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Posted · Original PosterOP

This is my psu, its 650w. Can I run RX580 with R5 1600 on it?

 

If not, what PSU would you recommend me? If I have to upgrade, I would like to go at least semi modular. :)

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Throw away that PSU and get EVGA 550W GQ or G2.


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I would not recommend using that power supply. Look here and pick a PSU in tier C or higher with 450W to 500W.


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29 minutes ago, vladafkv said:

This is my psu, its 650w. Can I run RX580 with R5 1600 on it?

 

If not, what PSU would you recommend me? If I have to upgrade, I would like to go at least semi modular. :)

Yes it can easily handle Rx580 and ryzen 1600

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39 minutes ago, That_PC_Kid said:

More than enough power.

25 minutes ago, Jitendra said:

Yes it can easily handle Rx580 and ryzen 1600

I want to believe these comments are just jokes and you both forgot to add the /s at the end.

 

Watts aren't everything on a power supply, you could buy a crap "1000" watts power supply that only outputs 300 because of efficiency, not to mention amps, 19A, a 360W 12V line and a 580 is simply a bad combination, 5 mins under load with that graphics card and that thing would make a nice fireworks show.

 

Please read some articles before saying stuff like that, someone might believe it and kill their components.


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That is not a true 650W.

Even an old Antec 430W I had could provide 384W through the +12v rails.

This LC "650W" PSU is a true 400W at best.

 

I would NOT use that PSU with a R5-1600 and RX-580 NITRO+.

 

I don't think the power supply even has the PCI-E 8-pin + 6-pin cables the RX-580 NITRO+ requires.

 

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The SuperFlow Leadex Gold 550W is a very good unit; no complaints.

What are some of your other options?


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8 hours ago, vladafkv said:

This is my psu, its 650w. Can I run RX580 with R5 1600 on it

No, for gods sake, NO; don't do that!

 

8 hours ago, That_PC_Kid said:

More than enough power.

Its not about the puwer but quality of the PSU.

And this one is just shit.

 

8 hours ago, PopsicleHustler said:

Throw away that PSU and get EVGA 550W GQ or G2.

While I agree with the first part, the second is shit as they are both not particularly good PSU. There are better available for the Price.

 

8 hours ago, Jitendra said:

Yes it can easily handle Rx580 and ryzen 1600

No, it can not.

If you don't know the PSU, pls refrain from pushing people into knifes. 
Because at worst, he loses everything. Especially the earlier LC-Power are known for killing the Rest of the system, when they die.

 

7 hours ago, vladafkv said:

I guess I will go with SUPER-FLOWER Leadex Gold 550W

Since you have an LC-Power, you're probably in Europe.


And there you have things like Bitfenix Formula, Whisper M, be quiet Straight Power 11.

If you want it cheap, Xilence Performance X. And some others...


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10 hours ago, vladafkv said:

This is my psu, its 650w. Can I run RX580 with R5 1600 on it?

 

If not, what PSU would you recommend me? If I have to upgrade, I would like to go at least semi modular. :)

As some people already said, a power supply is not all about Watts. Efficiency is what it matters the most, as well as the +12V rail in this specific question about a GPU. The PSU you have only has 19A on its +12V rail which is too low for a 650W PSU. GPUs take voltage from that rail. RX580 requires at least 19A so its not a good idea to keep that PSU and you should also consider that CPU takes voltage almost exclusively from 12V rail too. In other words I wouldn't even hope that your system could work well with that PSU.

 

10 hours ago, PopsicleHustler said:

Throw away that PSU and get EVGA 550W GQ or G2.

EVGA 550W GQ is a good choice.

If a full wired PSU is not a problem for you, I would highly recommend XFX 550W TS as it is a good and cheap VFM choice.


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9 minutes ago, Thunder197 said:

As some people already said, a power supply is not all about Watts. Efficiency is what it matters the most, as well as the +12V rail in this specific question about a GPU.

Efficiency doesn't really matter that much.

 

14 minutes ago, Thunder197 said:

If a full wired PSU is not a problem for you, I would highly recommend XFX 550W TS as it is a good and cheap VFM choice.

Which one? There are gold and bronze versions. Bronze is based on S12II, so it is not that good


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11 minutes ago, Thunder197 said:

Efficiency is what it matters the most,

No, not really.

Efficiency only matters as it describes the loss.

Besides that, there isn't much reason to go for higher than gold.

 

And there are shitty PSU in every efficiency class, mostly the lower ones and the highest ones...

There are some pretty bad 80plus Titanium as there are some pretty bad Gold units as well.

Efficiency has nothing to do with quality, as there were some really awesome 80plus Bronze units (like Antec Signature).

 

11 minutes ago, Thunder197 said:

EVGA 550W GQ is a good choice.

no, its a shittier version of be quiet's Straight Power 10, wich was introduced in 2014 and is OKish, but not that special. Its far from good...

Especially since it doesn't come with Multi Rail - like the Straight Power did, has a worse fan and higher fan RPM. 


So in short: You can get better stuff for the money!

 

11 minutes ago, Thunder197 said:

If a full wired PSU is not a problem for you, I would highly recommend XFX 550W TS as it is a good and cheap VFM choice.

Oh god, the XFX TS is shit, especially the Bronze´, wich is based on the awful S12II Plattform, wich is group regulated and doesn't have good protection (up to 620W or so).

But even the Gold one shouldn't be gotten as its based on the ancient Seasonic S12G Series, wich is rather ancient and also pretty loud at medium to high loads (=around 300W load or so)


I rather get a Bitfenix Formula, that stays quieter than that...


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5 hours ago, -rascal- said:

I don't think the power supply even has the PCI-E 8-pin + 6-pin cables the RX-580 NITRO+ requires.

The 6pin connector on the RX580 Nitro+ is optional.
 

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16 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

No, not really.

Efficiency only matters as it describes the loss. 

Efficiency is about loss. But it is important for keeping voltage at a stable level even at high loads.

 

18 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

Oh god, the XFX TS is shit, especially the Bronze´, wich is based on the awful S12II Plattform, wich is group regulated and doesn't have good protection (up to 620W or so). 

But even the Gold one shouldn't be gotten as its based on the ancient Seasonic S12G Series, wich is rather ancient and also pretty loud at medium to high loads (=around 300W load or so) 

Let me strongly disagree with that. I have personal experience with XFX 550W Bronze and it has good protection and it is fairly quite even at 75% load. Also the Gold one is good and stable as I heard from a friend's experience.


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Just now, Thunder197 said:

Efficiency is about loss. But it is important for keeping voltage at a stable level even at high loads.

No, no. Just no.

Absolutely NOT!
Efficiency and voltage Regulation are two completely different things.

As mentioned above, you can do awesome Bronze units as you can do awful Titanium. Efficiency has nothing to do with that!


WHere did you get that shit?!

 

Just now, Thunder197 said:

Let me strongly disagree with that.

That doesn't change the fact that you're wrong and there are better units for the same money available.

And that that unit is old and I doubt it will work well with more modern Compoents.

But if nothing goes wrong, I will test it in about 2 Weeks as I still have two S12G Based units here.

 

Just now, Thunder197 said:

I have personal experience with XFX 550W Bronze and it has good protection and it is fairly quite even at 75% load. Also the Gold one is good and stable as I heard from a friend's experience.

Yes and I have experience with Antec True Power Classic and the Original G550.

Both are not that great. 

 

But Personal experience is irrelevant as you can have positive personal experience with the worst shit on the market. That tells you nothng.

 

Just look up reviews and see how the voltage regulation and Ripple is of that unit. It really is not good.

And I doubt it will work well with VEGA...


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25 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

No, no. Just no.

Absolutely NOT!
Efficiency and voltage Regulation are two completely different things.

As mentioned above, you can do awesome Bronze units as you can do awful Titanium. Efficiency has nothing to do with that!


WHere did you get that shit?! 

With some basic knowledge on electronics field and how circuits work you can easily find out the relevance between those things. Also by insisting so much that everything else is just shit and asking people "WHere did you get that shit?!" doesn't mean you are right especially when you don't know what knowledge and experience the person you are arguing with has in that field. I agree that it is old, but it is still better than many of "new" PSUs out there. Of course there are may options out there and perhaps better VFM but I can't talk about something that I have not personally tested or seen in action. Anyone can disagree, but that doesn't mean I am wrong and they are right.

32 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

And that that unit is old and I doubt it will work well with more modern Compoents. 

I have tested with some modern components and it did a great job. So you doubt because you haven't tried. And that is ok.


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25 minutes ago, Thunder197 said:

With some basic knowledge on electronics field and how circuits work you can easily find out the relevance between those things.

That's a bold Statement. If you could prove it, you'd have told us why that is...

 

As higher efficiency only means lower losses. Doesn't mean better voltage regulation, better ripple suppression, better reliability. It means nothing except for less power converted to less desirable forms of energy. Efficiency and Voltage Regulation or Quality have no correlation!

 

Are you seriously claiming that this PSU:
https://www.hardwaresecrets.com/antec-signature-650-power-supply-review/2/

 

Because of efficiency is worse than that one:

https://www.hardwareinsights.com/antec-earthwatts-platinum-550-w-the-cheapest-platinum-unit/4/

 

The latter one has higher efficiency but is group regulated and made to be cheaply.

The former one is made to be awesome (and based on a server/workstation design).

 

Sorry, but the claim that Efficiency is important, is total nonsense.

 

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Also by insisting so much that everything else is just shit and asking people "WHere did you get that shit?!" doesn't mean you are right

No, but you not explaining why I'm wrong does.

If you knew what you claim you did, you'd told me where I was wrong.

But you didn't do that. 


Your claim that Efficiency is important is just not true. It just means that there are higher losses, meaning we need bigger heatsinks and eventually higher airflow.

Everything else is not dependant on the Efficiency. It is dependant on the design and what is wanted.


The only correct claim would be that there are no good quality 80plus Bronze PSU these days.

But that is not because there is a correlation between efficiency and quality.

It is because 80plus Gold has gotten so cheap that its impossible to make a good quality Bronze unit as they are more expensive than entry/mid range 80plus Gold units.

And people probably wouldn't buy a 550W Bronze unit for 70-100€ when they can get an 80plus gold unit for that money.

 

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especially when you don't know what knowledge and experience the person you are arguing with has in that field.

If you'd know what you'd claim, you wouldn't have said that Efficiency is important, when its not. And you'd told me where I was wrong. You did not.

 

And even Electronics Engineer like Dave Jones don't necessarily know much about Power Electronics or Power Supplys...

In one of his last Videos he didn't know what/who Teapo was, has gotten a rather crappy IIRC Thermaltake PSU for his new PC and calls 80% efficiency "reasonably high efficiency".


By todays standards thats a shitty efficiency and reasonably high is at least 85%...

 

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I agree that it is old, but it is still better than many of "new" PSUs out there.

Any proof of that?
YOu know that the Transients increased by a couple of orders of magnitudes. And that I expect the Seasonic S12G Versions I have to switch off.

 

And that's not desirable.

 

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Of course there are may options out there and perhaps better VFM but I can't talk about something that I have not personally tested or seen in action.

Look at Corsair TXM and Bitfenix Formula. Both are better and especially the Bitfenix less loud.

 

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Anyone can disagree, but that doesn't mean I am wrong and they are right.

Yes it does, as your claim about Efficiency is not correct...

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I have tested with some modern components and it did a great job. So you doubt because you haven't tried. And that is ok.

Seasonic already has Problems with their more modern Designs with modern components and released a press release for that.


Why do you think older models from like 6,5 Years ago would fare better than more modern designs??

 

As said, I'm planning on getting a VEGA 64 Card and will test the Antec Truepower Classic with that (wich is the same as yours as Seasonic does NOT allow many changes to their designs. Either you take it or you don't).


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34 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

No, it doesn't.

As higher efficiency only means lower losses. Doesn't mean better voltage regulation, better ripple suppression, better reliability. It means nothing at that are completely different things. 

I will not argue more with you because that sentence gives a clue that you don't have a clear view on how things work. I will just give the following definitions in simple words.

 

Efficiency: The transformer efficiency is defined as the ratio of output power (primary voltage) to input power (from socket). Efficiency is varying based on load.

 

Voltage Regulation: The voltage regulation of transformer is defined as the change in secondary terminal voltage (V2) from no-load to full load at constant primary voltage and temperature.

 

So by combining those two definitions you can see how things work.


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59 minutes ago, Thunder197 said:

So by combining those two definitions you can see how things work.

No, because it seems that you're talking about a dumb Linear Transformer.

Meaning AC goes in, AC goes out. And its nothing more than a big piece of metal with some wire wrapped around it. 

The only silicon device might be a diode or a FULLBRIDGE-RECTIFIER..

That also means that YOU were talking about an unregulated transformer!

That is however not how PSU work as they are very material intensive and bulky.

Needless to say that nobody does that anymore, besides specialized, very expensive Equipment. And even there they move more and more away from old Linear Transformers.

 

What you're missing is that ATX PSU are so called switch mode power supply. 

And to make it worse (for your agument); a regulated switch mode power supply.

They work by switching the input frequency. Because of that, the transformator can be way smaller and is just a part in the PSU but not the most important part, because you ignore the boost converter before the Transformer, the rectification behind it, the switching between Boost Converter and Transformer.

 

Because technology improved, efficiency rose and the "shitty" PSU are up to 88% efficient (in 230VAC). We call that bad these days!

The top ones are in the mid 90s.(Gold/Platinum PSU up to 94% or so)

 

 

Because we're talking about a regulated PSU, the difference between low load (0,1-1A) and 100% can be pretty small and top PSU are sub 1% Load Regulation and the not so good ones under 3% or around 3%....

Needless to say that the filter is also its own thing, meaning that it depends on the whole unit and, as said, has NOTHING to do with Efficiency levels.

We have lower efficiency units like the ANtec Signature from 10 Years ago, that have rather low Ripple& Noise, we have rather high, borderline spec, Ripple in 80plus Titanium PSU.

 

So the buttom line is:
IF you know your stuff, you explain it. 

Simple as that.


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Posted · Original PosterOP

I used to run 1050ti and r5 1600 on this lc power psu btw.
Based on the replies above, I will stay away from: EVGA 550W GQ and XFX TS.
and the ones I should look for: Bitfenix Formula and Corsair TXM.

 

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Here, I went through the tier A and S and checked the prices for everything I can buy new or used.

Brand new: https://pastebin.com/raw/YPYfUEtn

Used: https://pastebin.com/raw/7pLr0zqZ

 

Theres a lot of used corsair power supplies, mostly from mining rigs. Prices seem pretty good. Please tell me your recommendations.

Im looking for a quiet psu, preferably at least semi modular.

 

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Yes im in Europe. Prices of the PSUs you listed are:
Bitfenix Formula - in the list above
Whisper M - in the list above
be quiet! Straight Power 11 - in the list above
Xilence Performance X - 550W 75usd, 750W 100usd, 850W 110usd, 1050W 180usd

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17 hours ago, That_PC_Kid said:

More than enough power.

 

17 hours ago, Jitendra said:

Yes it can easily handle Rx580 and ryzen 1600

You guys need to stop giving advice if you don't know what you're talking about.  Are you just trying to get your post count up?

 

 

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53 minutes ago, vladafkv said:

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Does Amazon ship to your country? It seems like your local prices are bit inflated. What I would suggest:
https://www.amazon.de/quiet-STRAIGHT-Netzteil-Kabelmanagement-BN281/dp/B078X22YHM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1550423992&amp;sr=8-1&amp;keywords=straight+power+11+550w


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2 minutes ago, Quadriplegic said:

Hell no. Im from Serbia and import taxes are 32%. The prices I posted are from Hungarian store because its cheaper than here and I can also apply for tax return on border. I will check how much money I get back for that psu which is 120usd in Hungary.

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2 minutes ago, vladafkv said:

Hell no. Im from Serbia and import taxes are 32%. The prices I posted are from Hungarian store because its cheaper than here and I can also apply for tax return on border. I will check how much money I get back for that psu which is 120usd in Hungary.

Isn't Serbia part of EU?


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3 minutes ago, Quadriplegic said:

Isn't Serbia part of EU?

No, we are negotiating and theres bunch of problems with current leaders and Kosovo, its just a mess. But lets not talk about politics here lol

 

Straight Power 11 550W would be $115 (102e) instead of $120 which is pretty much nothing. I think used corsairs are better option than this.

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