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8 minutes ago, CarlBar said:

Honestly stuff like this, the recent video of kids thing and the whole set of issues with false copyright strikes really make the point obvious. Youtube is so big and has so much stuff on it that there's literally no way to properly police it. They get currently somthing like 300 hours of video every minute. Accounting for a bit of growth that means it would take 20,000 people working round the clock to personally check every single bit of video uploaded. Thats, (using my countries minimum wage and converting to USD), the equivalent of just under 2 billion USD a year in wages alone, never mind the workplace costs for the infrastructure.

 

It can't be done. That isn't really google's fault. the issue is both the law an ordinary people are expecting Google to do a job that they aren't really capable of doing.

This would be considering best case scenario, you got people that would pretend to work and there would be lazy ones that spam that "this follows community guidelines" that would be there. PLUS the ones that could try and make deals with a youtube to have all his videos uploaded

 

basically there would be problems with doing this and having a bot, even though imperfect, It was made by humans by the way, Is the best way to do this. We're all just here beating up the most effective way to monitor this at the moment

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1 hour ago, CarlBar said:

Honestly stuff like this, the recent video of kids thing and the whole set of issues with false copyright strikes really make the point obvious. Youtube is so big and has so much stuff on it that there's literally no way to properly police it. They get currently somthing like 300 hours of video every minute. Accounting for a bit of growth that means it would take 20,000 people working round the clock to personally check every single bit of video uploaded. Thats, (using my countries minimum wage and converting to USD), the equivalent of just under 2 billion USD a year in wages alone, never mind the workplace costs for the infrastructure.

 

It can't be done. That isn't really google's fault. the issue is both the law an ordinary people are expecting Google to do a job that they aren't really capable of doing.

just pull the YT kids app 

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Come on YouTube. Pull yourself together man! Why the hell would you show Filthy Frank on a kids app? At best his content is borderline PG-13. 

That kind of stuff can really screw kids up in the head, especially at a young age when they're so impressionable. Don't get me wrong, he's a funny guy but man the content he makes is really not kid-friendly. 

 

Basically my point is YouTube f**ked up big time. They should probably take down the app and try to find out how the hell they managed to screw up so badly.

There's a big difference between nursery rhymes and pink guy. So big in fact, that it's pretty obvious to the whole earth's population that it isn't to be shown on a kid-friendly app.

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Now YouTube has more excuses to demonitize videos! 

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YouTube kids should be curated content only. You should be able to submit your content for review for the kids platform to get considered for acceptance on a per video basis. Eventually creators should be able to apply to be a creator for that platform specifically and therefore commiting to a higher standard and a code of conduct. With that should come the ability to upload without the same scrutiny because you're a trusted partner and therefore reducing the burden on employees. If you break the rules with malicious intent YouTube should go nuclear on your ass.

 

That's the only solution I can come up with that doesn't result in hiring a small army or keeping the current mess going on right now.

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1 hour ago, 1kv said:

Why the hell would you show Filthy Frank on a kids app?

 

They didn't, they where showing a video where someone else used a piece of his content.

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3 hours ago, CarlBar said:

Honestly stuff like this, the recent video of kids thing and the whole set of issues with false copyright strikes really make the point obvious. Youtube is so big and has so much stuff on it that there's literally no way to properly police it. They get currently somthing like 300 hours of video every minute. Accounting for a bit of growth that means it would take 20,000 people working round the clock to personally check every single bit of video uploaded. Thats, (using my countries minimum wage and converting to USD), the equivalent of just under 2 billion USD a year in wages alone, never mind the workplace costs for the infrastructure.

 

It can't be done. That isn't really google's fault. the issue is both the law an ordinary people are expecting Google to do a job that they aren't really capable of doing.

If youtube is too big to manage then they need to either  A. shrink it to manage or B. find a new way to manage it.

 

claiming your business is too big to manage does not excuse anyone from selling a faulty product (in this case advertising a kid friendly app that isn't). 

Grammar and spelling is not indicative of intelligence/knowledge.  Not having the same opinion does not always mean lack of understanding.  

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2 minutes ago, mr moose said:

If youtube is too big to manage then they need to either  A. shrink it to manage or B. find a new way to manage it.

 

claiming your business is too big to manage does not excuse anyone from selling a faulty product (in this case advertising a kid friendly app that isn't). 

 

There isn't a new way to manage it. You want fully managed, you need a couple of 10's of thousands of people working round the clock just to manage the video, (the comments are probably a few thousand more at least). And no for profit organisation can do that.

 

Likewise if youtube shrinks a replacement will appear, youtube or somthing like it isn't going away unless the majority of world governments step in and make it go away. And there'd pretty much be riots if they tried.

 

At the end of the day where expecting a private company to police somthing that simply isn't possibble for a private company to police unless where willing to pay them to do it.

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1 hour ago, CarlBar said:

There isn't a new way to manage it. You want fully managed, you need a couple of 10's of thousands of people working round the clock just to manage the video, (the comments are probably a few thousand more at least). And no for profit organisation can do that.

Of course they can, Netflix or Amazon Prime Video. It's easy to manage videos on a platform IF you actually want to. Youtube was fine when it was a site for general people to upload videos to and for others to watch, now it's a commercial entity that supports business and enterprise.

 

Youtube is like the public pool and people keep taking a dump in it and they're like "I'm not cleaning that up", sorry it's literally your job to run the pool so clean it up. If you need to hire more people to do it then you need to hire more people.

 

Youtube can also put the responsibility of managing comments on videos to the channel owners with punishment of closure if not handled well enough.

 

1 hour ago, CarlBar said:

Likewise if youtube shrinks a replacement will appear, youtube or somthing like it isn't going away unless the majority of world governments step in and make it go away. And there'd pretty much be riots if they tried.

Changing business model doesn't mean Youtube will suddenly shrink and even if it does it's not going to be any significant amount. There's been tens if not hundreds of Youtube competitor startups and they all died, it's not happening even if Youtube shrinks by half which isn't happening either.

 

They have enough creators on the platform to change it from anyone can upload to only those approved, the core videos watched on Youtube are all corporate backed so losing the now insignificant in terms of view count general public videos won't matter. Someone else can pick that up if they want but like everyone else that's tried they will fail or be marred in all the issues Youtube has now with out protection of being Youtube.

 

The above is like my 30 second take on the situation, I'm sure if more time and effort was put in to it by Youtube and other stakeholders solutions could be found to many issues but there is no incentive or punitive action that would trigger it.

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youtube kids should be drafted and parents should stop acting like youtube was born to be a babysitter

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funny how silly this is, if you kid has access to play store none of this matter, they can install any app or browser they want and use retarded tik tok or go on live leak without an issue

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12 hours ago, 2Buck said:

REMEMBER KIDS, SIDEWAYS FOR ATTENTION, LONG WAYS FOR RESULTS!

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It's just what kids are into these days, it's just a phase. 

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14 hours ago, 2Buck said:

REMEMBER KIDS, SIDEWAYS FOR ATTENTION, LONG WAYS FOR RESULTS!

You might aswell engrave some names just to be an extra dick. Or just draw some pictures so your exit has at least some artistic value.

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Seems like YouTube just needs to be honest to Advertisers and Viewers. It is a user generated content platform, users will sometimes upload content that is distasteful, and that is how it is.

 

They should remove YouTube Kids, or make it entirely curated by staff.

 

Advertisers should accept that their ad might run before or after unsuitable content, or not advertise on the platform. 

 

Personally, as a reasonable human being, I recognize that advertisers buying YouTube ad space are unaware of everything their video plays after or before, and it is not an endorsement of that content; and I think advertisers would stay on the platform.

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8 hours ago, leadeater said:

Of course they can, Netflix or Amazon Prime Video. It's easy to manage videos on a platform IF you actually want to. Youtube was fine when it was a site for general people to upload videos to and for others to watch, now it's a commercial entity that supports business and enterprise.

 

Youtube is like the public pool and people keep taking a dump in it and they're like "I'm not cleaning that up", sorry it's literally your job to run the pool so clean it up. If you need to hire more people to do it then you need to hire more people.

 

Youtube can also put the responsibility of managing comments on videos to the channel owners with punishment of closure if not handled well enough.

 

Changing business model doesn't mean Youtube will suddenly shrink and even if it does it's not going to be any significant amount. There's been tens if not hundreds of Youtube competitor startups and they all died, it's not happening even if Youtube shrinks by half which isn't happening either.

 

They have enough creators on the platform to change it from anyone can upload to only those approved, the core videos watched on Youtube are all corporate backed so losing the now insignificant in terms of view count general public videos won't matter. Someone else can pick that up if they want but like everyone else that's tried they will fail or be marred in all the issues Youtube has now with out protection of being Youtube.

 

The above is like my 30 second take on the situation, I'm sure if more time and effort was put in to it by Youtube and other stakeholders solutions could be found to many issues but there is no incentive or punitive action that would trigger it.

 

Except as i pointed out if youtube does that well at that point someone else will just take over the market and you'll have the same problem again.  Telling youtube to let someone else deal with it isn't a solution, it's just shifting the problem elsewhere. And the thing is an enormous amount of youtubes popularity is tied up in all that user created content. Take that away and youtube is just going to slowly die off, (as channels slowly die off over time), and it's competitors will take over, and then where back to square one.

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1 minute ago, Kriss ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) said:

Hes been done with filthyfrank for a while anyway so i dont think any hate will reach him, hes done as much as he can to distance himself from it ever since he became an artist

I know. It's just a shame they had to tarnish the well-respected name of filthy frank. We are still mourning his loss. rip frank

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11 hours ago, CarlBar said:

 

There isn't a new way to manage it. You want fully managed, you need a couple of 10's of thousands of people working round the clock just to manage the video, (the comments are probably a few thousand more at least). And no for profit organisation can do that.

 

Likewise if youtube shrinks a replacement will appear, youtube or somthing like it isn't going away unless the majority of world governments step in and make it go away. And there'd pretty much be riots if they tried.

 

At the end of the day where expecting a private company to police somthing that simply isn't possibble for a private company to police unless where willing to pay them to do it.

If B is not viable then A is the only option.

 

You can't excuse false advertising because the company can't provide what they promise.

Grammar and spelling is not indicative of intelligence/knowledge.  Not having the same opinion does not always mean lack of understanding.  

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2 hours ago, CarlBar said:

Except as i pointed out if youtube does that well at that point someone else will just take over the market and you'll have the same problem again.  Telling youtube to let someone else deal with it isn't a solution, it's just shifting the problem elsewhere. And the thing is an enormous amount of youtubes popularity is tied up in all that user created content. Take that away and youtube is just going to slowly die off, (as channels slowly die off over time), and it's competitors will take over, and then where back to square one.

Well no because as mentioned everyone that has tried to create a similar service to Youtube has died, over and over. Youtube business model without the giant backing of Google and Goodle Ads is a non starter which is why everyone fails when trying to mimic Youtube as it's an immensely expensive service compared to other more specific video services.

 

Also new creators can still be approved, it's just removing the free for all aspect and introducing control. You'd have to apply for a creators account, tell them why you want one, submit a sample video and survive though probation period.

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1990s-2000s: Don't talk to strangers online or give out your real information

 

2010s-2020s: Put all your information on social media.

 

Just because an app says it's for kids does not mean you should rely on that app to babysit your child.

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55 minutes ago, leadeater said:

Well no because as mentioned everyone that has tried to create a similar service to Youtube has died, over and over. Youtube business model without the giant backing of Google and Goodle Ads is a non starter which is why everyone fails when trying to mimic Youtube as it's an immensely expensive service compared to other more specific video services.

 

Also new creators can still be approved, it's just removing the free for all aspect and introducing control. You'd have to apply for a creators account, tell them why you want one, submit a sample video and survive though probation period.

My understanding was that YouTube for a long time, actually loses money and Google absorbs a lot of that cost. The amount of video that they're storing is unfathomable. It's truly an impressive feat.

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15 hours ago, CarlBar said:

They didn't, they where showing a video where someone else used a piece of his content.

But still, his content was in the video. Stuff like that shouldn't be shown on a 'kid-friendly' app. 

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