Rtx 2060 + i7 980x @4ghz = bottleneck?

[svictorcc]

Hello everyone!

I have a fairly old cpu, i7 980x overclocked to 4ghz + 6x2gb ddr3 1700mhz 7-8-7-20 2T.

Will upgrade from a gtx 780 classy to a rtx 2060, does anyone here has the knowledge to know if my cpu system will bottleneck the gpu during games, like shadow of the tomb raider and newer for example?

 

Thanks in advance

[BobVonBob]

Yes.

[pizapower]

Resolution?

[Theguywhobea]

Yeah probably in some games I would imagine, you might find it's acceptable though.

 

edit  -  you could also try pushing your CPU clocks a little higher too.

[Firewrath9]

1080p yeah, but only a tiny bit (its basically a i7-2600k), mabye try 4.1-4.2 OC? if it is bottlenecked, that will get almost 5% higher fps.

https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3412-intel-i7-2600k-revisit-2018-benchmarks-vs-9900k-ryzen-more

[svictorcc]

Thanks for the fast reply guys, i play at 1080p, this gtx 780 became weak for new games, i can play SOTTR with medium settings at 45fps, not a problem but it's been 5 years since i bought it, upgraded from a 2010 gtx 295 build with this i7 980x that is still decent, but i don't have money to upgrade the whole system for now... that's why i choose only gpu upgrade.

[Firewrath9]

3 minutes ago, svictorcc said:

Thanks for the fast reply guys, i play at 1080p, this gtx 780 became weak for new games, i can play SOTTR with medium settings at 45fps, not a problem but it's been 5 years since i bought it, upgraded from a 2010 gtx 295 build with this i7 980x that is still decent, but i don't have money to upgrade the whole system for now... that's why i choose only gpu upgrade.

yup, i agree, gpu upgrade is much better than cpu.

[Dayyoo]

I have the I7 920 and a 970, I am pretty sure the CPU is the bottleneck, same w my situation. Fortnite wont even run at a stable 70-80fps at 1600x1080 for me. I get around 90fps in R6S, medium settings. Thats why im currently looking for a cpu upgrade, 6600k or 6700k rn, because i have a brand new z170 mobo laying around for years.

[KarathKasun]

37 minutes ago, Firewrath9 said:

1080p yeah, but only a tiny bit (its basically a i7-2600k), mabye try 4.1-4.2 OC? if it is bottlenecked, that will get almost 5% higher fps.

https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3412-intel-i7-2600k-revisit-2018-benchmarks-vs-9900k-ryzen-more

2600k is significantly faster per clock and generally can hit 4.2-4.4ghz even with a terrible cooler.

 

If you are comparing to a 2600k at stock, it will bottleneck pretty hard in quite a few games.

[svictorcc]

Ok so i did run some tests:

Test 1: shadow of the tomb raider, medium settings, TAA, 980x @4ghz: 49fps

Test 2: shadow of the tomb raider, medium settings, TAA, 980x @4.4ghz: 49fps

Interesting to mention that, as you can see from the screen captures, the are ~9fps improvement from cpu game and cpu rendering columns... what does this means?

No difference, so i can assume that gtx 780 is the only bottleneck with this config, right?

And when i get the rtx 2060 the system will be the bottleneck...?

 

[KarathKasun]

1 hour ago, svictorcc said:

Ok so i did run some tests:

Test 1: shadow of the tomb raider, medium settings, TAA, 980x @4ghz: 49fps

Test 2: shadow of the tomb raider, medium settings, TAA, 980x @4.4ghz: 49fps

Interesting to mention that, as you can see from the screen captures, the are ~9fps improvement from cpu game and cpu rendering columns... what does this means?

No difference, so i can assume that gtx 780 is the only bottleneck with this config, right?

And when i get the rtx 2060 the system will be the bottleneck...?

Depending on the game, yes.  If you want to see how many FPS the CPU will push, drop your resolution and AA to lighten the GPU load.

[HoneyBadger84]

2 hours ago, svictorcc said:

Ok so i did run some tests:

Test 1: shadow of the tomb raider, medium settings, TAA, 980x @4ghz: 49fps

Test 2: shadow of the tomb raider, medium settings, TAA, 980x @4.4ghz: 49fps

Interesting to mention that, as you can see from the screen captures, the are ~9fps improvement from cpu game and cpu rendering columns... what does this means?

No difference, so i can assume that gtx 780 is the only bottleneck with this config, right?

And when i get the rtx 2060 the system will be the bottleneck...?

 

Shadow of the Tomb Raider gives absolutely 0 forks about cpu throughput for the most part. There are games that will show gigantic improvements, and some that will show very little, if you upgrade cpu/motherboard/ram. I went from an i7 3930k to an i9 9900k and in a particular game I was having very odd frame rate issues with in some areas, I went from 45-55fps to 98-100fps (gsync locked at 100hz) in the same place, with the same video card. 

 

So on titles that are more cpu dependent you may see huge increases with an upgrade, but some titles that are very gpu dependent won't show much, maybe 5-10%.

 

Edit: if you're going to go RTX 2060 now and system upgrade later, I say go for it. You'll feel like you got a new GPU too when you get the new system. 

 

[Pasi123]

It should be fine. Some people use GTX 1080 (Ti) with similar X58 LGA1366 6c/12t systems.

 

You could ask here:

 

[bimmerman]

Yep-- I'll try to remember to look up my benchmark data when I'm back home, but I have a Xeon equivalent of the 980X at 4.5GHz, with a 1080ti, and running 1440p ultrawide in SOTTR. I want to say I'm around the 70ish fps mark? I don't remember off hand.

 

I was getting 45-60fps with an R9 290, all else equal, depending on quality setting.

[Intelfreak]

Go for it, a new GPU will benefit you and your system more than you may know of. Yes I7 980X is and old dog these days, but it is not a useless CPU. I play the newest games on my own I7 980X based rig like Far Cry 5/new dawn, BF V, metro exodos and so on. I am one of those that have a GTX 1080 TI in a X58 system as Pasi123 told you about. I will also say try to get higher core clock out of your CPU (off cause only if you have sufficient cooling for it).

 

This is how my rig runs now.

 

shadow of the tomb raider benchmark. Highest preset is run here. And even at that i get twice as many FPS on AVG. than you do. Clearly showing that your GTX 780 holds you back.

 

Far CRY 5 ultra settings at 1200P.

final fantasy xv benchmark

 

A new GPU will give you a better gaming joy, even with and old CPU like this.

[Zando_]

It'll bottleneck a bit, but I run my X5670 (6c/12t 32nm X58 Xeon, they OC better than the 45nm i7s for the most part) at 4.2GHz with a 1080 Ti (1080p, fps locked to 60 since I need stable frametimes, hope to upgrade to a 1440p ultrawide at some point to give the GPU more to do), Anthem and Assassin's Creed Odyssey are the only games so far it won't push a solid 60fps on, but on those the frametimes are super steady. I'll notice drops in Odyssey since it'll go down to 35-40 in cities, but Anthem has dropped to 40-50 and I didn't even notice (until I turned on the overlay to see how my fps was), since again, stable frametimes. 

[svictorcc]

Thanks a lot for all the information @Zando Bob @Intelfreak @bimmerman i'll order the Rtx 2060 this weekend

Now i'm running this 980x in a CWC loop, 240mm rad along with  EK vrm block in a x58 sli classy, now with 1.35v + without vdroop, +125mv vtt, i was able to oc stable at 4.4ghz, temp around 78°C in Aida64 with room temp of 30°C. Saved this profile in bios just for gaming, can't wait to see the performance gains with new gpu

[Zando_]

4 minutes ago, svictorcc said:

Thanks a lot for all the information @Zando Bob @Intelfreak @bimmerman i'll order the Rtx 2060 this weekend

Now i'm running this 980x in a CWC loop, 240mm rad along with  EK vrm block in a x58 sli classy, now with 1.35v + without vdroop, +125mv vtt, i was able to oc stable at 4.4ghz, temp around 78°C with room temp of 30°C. Saved this profile in bios just for gaming, can't wait to see the performance gains with new gpu

Noice! My X5670 is on an EVGA X58 Classified 4-Way (the XL-ATX one, actually got the board itself still brand new). Had to do the Westmere-EP mod on it since it's a V1.0, but it's been fine so far. Planning to put my CPU on a 360mm rad loop with the Heatkiller IV block I got and then see how far I can push my various Xeons. The X5670 is at 4.2GHz/1.306v (IIRC) right now, with Vdroop on, doesn't break 76C on a Cryorig H5 universal. 

[Intelfreak]

11 minutes ago, svictorcc said:

Thanks a lot for all the information @Zando Bob @Intelfreak @bimmerman i'll order the Rtx 2060 this weekend

Now i'm running this 980x in a CWC loop, 240mm rad along with  EK vrm block in a x58 sli classy, now with 1.35v + without vdroop, +125mv vtt, i was able to oc stable at 4.4ghz, temp around 78°C in Aida64 with room temp of 30°C. Saved this profile in bios just for gaming, can't wait to see the performance gains with new gpu

only 1.35 volts for 4.4 GHz is very good. My own CPU is not a great oc´er. It needs 1.41 volts for 4.4 GHz. You cant win every time

Also try to get the uncore up to around 3600 MHz. That will give more stable FPS and less frame drops, if you not al ready have it up there. Also ajust memory if you not al ready have done it. That can also give you a few ekstra FPS.

 

And else yes look for to you get a new GPU.

 

This is my own machine. All air cooled, but i have worked hard on airflow cause that is very importen for good temps and there are also a few benchmark.

 

https://imgur.com/a/NLahrg9

https://imgur.com/a/uHjbbMg

https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/10037039

[BetterThanLife]

I think people blow out the bottleneck situation way too far, i think the 980X will do fine with it.

I have been looking up the IPC difference between Sandy, Nehalem & Ivy, from Ivy to Nehalem it is around 25%, from Sandy to Nehalem, around 10%.

 

But those results being from i7 CPU's.

[svictorcc]

@Intelfreak to run stable with uncore at 3.62ghz i had to downclock core to 4.33ghz, 4.4g at 3.6g maybe with a little more vcore.

I did a quick video to show the rig and system running cinebench r15.

 

[svictorcc]

3 hours ago, BetterThanLife said:

I think people blow out the bottleneck situation way too far, i think the 980X will do fine with it.

I have been looking up the IPC difference between Sandy, Nehalem & Ivy, from Ivy to Nehalem it is around 25%, from Sandy to Nehalem, around 10%.

 

But those results being from i7 CPU's.

I've been comparing some results from 980x and 7700k, the ipc difference is around 45%.

[Intelfreak]

Just out of curiusety. Have you got the RTX 2060 and how does it run?

[Mister Woof]

Just for perspective

 

1080p w/5ghz 8700k and oc Vega 64

 

Look at CPU render. Compare to yours, it's not huge. 118 vs 188 average.

 

An RTX 2060 won't do 118 or 188 at 1080p average anyway.

 

But comparing intelfreaks to mine, I think our performance is comparable despite him having a much stronger GPU than me.

 

I'd said in SOTTR, your CPU might bottleneck a GPU past GTX 1070 ti/GTX 1080 level, which the RTX 2060 is right around there. So you are probably good with the RTX 2060 in this game.

 

 

[svictorcc]

On 3/15/2019 at 2:18 PM, Intelfreak said:

Just out of curiusety. Have you got the RTX 2060 and how does it run?

Yes, and i can say that 980x does little bottleneck at 1080p (65% gpu bound), but rock solid performance in SOTTR, 87fps constant maxout settings and 2xmsaa.

I also did some tests, take a look.

 

Edit. I forgot to take a print of SOTTR running at 4k with almost same specs. At 4k it is 100% gpu bound, same settings getting 34fps.