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Power Outlets PISSES LINUS OFF. [Discussion]

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honestly lets get wireless power everywhere and we wont have to bother with any of this. linus did a basic presentation of it once.

if we invested more into researching that and somehow could make it possible that'd be awesome. 

or if youre really hardcore you could just cut the connectors off entirely and have 2 - 3 cables that you connect directly to an outlet box like you do with speakers on an amp. :D


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3 hours ago, floofer said:

The main problem is if they begin to introduce them in people's homes, all their existing appliances won't work,

If its just standardizing on a plug and not changing the voltage, I disagree.

As you can use a simple Adaptor.

Price of that change isn't high either...

If you do plug in replacements, that is really easy to do...

Especially if you know someone that knows someone that happen to be an Electrician.

 

A good quality Schuko inlet is normally around 5€ or so, you might need some kind of Frame as well if you have multiple outlets...

 

Here the price of a Schuko Outlet:

https://www.elektricworld24.de/schalterprogramme/busch-jaeger/busch-balance-si/steckdosen-balance-si/2363/busch-jaeger-balance-si-20euc-914-steckdose?gclid=CjwKCAiAkrTjBRAoEiwAXpf9CZPJPemq3cMI3P_n4uus0hTR0GERY2YUNyAlf0B-j_qmxS9mJLQ9DxoC3ZkQAvD_BwE

 

Was just one of the first and its Busch-Jäger, wich are pretty good. And its 2,71€/piece. So for 100 Outlets less than 300€.

But who has 100 in a house??
Normal is something like 1-2 Dozend...

 

So its really not a big deal.

 

But I disagree with the overengineered British Plug. THat one is just shit and probably rather expensive. Schuko a good Compromize. Or the French Plug if you need Polarized...

 

3 hours ago, floofer said:

they can't buy as many second-hand goods and it could be harder to sell the house on.

If we talk about a Plug Change without Voltage, no.

You will be able to get an adaptor.

 

Germany also did change the plugs a couple of times.

Back in the Day there was "Type C" common.

 

And also we had the so called "Kragenstecker", wich was forbidden.

Forbidden as in totally forbidden, must not be used. If you have that shit, you have to replace it forbidden.

 

3 hours ago, floofer said:

It's one thing to have a good idea, but you need it to sell well in many aspects.

Selling is not a Problem as the Outlets are dirt cheap.

The Plugs are not much more...

Like 2,5€, something like that.

 

So replacing 10 Outlets and Plugs is like 50€, that's pretty cheap.

ANd if you do that, there will be "conversion kits" sold for old Plugs. Nikon uses something like that on their Batter Charger...

 

And with some kind of State Sponsorship, its really not that big of a deal. Just really annoying...


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5 hours ago, mp-c said:

I think they should all be combined into one and every plug have a switch. It's most common to find switches on power outlets in UK and Australia. This is a good idea

Switches and USB ports are independent of the outlet standard. If you want them on every outlet in your house, you can have them regardless of where you live. A good plug standard doesn't need a switch though - at best it's convenience.

 

Also UK plugs are the most annoying to use. They only go in one way, they're huge and hard to adapt to competing standards - all in exchange for some very situational benefits. Compare this with German and Italian plugs:
 

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And the shared outlet for them:

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If there is any chance of having a common standard it comes from combined outlets.


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not every country has the same voltage and frequency. have fun plugginig in a 110V thing to a 240V outlet i guess


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i always have this idea, of replacing all kinds of power plugs and replace them with iec c13/14 plugs, since all kinds of electronics already uses this standard for ac power.

 

and it would makes perfect sense when the age of space travel comes, where a neutral standard plug will be needed in habitats in space or other worlds.

 

while i do like the british plug, it's too bulky, to the point it's inconvinient to carry around.

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22 hours ago, Tristerin said:

Have you calculated the amount of "energy" is used running a lightbulb in todays standard, for lets say 100 years...versus replacing just 1 receptacle.  

 

I haven't done the math, this is your idea so I challenge you to do so, to support your claims - how much energy in watts is consumed in a lightbulb running 5 years in current standard (we will say, US perhaps?) and then the amount of energy required to "create" a single receptacle.  

 

Convince me with facts that this is the way to pave forward.

 

 

Well. Let’s say a new law requires all new houses built must require a new standard, and optional to include the old standard.

 

Let’s look at a factory producing power outlets, a steady amount every year.

The new standard requires new molds, maybe new tools, and some other new things.

For the factory, this does initially cost more energy to start up.

As time passes, the new standard will see rapid production growth, as all new houses require them.

The old standard would decline slowly, until after many decades, no one uses the old standard.

 

Now, let us be clear. A change to a new standard will require more energy than just maintaing the status quo.

 

How about the long run, globally?

Would Earth with many standards as today, require more or less energy, compared to an Earth where everyone used one global standard?

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10 minutes ago, SesMoge said:

Well. Let’s say a new law requires all new houses built must require a new standard, and optional to include the old standard.

 

Let’s look at a factory producing power outlets, a steady amount every year.

The new standard requires new molds, maybe new tools, and some other new things.

For the factory, this does initially cost more energy to start up.

As time passes, the new standard will see rapid production growth, as all new houses require them.

The old standard would decline slowly, until after many decades, no one uses the old standard.

 

Now, let us be clear. A change to a new standard will require more energy than just maintaing the status quo.

 

How about the long run, globally?

Would Earth with many standards as today, require more or less energy, compared to an Earth where everyone used one global standard?

You do know (research) that Hemp manufacturing was heavily influenced by...The Newspaper industry, because their current wood pulp to paper machines were far to expensive (I.E. cripple them) to replace - therefore, the Hemp industry, which is by FAR SUPERIOR to wood pulp in terms of...well we can get into that entire other subject and no I don't mean marijuana - in terms of everything (yet we cut trees down instead...because Humans and money) was never allowed to flourish in the US - to the degradation of us all.

(the point of this paragraph is to help you understand that Laws aren't made to help "us" this standard would have to have a benefit...to only a few)

 

And it still hasn't changed.

 

So when people start saying "Lets make this a law" I want to kindly tell you to "stay in your lane" "mind your own business" and "quit trying to use the Courts to influence any portion of capitalism, because in the end it makes it far harder for anyone to start up a business when you heavily regulate the ability to do business (this used to be a Country of dreams because it wasn't retarded expensive to start up a business - I own 3 so I have reference) allowing those currently in power to stay alive in their market" but this is a far deeper conversation and not one we can fix on this forum, but have, sure.


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10 hours ago, Sauron said:

Switches and USB ports are independent of the outlet standard. If you want them on every outlet in your house, you can have them regardless of where you live. A good plug standard doesn't need a switch though - at best it's convenience.

 

Also UK plugs are the most annoying to use. They only go in one way, they're huge and hard to adapt to competing standards - all in exchange for some very situational benefits. Compare this with German and Italian plugs:

Absolutely this
and this

21 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

Pls call it by its name:
Its the GERMAN Plugs.

Aka Schuko

 

There is a simple solution if you absolutely need it keyed:
Use the French Plug.

This one:

https://www.banggood.com/16A-EU-Outlet-ABS-Copper-French-Standard-Power-Single-Plug-Wall-Socket-p-1121105.html?cur_warehouse=CN

 

The UK Plugs are shit.

Try using them. And watch Bigclive...

They are big, clunky and if you step on them, its really bad as they lie on the ground with the metal to the sky so that it really hurts.

 

The Child "Proof" stuff is bogus as there are Child Proof Schuko Outlets as well.

for example:
https://www.e-material.de/epages/17883757.mobile/de_DE/?ObjectPath=/Shops/17883757/Products/Bj20EUCKS-214

 

 

The "Europlugs" that you know and get are compatible with both Schuko and the French stuff...

 



Btw I do not understand why do some guys suggest the UK ones, they are mainly using for some reason ring electrical circuits, that need the plug to be polarized for the fuses to correctly work if I did not get it wrong. It's frustrating also you can't plug the sockets in either way
It's AC!

The most that seem reasonable to me are the european plugs, shucko, the france one, the european and the italian ones (literally the european one but with 3 poles)

Literally, the shucko has all the advantages the UK has, plus is better

I live in Italy and a compatible outlets between everything already exist as Sauron showed, won't take more than 30€ to replace all my house sockets with it (it's 20 years old)

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12 hours ago, cluelessgenius said:

honestly lets get wireless power everywhere and we wont have to bother with any of this. linus did a basic presentation of it once.

if we invested more into researching that and somehow could make it possible that'd be awesome. 

or if youre really hardcore you could just cut the connectors off entirely and have 2 - 3 cables that you connect directly to an outlet box like you do with speakers on an amp. :D

Wireless power is insanely inefficient. Even when feasible, it is never a good idea to default to on a pure waste heat perspective.


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29 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

You do know (research) that Hemp manufacturing was heavily influenced by...The Newspaper industry, because their current wood pulp to paper machines were far to expensive (I.E. cripple them) to replace - therefore, the Hemp industry, which is by FAR SUPERIOR to wood pulp in terms of...well we can get into that entire other subject and no I don't mean marijuana - in terms of everything (yet we cut trees down instead...because Humans and money) was never allowed to flourish in the US - to the degradation of us all.

(the point of this paragraph is to help you understand that Laws aren't made to help "us" this standard would have to have a benefit...to only a few)

 

And it still hasn't changed.

 

So when people start saying "Lets make this a law" I want to kindly tell you to "stay in your lane" "mind your own business" and "quit trying to use the Courts to influence any portion of capitalism, because in the end it makes it far harder for anyone to start up a business when you heavily regulate the ability to do business (this used to be a Country of dreams because it wasn't retarded expensive to start up a business - I own 3 so I have reference) allowing those currently in power to stay alive in their market" but this is a far deeper conversation and not one we can fix on this forum, but have, sure.

Ok, let us stay away from laws. How about this. Let’s say everyone in the world somehow has agreed to adopt a new standard. All new houses are built with the new standard, and people can include the old standard if they want to.

 

(same text from this point)

Let’s look at a factory producing power outlets, a steady amount every year.

The new standard requires new molds, maybe new tools, and some other new things.

For the factory, this does initially cost more energy to start up.

As time passes, the new standard will see rapid production growth, as all new houses require them.

The old standard would decline slowly, until after many decades, no one uses the old standard.

 

Now, let us be clear. A change to a new standard will require more energy than just maintaing the status quo.

 

How about the long run, globally?

Would Earth with many standards as today, require more or less energy, compared to an Earth where everyone used one global standard?

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23 hours ago, dalekphalm said:

There's at least some reason why outlets are different.

 

Example: North America uses the NEMA 5-15R Receptacle, which uses 120V (+/- 5V) at 15A. If you plugged a 220V item into it, it wouldn't work. If you plugged a 120V item into a 220V circuit, you'd probably blow the 120V item up.

 

Plus you've got to get every country to agree on the standard. You've also got to differentiate between different voltages and amps.

 

Examples (All North American plugs):

NEMA 5-15P (125V 15A max)

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NEMA 5-20P (125V 20A max)

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Note how it's backwards compatible with a 5-15P plug, but a 5-20P plug cannot fit into a 5-15R receptacle.

 

NEMA 5-30P (125V 30A max)

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And then you've got the higher voltage plugs, which are a different set entirely.

 

Even in a single country, there are at least a half dozen different plug standards used, due to different usages and requirements.

 

Excuse me, one voltage and one plug standard, (for homes, Industrial use obviously varies).

 

21 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

Pls call it by its name:
Its the GERMAN Plugs.

Aka Schuko

 

There is a simple solution if you absolutely need it keyed:
Use the French Plug.

This one:

https://www.banggood.com/16A-EU-Outlet-ABS-Copper-French-Standard-Power-Single-Plug-Wall-Socket-p-1121105.html?cur_warehouse=CN

 

The UK Plugs are shit.

Try using them. And watch Bigclive...

They are big, clunky and if you step on them, its really bad as they lie on the ground with the metal to the sky so that it really hurts.

 

The Child "Proof" stuff is bogus as there are Child Proof Schuko Outlets as well.

for example:
https://www.e-material.de/epages/17883757.mobile/de_DE/?ObjectPath=/Shops/17883757/Products/Bj20EUCKS-214

 

 

The "Europlugs" that you know and get are compatible with both Schuko and the French stuff...

 

 

11 hours ago, Sauron said:

Switches and USB ports are independent of the outlet standard. If you want them on every outlet in your house, you can have them regardless of where you live. A good plug standard doesn't need a switch though - at best it's convenience.

 

Also UK plugs are the most annoying to use. They only go in one way, they're huge and hard to adapt to competing standards - all in exchange for some very situational benefits. Compare this with German and Italian plugs:
 

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And the shared outlet for them:

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If there is any chance of having a common standard it comes from combined outlets.

 

Really don't get the complaint at Uk plugs? Generally i get why other countries may use different voltages. But anytime i see a plug without a ground or a fuse, (or circuit breaker, ground fault detector, or similar purpose item), i want to strangle whatever idiot designed that standard. Then again Darwin.

 

Also you can drop furniture on UK plus whilst moving it and not even interrupt whatever was running on it usually, (it's been done by people i know a fair few times, but some older plugs are prone to having the housing shatter if you hit them too hard like that)..

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Globally the market will speak for itself, either people will buy/use (reasons being will always be money savings or time savings - the two rarest resources) this technology or not, and it will effect factories who choose to adopt early in either direction - I personally would buy anything that would have an ROI on my investment within 1 year (for sure) or 2 years.  3 years may not be cost effective because the extrapolation of technology may mean...the next big thing is on the horizon.  

 

So as for people adopting the new standard only regulations can force that - so we are back to laws.  I love Capitalism in the sense that the market is controlled by our wallets.  Its influenced by advertisement, word of mouth blah blah etc.  

 

So IF an adoption was pursued and there was a feasible reason to change, it would have to be from the benefits it brings the consumers - if only the rich can afford, this is a niche market.  If everyone can eventually afford (like most tech) and benefit from it - its the next FM radio.  Great for a while for sure!  This would greatly benefit early adopters and anyone who could reasonably buy into making this standard.  I love the Market so heck yeah!  If it fails it will be because it doesn't deliver the promised results from switching over.

 

Globally?  Does this save money or time?  If not most people wont care.  If it does - its the next biggest thing.  

 

As for Earths many standards versus a global - the only benefit to earth is if it is an adoption that requires the use of 100% recycled materials.  To us inhabitants - as long as it kills our planet at less of a rate than we are currently - Im good with it.

 

 

(I also have not yet read whether this is providing a benefit...is it?)


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Just let the people use the plugs they have already. It'll take billions to update every household and facility to another standard in NA.

 

My homeroom alone has apprx. 20 plug sets. How much will replacing that take?


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Upgrading from 110v to 230v would bring other benefits...

potentially cheaper power transformers outside your house (the things on the street that convert 10+ kV to lower voltages),

less voltage drop / smaller variations (during heat waves when everyone turns AC on for example),

higher efficiencies in power supplies in anything that uses switching power supplies, 

faster charging for electric cars at home without having to hire electricians to convert 110v to higher voltage etc

and I'm sure there's other things.

 

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Just now, mariushm said:

Upgrading from 110v to 230v would bring other benefits...

potentially cheaper power transformers outside your house (the things on the street that convert 10+ kV to lower voltages),

less voltage drop / smaller variations (during heat waves when everyone turns AC on for example),

higher efficiencies in power supplies in anything that uses switching power supplies, 

faster charging for electric cars at home without having to hire electricians to convert 110v to higher voltage etc

and I'm sure there's other things.

 

And I'm assuming the EU will pay for our new appliances, since most of my stuff is rated for 115V only?


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2 minutes ago, LienusLateTips said:

And I'm assuming the EU will pay for our new appliances, since most of my stuff is rated for 115V only?

No, most of your appliances already support high voltages (TVs, computers, wii, xbox, etc), your phone charger probably is universal voltage.

Your microwave oven may be 110v only, or your bread toaster, maybe your washing machine is 110v only (though you may have 220/230v models in US).

 

For these appliances, you could either replace them with 230v ones when they break down or you could use power transformers / converters that convert 230v to 110v. AC to AC transformers can be cheap.

 

Think back at what happened when you guys moved from analogue TV to digital OTA transmissions and the government subsidized those decoder boxes to retrofit old TVs - if they could give those boxes for free or for a few dollars they could sell you a converter for 5-10$.

 

I said in a few posts above, my thoughts are that you could make a law that any new houses will have cable in the wall  and outlets installed with 230v along the classic outlets with 110v, at the minimum in locations where it makes sense (kitchen, near bathroom, garage) and your house electrical panel will have both 230v and 110v.

Optionally, offer a subsidy or something (a few hundred dollars subsidy for example) if you pull power cables in every room and install 230v outlets besides the 110v ones in every room. Years from now,  at some point in the future, when every device uses 230v, you could simply remove the 110v outlets and replace them with 230v outlets in every room.

 

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The UK Plug is superior to all others. And I shall ruddy well fight whomever challenges that!

 

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Oh, I like plugs. We should actually change them around the world to be the same kind... it would for one make travel Easier.

 

So true, just think about the possibility, if we switched all power plugs to an easy version.

 

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1 hour ago, CarlBar said:

Really don't get the complaint at Uk plugs?

Because the outlets are overly complicated, bulky and probably also expensive.


And probably because you haven't interacted with other Plugs much?

The Schuko Plug is simpler just as safe and rated for more Amps...

 

1 hour ago, CarlBar said:

Generally i get why other countries may use different voltages. But anytime i see a plug without a ground or a fuse, (or circuit breaker, ground fault detector, or similar purpose item), i want to strangle whatever idiot designed that standard. Then again Darwin.

Why would you have a Fuse in the Plug?!

Or rather how many Fuses do you have?!
Like 3?! One in the Breakerbox, one in the Plug, one in the Device?? Why? That's just bullshit.


Your Breaker should be a value that doesn't endanger the whole circuit. Meanning if your Plug allows up to 13A, you use a 13A Breaker.

 

1 hour ago, CarlBar said:

Also you can drop furniture on UK plus whilst moving it and not even interrupt whatever was running on it usually, (it's been done by people i know a fair few times, but some older plugs are prone to having the housing shatter if you hit them too hard like that)..

And you can pull on a lead of an electric device if on the other End is a Schuko to remove the Plug from the Outlet, if you pull hard enough. That is also a SAFETY Feature.

Especially if you have some bad experiences with some electric devices and the pulling of the Plug out of the outlet saved you...


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5 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

Because the outlets are overly complicated, bulky and probably also expensive.


And probably because you haven't interacted with other Plugs much?

The Schuko Plug is simpler just as safe and rated for more Amps...

 

Nope, nope, and nope. They're compact, simple and i wouldn't rate them as expense. Then again i can't remember the last time we had to replace one. And a quick search shows them to about the same price, (there's so0 much variance 'd have to spreadsheet to get an exact average for EU vs UK sockets).

 

9 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

Why would you have a Fuse in the Plug?!

Or rather how many Fuses do you have?!
Like 3?! One in the Breakerbox, one in the Plug, one in the Device?? Why? That's just bullshit.


Your Breaker should be a value that doesn't endanger the whole circuit. Meanning if your Plug allows up to 13A, you use a 13A Breaker.

 

Most devices don't have internal fuses and the main fuse is usless for various fire situations. It will trip on a flat short. But anything less than that could overload te device internals without overloading the main fuse. The standard mains fuse in the UK is 32 amps.

 

13 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

And you can pull on a lead of an electric device if on the other End is a Schuko to remove the Plug from the Outlet, if you pull hard enough. That is also a SAFETY Feature.

Especially if you have some bad experiences with some electric devices and the pulling of the Plug out of the outlet saved you...

 

Why would you pull on the wire, thats immense amounts of stupid. It's literally one of the first things your taught never to do in electrical safety because of the danger of the wire catching on somthing . Either turn the device off at the device or at the wall. If you ever need to remove the plug to power something down in an emergency somthing has gone seriously wrong and you've got much bigger problems than "can i pull the plug out of the wall" as that means you've suffered simultaneous failures in a device, it's fuse, the wall socket and the potentially the mains supply to the socket.

 

If that much has gone wrong your allready 50 different kinds of screwed because you or someone else was grossly negligent in the maintenance and usage of the electricity supply and/or equipment.

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32 minutes ago, CarlBar said:

Nope, nope, and nope. They're compact, simple and i wouldn't rate them as expense. Then again i can't remember the last time we had to replace one. And a quick search shows them to about the same price, (there's so0 much variance 'd have to spreadsheet to get an exact average for EU vs UK sockets).

You don't have any Experience with Schuko, do you??

I have seen all three major Plugs: Schuko, british Plug and the American Plug.

 

Calling the British Plug "compact". RLY?! its larger by a big amount and depending on the Plug I'm comparing it to, its up to 50% larger, your british one. If you want to call a Plug Compact, than do that with the Italian and Swiss one. THAT is really compact!

Even more compact than the US thing...

 

And simple, with a Fuse Holder? That complicates the design immensely!

 


As for Price: The Busch-Jäger one that I've linked to is one of the better ones, its a "Premium" brand. And beloved by Electricians because its rather high quality. And for the Consumer its actually cheaper to use better products that can be installed quicker than to use the cheaper ones.

 

But since you wanted it, here one of the Cheaper outlets:

 

https://shop.baumarkt-goellnitz.de/index.php?cl=details&anid=1d24ef4c538097573143d6fbb6e8688f&gclid=CjwKCAiAkrTjBRAoEiwAXpf9CY_h9HQp2Ky_T1QmqOhdman_wah_pTsPBJ1fsQtg0Ua3FDAxnWgpXhoC1e8QAvD_BwE

 

Here a Plug:
https://shop.baumarkt-goellnitz.de/Bauen-Renovieren/Elektrobedarf/Elektroinstallation/Stecker-Kupplungen/Kopp-Kunststoff-Schutzkontakt-Stecker-IP-20.html?listtype=search&searchparam=Schuko Stecker

42 Cents...

 

And that stuff is designed to be modular.

You are only limited by the frames for the Outlet/switch - wich usualy is 5.

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Most devices don't have internal fuses and the main fuse is usless for various fire situations. It will trip on a flat short. But anything less than that could overload te device internals without overloading the main fuse. The standard mains fuse in the UK is 32 amps.

And here we have the Problem:
Nobody (=privat users) uses 32A Fuses in Germany, except for flowheaters (wich then again use 4x6mm²) - and maby a additional Breaker Box somewhere else in the House (wich is why I have 6x32A Breakers). There might be one or two other things that could use that but in general we do not use more than 16A.

So the Breakers actually break when you overload stuff and you do not need a fuse in the Plug because your circuit is already protected by the Breaker.

 

And (almost) everything has some form of fusing, either thermal, resettable or whatever (like fused traces on a PCB).

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Why would you pull on the wire, thats immense amounts of stupid.

Yeah, its more stupid if you don't do it and the person actually dies.

In a dangerous situation, its best to do something than not do something...

 

Never said that you should do it but you could with most power tools.


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40 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

You don't have any Experience with Schuko, do you??

I have seen all three major Plugs: Schuko, british Plug and the American Plug.

 

Calling the British Plug "compact". RLY?! its larger by a big amount and depending on the Plug I'm comparing it to, its up to 50% larger, your british one. If you want to call a Plug Compact, than do that with the Italian and Swiss one. THAT is really compact!

Even more compact than the US thing...

 

And simple, with a Fuse Holder? That complicates the design immensely!

 


As for Price: The Busch-Jäger one that I've linked to is one of the better ones, its a "Premium" brand. And beloved by Electricians because its rather high quality. And for the Consumer its actually cheaper to use better products that can be installed quicker than to use the cheaper ones.

 

But since you wanted it, here one of the Cheaper outlets:

 

https://shop.baumarkt-goellnitz.de/index.php?cl=details&anid=1d24ef4c538097573143d6fbb6e8688f&gclid=CjwKCAiAkrTjBRAoEiwAXpf9CY_h9HQp2Ky_T1QmqOhdman_wah_pTsPBJ1fsQtg0Ua3FDAxnWgpXhoC1e8QAvD_BwE

 

Here a Plug:
https://shop.baumarkt-goellnitz.de/Bauen-Renovieren/Elektrobedarf/Elektroinstallation/Stecker-Kupplungen/Kopp-Kunststoff-Schutzkontakt-Stecker-IP-20.html?listtype=search&searchparam=Schuko Stecker

42 Cents...

 

And that stuff is designed to be modular.

You are only limited by the frames for the Outlet/switch - wich usualy is 5.

And here we have the Problem:
Nobody (=privat users) uses 32A Fuses in Germany, except for flowheaters (wich then again use 4x6mm²) - and maby a additional Breaker Box somewhere else in the House (wich is why I have 6x32A Breakers). There might be one or two other things that could use that but in general we do not use more than 16A.

So the Breakers actually break when you overload stuff and you do not need a fuse in the Plug because your circuit is already protected by the Breaker.

 

And (almost) everything has some form of fusing, either thermal, resettable or whatever (like fused traces on a PCB).

Yeah, its more stupid if you don't do it and the person actually dies.

In a dangerous situation, its best to do something than not do something...

 

Never said that you should do it but you could with most power tools.

 

 

I've seen those so called compact ones. Their deathtraps. First some at least, (though i'm aware this has largely changed), are ungrounded. You get a fault it's probably going to electrocute you. There's also zero overcurrent protection because they're unfused.You get a lesser fault and you have a very high risk of fire, main breakers won't catch that.

 

Also:

 

A double Uk socket, (common to have several of these in a house):

 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Invero®-Double-Electric-Socket-Switched/dp/B00W9XKT3E/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1550723464&sr=8-8&keywords=uk%2Bwall%2Bsocket&th=1

 

1 of yours, same model too.

 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Kopp-949013004-SCHUKO-socket-16-A-250-V/dp/B00BEF127K/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1550723424&sr=8-1-fkmr0&keywords=Kopp+Danube+Schuko+wall+socket

 

Guess which is cheaper on a per socket basis, (i'm assuming from your comments double socket outlets aren't common where you are).

 

 

Also we have 32A because we like to be able to plug in more than one thing at once, whilst a TV plus a couple of other things wouldn't be a problem,, it certainly wouldn't be hard to overload a 16A breaker, i probably have enough stuff running in my bedroom right now to blow the upstairs circuit on a 16 A beaker. If not i'm pretty close and i'm pretty sure the stuff in the other bedroom would add upto more than 16A.

 

Lastly, again if someone's being electrocuted by a power tool and A) the earthing hasn't prevented it, B) the plug fuse hasn't blown, (you've got a flat short), C) the main breaker hasn't gone, (see point B), D) the power switch at the end of the socket or extension, (the later is not standard on indoor extensions but it's becoming increasingly so), has failed, you've got a littinay of faults and issues so long that the inability to pull the plug out via the cable is the least of your issues. Your probably so crappy at safety awareness that you won't even realise they're being electrocuted.

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For those who don't understand the importance of polarity on an AC plug, the Power only flows from one side, then becomes a drain on that same side, if you put a switch on the the neutral side there will still be full house voltage at the appliance, which is very dangerous if you don't have a proper RCD.   


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4 minutes ago, mr moose said:

For those who don't understand the importance of polarity on an AC plug, the Power only flows from one side, then becomes a drain on that same side, if you put a switch on the the neutral side there will still be full house voltage at the appliance, which is very dangerous if you don't have a proper RCD.   

...wich is why you should switch both and that is what for example those things do:

https://www.bueromarkt-ag.de/steckdosenleiste_brennenstuhl_premium_protect_3m,p-1391000604,l-google-prd,pd-b2c.html?gclid=CjwKCAiAkrTjBRAoEiwAXpf9CbwKO8RsYFkyY5X8uWW0BjQfQ3lisox_hU78BQ-DC4eiTlXSenusJBoCxxIQAvD_BwE

 

Or other units with a switch should do as well...

Just use a 2 pin switch!

 

Also the RCD might not really save you anyway.


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