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Intel Confirms: Macs to switch to ARM by 2020.

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ARM Computers yes/no?  

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  1. 1. Would you buy an ARM computer as a daily driver?

    • No, thank you
      91
    • Yes please!
      21
    • Let's see the performance figures first - we need more information.
      134
    • as long as all my programs will work, sure, that's really what matters nowadays.
      73

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4 hours ago, Bananasplit_00 said:

Games work pretty damn well now with Lutris, DXVK and Proton but the rest of that is very true. Having three monitors is a glitchy mess sadly... I still vastly prefer my Linux install over Windows 10 as it is just quicker, eats less resources and doesn't send back fuck loads of telemetry. Nvidia seems to be to blame for most of my issues though. 

Well not all issues are just nvidia fault, the design of linux systems is pretty poor, for instance i have 2 GPU RX 580 and gt440 and i cant install both nvidia and amd gpu drivers, it only works with nouveau which is crappy driver slow and stutter, so i cant use 2 different GPU's at the same time, bummer i wanted to try out PCIe passtrough not a chance, windows works flawless with 2 different GPU drivers, heck i could probably use intel iGPU + AMD + Nvidia gpu's all at once.

And im really done with scripting, whoever develops anything for linux needs to make setup/configuration automatic.

 

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So..... no Bootcamp anymore? No native support for Windows dual boot anymore?

 

Some of my CAD software only works on Windows, I need dual boot. I'm out.

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On 3/2/2019 at 6:52 PM, Finwillwin said:

Intel is in deep trouble, AMD is making giant leaps in desktop PCs and ARM is now getting put in laptops and MACs.  

 

On 3/2/2019 at 7:07 PM, mr moose said:

No they're not.  AMD's "giant leaps"  are only catching them upto Intel and ARM have at least a decade long developmental path before they are anywhere near workstation/server suitable.

 

Intel losing marketshare was my first thought, but after looking for some numbers, it seems this won't have a large effect. There will be some effect, but noting ship-sinking.

https://variety.com/2018/digital/news/apple-intel-chips-1202741497/

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Intel has been supplying processors to Apple ever since the company switched from a previous processor architecture to the company’s chips in 2006. The company is currently responsible for as much as 5 percent of Intel’s revenue, according to Bloomberg.

 

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8 minutes ago, Jtalk4456 said:

 

 

Intel losing marketshare was my first thought, but after looking for some numbers, it seems this won't have a large effect. There will be some effect, but noting ship-sinking.

https://variety.com/2018/digital/news/apple-intel-chips-1202741497/

 

Ouch, they couldn't even state that the previous arch was PowerPC, how rude.

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52 minutes ago, yian88 said:

Well not all issues are just nvidia fault, the design of linux systems is pretty poor, for instance i have 2 GPU RX 580 and gt440 and i cant install both nvidia and amd gpu drivers, it only works with nouveau which is crappy driver slow and stutter, so i cant use 2 different GPU's at the same time, bummer i wanted to try out PCIe passtrough not a chance, windows works flawless with 2 different GPU drivers, heck i could probably use intel iGPU + AMD + Nvidia gpu's all at once.

And im really done with scripting, whoever develops anything for linux needs to make setup/configuration automatic.

 

Im sure there are problems for other people that are not NVIDIAs fault but their drivers are to blame for most of mine

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6 hours ago, LAwLz said:

I don't really care what your dad works with or what he says. Again, it's at best hearsay. 

 

What do you mean by "smaller companies will manufacture an ARM CPU specific to what the customer wants"? ARM processors are generic CPUs. They are not like ASICS. 

 

And I don't have to take your word for anything. 1) because I don't trust your word. I have no reason to. 

2) we already have benchmarks such as the AWS A1 instances I linked to earlier, and the numbers are not that good. 

Sure they are generic but they can range widely. Like one might be made for extreme amounts of memory bandwidth as the computer will be based around super high volumes of RAM used almost like a RAM disk. The benchmarks aren't public btw so yeah I guess you would just have to take everything I say as the truth lol

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On 3/2/2019 at 6:49 PM, Thaldor said:

maybe the "power users" aren't Apples main aim anymore.

...This definitely seems to be the case. I mean, converting all macbooks and desktops to ARM and iOS, essentially making them a more glorified iPad is not going to gain them any enthusiasts, that's for sure. But I think Apple is ok if that segment fails, their main money makers are iPhones and iPads (not to mention iTunes/AppStore sales). All of their laptops and desktops are already in the shadow of "PC" users with all the customization options, cheaper prices, and pretty much all the same software compatibility nowadays. Their only option is to completely lock down laptops and desktops with parts 100% designed and manufactured by them and hope that keeps more people in their absolutely terrible hardware/support ecosystem. i.e $$$

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11 minutes ago, EarthWormJM2 said:

...This definitely seems to be the case. I mean, converting all macbooks and desktops to ARM and iOS, essentially making them a more glorified iPad is not going to gain them any enthusiasts, that's for sure. But I think Apple is ok if that segment fails, their main money makers are iPhones and iPads (not to mention iTunes/AppStore sales). All of their laptops and desktops are already in the shadow of "PC" users with all the customization options, cheaper prices, and pretty much all the same software compatibility nowadays. Their only option is to completely lock down laptops and desktops with parts 100% designed and manufactured by them and hope that keeps more people in their absolutely terrible hardware/support ecosystem. i.e $$$

Pretty much. It's been a long time since Apple made really powerful machines, and I mean something that you could actually do the whole pipeline and not only make 3D models, animations for them and then edit the rendered video. Yeah, someone could argue that if you aren't going to spend a ton of money on one render rig, reder farm is better choice and you can just build it from Macs, but then again with the same amount of money you can get way better render farm custom build than dandychain Mac Minis or office full of iMacs or even Mac Pros. And recent release just clarify the point that Apple goes "sexiness" before performance, it's not sexy to have PC filled with powerful GPUs, CPU and a lot of RAM and being able to run it 24/7 in 100% load without thermal explosion, it's far more sexier to have AIO machine that can't even run full minute in 100% load without overheating and "powerful" pad that has a weakpoint build in so it can be folded.

 

Also for people arguing about ARM being powerful because it's used in super computers. Those behemoths are purpose build always, they do few things and they are the best in it and in other tasks, while they can do something but quite often it's far better to dig out some old laptop and do that task with it. While a mainframe can calculate paths of million stars with ease while your i9-based system is good if it can calculate 1% of that amount in the same time, that mainframe will be crushed easily in Cinebench, because it's not build to do it and Cinebench just can't even run on it. "Can you run Crysis on it?" no, your Windows XP machines from the time Crysis was released would run Crysis better than a mainframe with million times the computing power of your XP machine. So, it's not apples to apples comparison to say that there's mainframes build on ARM so ARM is already powerful enough for desktop use. While yes, there's powerful ARM processors out there, the question still remains can Apple make them run general tasks like modern x86 desktop CPUs. And yeah there's a lot of good mobile CPUs that are ARM, but even the newest and the most powerful ones are still far away performancewise from desktop CPUs.

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13 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

Alsost certainly never going to happen. The iPad Pro serves that purpose in the product stack. A Surface like Mac does not fit into the Mac lineup. It’s a formfactor of compromises for the neat gimmick of being able to remove the “required” keyboard that sacrifices lapability and usability. 

  

Also remember that Apple is against touchscreen Macs altogether, so that definitely means a tablet Mac is out of the question, yet alone a ARM based one. 

I thought the direction Apple was heading was slim, 'surface like' device with multiple use cases, I think story indicates they want the devices to be distinctly different but to somewhat interchange functionality. From what I've heard, iOS 13 will have improvements for the iPad, my guess it will gain more functionality to be similar to a Macbook. That's the obvious transition, instead of 'dumbing down' the Macbook rather elevating functionality of the iPad but still keeping them separate devices.

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On 3/3/2019 at 3:45 PM, yian88 said:

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On 3/3/2019 at 5:13 PM, yian88 said:

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Okay, gonna explain why you're wrong then.

 

 

 

On 3/3/2019 at 3:45 PM, yian88 said:

Read where i said that the entire software stack built by random people xorg, wayland, DE's, compositors etc are not stable or low resource usage and they will never be. And when i mean stable i dont mean you boot to desktop and it works, i mean switching multi windows, high refresh/high resolution multi-monitors, games, graphical apps and so on they behave like shit, lock up freeze or need restart quite often on all distros on all hardware.

Windows, MacOS, Android and basically all operating systems are built by “random people”. For example Android is based on Linux with contributions from all 84 members of the OHA, plus some volunteers and other people.

For example the zlib in android was written by Jean-loup Gailly at gzip, and Mark Adler at caltech, and their work was based on RFC 1950 written in 1996 by J-L Gailly and Peter Deutsch. The entire Android runtime was based on the specifications of Java, developed by Oracle/Sun.

Webkit/Blink used in Android for things like WebView is based on WebKit, which in turn is based on the KDE HTML layout engine and KJS engine.

The specifications for C are also done by “random people”. For example the C18 specifications (newest standard of C, which major parts of Android are programmed in) were written by the ISO/EIC JTC 1/SC 22 workgroup over at ISO.

Windows itself is also written by "a bunch of random people" and the people working on it today are very different from the ones who worked on it maybe 10 years ago. It's easy to see Microsoft as one single entity, but in reality it's also just a bunch of people, doing their own things with some guidelines and oversight from a maintainer (just like all software projects, including open source ones like Linux). And all of them rely on things other developers have created.

 

The things you listed there, high refresh rate, games, graphics apps, etc, all of those things on Windows are developed by people other than Microsoft. Those are the tasks of the graphics drivers, just like they are on Linux, MacOS, Android, etc. There is no difference there. Windows doesn't have better support for things like variable refresh rate because Microsoft developed it. Windows has better refresh rate because a third party driver developer decided to put more time and effort into making their graphics drivers on Windows work well compared to Linux.

 

And just because you have had issues with things freezing or locking up does not mean it is Linux's fault, just like I can't necessarily blame a program crashing in Windows on Microsoft.

 

 

On 3/3/2019 at 3:45 PM, yian88 said:

Yes linux kernel is very good, and can be very stable as desktop OS but it needs a platform developed as one not random components that dont work togheter well, we need something like android where all the API, UI, security etc built on top of the kernel is unified and works flawless.

Bahahaha....

1) Androids is nowhere near "flawless".

2) Android, as well as all operating systems, are more to some extent "random components that work (don't) together", just like on Linux. A modular OS design is really good and it's the lack of that which is currently causing Microsoft so many issues in some areas where they hadn't thought of modularity. Whenever they change something in Windows right now, other parts of the OS break because it does not have the same modular designed as Linux. Did you know that Android (Linux based I might add) has changed out huge, core parts of the OS from one update to another, without things breaking left and right? In Android 5.0 Google swapped out the entire runtime environment for example.

3) What exactly do you mean when you say it needs a "platform developed as one" and what benefits do you think that brings? All the core parts are already developed and maintained as one. That's why you can do things like load a generic graphics driver into essentially any Linux based distro. Everything targeting the kernel has standards and design specifications it follows, and those are maintained and created by a single organization, just like let's say the driver model on Windows. There is no difference in how things are handled.

 

On 3/3/2019 at 5:13 PM, yian88 said:

I  am very informed about OS'es and what i said is true linux as desktop OS is not a unified platform as it should be in order to work, its mostly random components developed by random people that dont collaborate to make a unified layer on top of the kernel that can properly handle the apps and user UI,input, audio etc.

And how is this bad exactly?

 

On 3/3/2019 at 5:13 PM, yian88 said:

Which is why to this day you cant get fractional DPI scaling and per display DPI scaling or a mouse wheel scroll ammount or wheel click in a browser, or a compositor that can render windows at per display refresh rate, if you have two 144hz + 60hz monitors compositors lock at lowest refresh and stuttering heavily, windows solved this issues since 7 or probably vista too. 

No, those things are not issues because "Linux is just a bunch of random stuff put together by random people". Those things are issues because companies like Nvidia has not put as much time and resources into making those things work in their drivers. Like I said earlier, those things work on Windows because third party developers made them work on Windows. Microsoft didn't make those things work. Go ahead, uninstall all your third party drivers and see how well it works using only the vga.sys driver.

 

 

On 3/3/2019 at 5:13 PM, yian88 said:

That sounds irrelevant my point is no one is obligated to develop these features, if someone decided to implement such any feature in a component but xorg or wayland doesnt have support yet they cant collaborate and make it happen which is why linux as desktop OS is very poor and lags a decade behind MacOS,Windows, Android in terms of features and stability.

Ehm... What? Gonna need a source on xorg or wayland not supporting:

1) Fractional DPI scaling (which by the way, is possible).

2) Per display DPI (which is possible)

3) Use a scroll wheel in a browser (no idea what you're on about or why you don't think that works)

4) Different refresh rates (you can)

 

In before: "Baww that's too hard and on Windows you just click a thing and it works". Never said it was as easy to do on Windows, but you saying it can't be done on Linux is incorrect.

 

 

On 3/3/2019 at 5:13 PM, yian88 said:

That sounds irrelevant my point is no one is obligated to develop these features, if someone decided to implement such any feature in a component but xorg or wayland doesnt have support yet they cant collaborate and make it happen

Why can't someone collaborate and implement a new feature in x or wayland? What is stopping that from happening? It happens all the time.

Let's take x as an example. You can join their mailing list here if you want and talk directly to the developers. If you want to submit a patch then here is the way of doing that. There is nothing stopping someone from suggesting or developing a new feature for x if they want, and the same goes for wayland.

 

On 3/3/2019 at 5:13 PM, yian88 said:

which is why linux as desktop OS is very poor and lags a decade behind MacOS,Windows, Android in terms of features and stability. 

Gonna need a source that Linux "lags behind in terms of stability". Features I can get, but stability? Come on... That sounds like something you pulled out of thin air.

 

 

On 3/3/2019 at 5:13 PM, yian88 said:

Thats why Windows, Android, MacOS works so well, the companies behind them fully control the entire platform stack if they decide to implement a new DirectX or Metal or specific feature they can appoint entire teams to develop it at every level required. Linux will never have that, Ubuntu, Fedora, OpenSuse etc all use the same random components developed by other people, and they have no control over their development and features.

1) Microsoft, Google and Apple do not have full control over the entire platform stack. There are a lot of things which are entirely out of their hands. Outside of the examples I have already given today, just think of a simple thing like WiFi. Microsoft isn't part of the 802.11 IEEE work group, and yet Windows works with WiFi. Why? Because the IEEE creates a specification which Microsoft (or rather, the network adapter manufacturers and driver developers) has to implement. Microsoft can't go "no we don't like that part of the spec so we will do our own thing". They are stuck doing things someone else orders them to do in plenty of scenarios.

2) What you refer to as "random components" are developed by institutions, organizations, foundations, and other groups which a lot of developers are in. It's not just random dudes in a basement typing something up and patching it into a Linux distro. That's not how software development works, at all.

 

On 3/3/2019 at 5:13 PM, yian88 said:

I still hope google one day will port Android to x86 desktop and make the app store available to everyone

They already have.

There are some Android devices out there which runs on x86, including Google's own Nexus Player.

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48 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

Sure they are generic but they can range widely. Like one might be made for extreme amounts of memory bandwidth as the computer will be based around super high volumes of RAM used almost like a RAM disk. The benchmarks aren't public btw so yeah I guess you would just have to take everything I say as the truth lol

do you not see the inconsistency in your own arguments?

First you say ARM servers are taking over the market and are becoming very common, but in the next breath you say it's mostly custom designed SoC orders and therefore the benchmarks are secret and you can't show me.

Also, you are completing ignoring the benchmarks I have linked.

 

 

Sorry but if you're arguing that the clients for ARM servers are ordering custom designed chips then it is a niche market. It's not common and mainstream to order custom silicon.

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15 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

do you not see the inconsistency in your own arguments?

First you say ARM servers are taking over the market and are becoming very common, but in the next breath you say it's mostly custom designed SoC orders and therefore the benchmarks are secret and you can't show me.

Also, you are completing ignoring the benchmarks I have linked.

 

 

Sorry but if you're arguing that the clients for ARM servers are ordering custom designed chips then it is a niche market. It's not common and mainstream to order custom silicon.

Yes a majority of ARM based systems are being ordered are for private use. So government, corporate, or scientific use. There are dozens of SoC design companies popping up in silicon valley. This is happening right now so you won't necessarily hear about it in the news. Lol it sounds sketch but you'll see in a few years

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1 minute ago, LAwLz said:

Because his dad works at HP and his friend's dad works at GlobalFoundries.

Lol I am not going to dox them but here's his facebook intro

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19 minutes ago, Mira Yurizaki said:

I mean, why should I take everything you say as true if you have no evidence to show?

Because his dad works at HP, so clearly everything BuckGup says is 100% correct and true.

I mean, nobody has ever lied about anything like that on the Internet, and everyone who works at HP is 100% correct all the time.

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24 minutes ago, Mira Yurizaki said:

I mean, why should I take everything you say as true if you have no evidence to show?

Right lol. All I am saying is wait a couple years and you'll see

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6 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

Because his dad works at HP, so clearly everything BuckGup says is 100% correct and true.

I mean, nobody has ever lied about anything like that on the Internet, and everyone who works at HP is 100% correct all the time.

Lol dude slow your role. I don't know why I would make something up like this. But I''ll see what I can share. It's funny though as it's the truth yet because of the meme no matter what anyone says if use say their dad works there it is instantly not valid. You can read up on current machines here 

https://www.hpe.com/us/en/newsroom.html

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32 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

Lol I am not going to dox them but here's his facebook intro

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I am good friends with 2 congressmen, and know 3 others along with a couple senators. I have had dinner with the VP and his family while he was governor here in Indiana.   Guess how much of an inside track that gives me?   The answer would be pretty much zero.  Just because you know or are related to people who are in the know, doesn't mean you have that much additional information.  Especially when it comes to technical info.  

 

Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly; the ill deeds along with the good, and let me be judged accordingly.

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1 minute ago, BuckGup said:

Lol dude slow your role. I don't know why I would make something up like this. But I''ll see what I can share. It's funny though as it's the truth yet because of the meme no matter what anyone says if use say their dad works there it is instantly not valid. You can read up on current machines here 

https://www.hpe.com/us/en/newsroom.html

Yeah, why would someone on the Internet lie? You have no reason to lie so therefore you can be blindly trusted. And like I said earlier, nobody working at HP can ever be wrong, so all the information you potentially has is 100% accurate.

 

Not a single one of the news on the first page of the news room is about ARM processors by the way.

I even went through some of the other articles and couldn't find it there either.

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15 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

While that’s a valid concern, it’s nobodies fault but the ones who continue to use it. “If it ain’t broke don’t fix it” is only acceptable for so long. Relying on antiquated software shouldn’t be encouraged. 

 

Alsost certainly never going to happen. The iPad Pro serves that purpose in the product stack. A Surface like Mac does not fit into the Mac lineup. It’s a formfactor of compromises for the neat gimmick of being able to remove the “required” keyboard that sacrifices lapability and usability. 

 

Also remember that Apple is against touchscreen Macs altogether, so that definitely means a tablet Mac is out of the question, yet alone a ARM based one. 

"Antiquated"... to most normal people X86 won't be "antiqated" because Apple says so.  

Furthermore, much of that older software has reached a mature state where we know how it works and can rely on the results it makes.  It also allows for us to replicate older experiments which is crucial to the advancement of science. 

 

I guess we should stop using "antiquated" LaTeX for type setting and also forget how to typset the code into readable papers.  By bye 50 years of research papers.   Yeah... basically a consumer focused ARM based mac is completely useless to anyone who wants to do anything more demanding. 

 

I mean GAMING! on mac is already nearly impossible.   

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4 hours ago, yian88 said:

Well not all issues are just nvidia fault, the design of linux systems is pretty poor, for instance i have 2 GPU RX 580 and gt440 and i cant install both nvidia and amd gpu drivers, it only works with nouveau which is crappy driver slow and stutter, so i cant use 2 different GPU's at the same time, bummer i wanted to try out PCIe passtrough not a chance, windows works flawless with 2 different GPU drivers, heck i could probably use intel iGPU + AMD + Nvidia gpu's all at once

 

I'm not going ot but...

 

NVIDIA drivers do not break KMS since the last 3 years I think, so there is no reason why they shouldn't work with other drivers, as is not an issue anymore, forced nouveau blacklisting or recompiling the module as they support DKMS is not needed anymore

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