a retailer in russia) has been referenced by WCCF and Adored (Ryzen CES release schedule guesses are wrong; Adored's late interpretation change to Ryzen 3000 being monolithic before CES is wrong), so salt it up

EDIT: other way around. Adored got the numbers and the other two picked it up. my bad.

 

		core/thread	GHz/boost	USD [Bizgram]	ATV est
Z1 APU	R3 2200G	4c4T G	3.2 / 3.6	99 <-
Z1 APU	R5 2400G	4c8T G	3.6 / 3.9	169 <-
R5 2600 (Zen+)		6c12T	3.4 / 3.9	199
R7 2700 (Zen+)		8c16T	3.2 / 4.1	299
Z+ APU	R3 3300G	6c12T? G	3.0 / 3.8	[145]	130
Z+ APU	R5 3600G	8c16T? G	3.2 / 4.0	[224]	200

if pricing holds true, the core count increase might be a thing

 

		core/thread	GHz/boost	USD [Bizgram]	ATV est
R3 2300X		4c4T	3.5 / 4.0	OEM LOL
Zen 2	R3 3300	6c12T?	3.2 / 4.0	[112]	100
Zen 2	R3 3300X	6c12T?	3.5 / 4.3	[145]	130

not enough Ryzen 2000 data i guess ._.

 

		core/thread	GHz/boost	USD [Bizgram]	ATV est
R5 2600		6c12T	3.4 / 3.9	199
R5 2600X		6c12T	3.6 / 4.2	229
Zen 2	R5 3600	8c16T?	3.6 / 4.4	[200]	180
Zen 2	R5 3600X	8c16T?	4.0 / 4.8	[258]	230

an unnamed 8c16T Ryzen 3000 part was demoed against the 9900K (with MCE enabled; $490-$500 SRP), so if this is an R5 part I'd be mildly surprised actually ._.

my baseless guess would still be on this being an R7 part (AMD can't possibly be splitting the 9900K in two?), but time will tell

 

current 10th gen intel rumors (super super super casual mention) point to desktop parts holding up to 10 cores, so splitting the difference for all the stacks like 9th gen... kinda checks out for both parties?

 

		core/thread	GHz/boost	USD [Bizgram]	ATV est
R7 2700		8c16T	3.2 / 4.1	299
R7 2700X		8c16T	3.6 / 4.1	329
Zen 2	R7 3700	12c24T?	3.8 / 4.6	[336]	300
Zen 2	R7 3700X	12c24T?	4.2 / 5.0	[370]	330

Price probably checks out, but with the comment I made earlier I'm still reserving judgement

 

		c/t	GHz/boost	USD [Bizgram]	ATV est
R7 2700X		8c16T	3.6 / 4.1	329
TR 1900X		8c16T	3.8 / 4.0	549
TR 2920X		12c24T	3.5 / 4.3	649
TR 2950X		16c32T	3.5 / 4.4	899
Zen 2	R9 3800X	16c32T?!	3.9 / 4.7	[505]	450
Zen 2	R9 3850X	16c32T?!	4.3 / 5.1	[561]	500

my initial guess would be Ryzen capping out at 12 cores, but if it's indeed 16 cores, there might be core-count increases for the lowest end Threadripper 3000. a 16c32t TR3000 part costing 700-770 USD would be too easy (also 16 cores over 8 dies? would they go back to spacers over 4 dies? (6 spacers would be too much I think o_o))

 

... i need sleep

 

Adored originally claimed they would be chiplet based, but then received a further leak, (which other news outlets claimed to have got independently as well), stating it would be monolithic.

 

Edited March 6, 2019 by wkdpaul
cleanup

[dgsddfgdfhgs]

Ryzen 5 3600G    8 / 16    Navi (20 CU)    3.2 / 4.0GHz    95W    $224    $199

Not worried about high end ones (cant complain in any way!)

 

Could Navi (20 CU) (~2x gt1030) catch up  with gtx1050?

"11CU = gt1030 perf"

thats basically a r7 1800x with free great gpu at ~$225/200

 

 

[boey]

On 3/3/2019 at 8:37 AM, fasauceome said:

Source:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-3000-specification-price,38731.html

What I find unique about this list is how precise and sensible the pricing is for the products. The only parts of these lists I've had doubts about due to the speculative nature is the Navi integrated graphics solution for the G models. Everything else we know about the new Ryzen stuff like what was demoed at CES shows serious promise, and the new efficiency of the Zen 2 microarchitecture will hopefully let up on that tough voltage curve and give overclockers a bit more room. These leaks seem really credible if I'm being honest.

I contacted them about it, and they said it’ll come within 5 weeks. I’m still waiting for a reply about the prices though.

[Quadriplegic]

2 minutes ago, _d0nut said:

I contacted them about it, and they said it’ll come within 5 weeks. I’m still waiting for a reply about the prices though.

Wot.


Let them know that they will be hanged by balls if this isn't true.

[Fasauceome]

1 minute ago, _d0nut said:

I contacted them about it, and they said it’ll come within 5 weeks. I’m still waiting for a reply about the prices though.

In terms of availability, that's what everyone expected. Mid April is basically right on schedule for and AMD CPU release so far.

[boey]

17 minutes ago, VegetableStu said:

assume they're SRP-based prices. their 9th gen leak was 99%-101% SRP numbers and it's nowhere near that number today, lol

based on 2700x pricing it should be around 5-10% markup from msrp

[Fasauceome]

7 minutes ago, VegetableStu said:

in this attempt to bring this back on topic: the pricelist also mentions a Zotac GTX 1650TI 4GB at 329SGD o_o that's the price of a 1060 6GB

Seems a bit steep, for 1060 6GB price you probably get 1060 6GB perf, but the 1660 ti and 2060 have show to be better value.