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Why hello there Cruchy.

 

Shall we play a game.

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1 hour ago, nicklmg said:

we observe all standard holidays in BC (10 workdays per year, or 320 manhours per year if we're looking solely at the effect to the editing workflow)

YOU GUY GET OFF FOR HOLIDAYS???

 

I say that because it still blows my mind you guys are required to be off on standard holidays. Here in the US the only people that are get off for standard holidays are government employees, banks (I guess because technically the FDIC is closed on holidays), and usually people that work education (if the school or such is closed). The private sector isn't required to be off (this varies by state). Working retail for the last 2.5 years has ruined holidays for me (I may be off of school, but then that typically means I am working) (my employer is only closed on Christmas).

 

It also blows my mind that maturity leave is so long up there too.


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38 minutes ago, This_guy1998 said:

YOU GUY GET OFF FOR HOLIDAYS???

 

I say that because it still blows my mind you guys are required to be off on standard holidays. Here in the US the only people that are get off for standard holidays are government employees, banks (I guess because technically the FDIC is closed on holidays), and usually people that work education (if the school or such is closed). The private sector isn't required to be off (this varies by state). Working retail for the last 2.5 years has ruined holidays for me (I may be off of school, but then that typically means I am working) (my employer is only closed on Christmas).

 

It also blows my mind that maturity leave is so long up there too.

In Canada, for a Statutory (Mandatory) Holiday, you either:

 

1. Get the day off, or

2. Get paid 1.5x your normal wage

 

Each province has their own set of Statutory Holidays - but they pretty much all have the same 6-8 base holidays, with minor variations here and there. For example, In BC, Remembrance Day is a Statutory Holiday. Whereas where I live, in Ontario, it's a non-statutory holiday. Very few (if any) places are closed, and no one gets bonus pay.

 

On the flip side, Ontario is the only province that observes Boxing Day as a Statutory Holiday.


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3 hours ago, nicklmg said:

Uh... tight completion deadlines don't have to be accompanied by tight release timelines. You can have one without the other.

 

You're assuming that an editor doesn't have 5+ other videos to work on during any 14-day span, which would be a false assumption.

 

And you're also assuming zero variance in workflow. We release videos within 24-48 hours of shooting at events like CES. We often receive products on a Tuesday which have an embargo date of Friday of that same week.

 

I'd urge you to think a bit more critically before making sweeping judgments on how "easy" someone else's job is. I assure you that everyone here works long hours and wouldn't call their job "easy."

 

1 hour ago, nicklmg said:

For sure. This isn't really direct to you, but hey here's a general reply for anyone interested:

 

 

To give you an idea of what makes up our editors' days, here's a very quick & dirty breakdown.

 

We currently have 4 full-time editors on staff. So 160 editing manhours per week.

We publish 6-7 LTT videos, 3 Tech Quickies, and 3 TechLinked videos per week, so 12-13 videos.

 

On top of that, we create videos for brands that don't ever see the light of day on LMG-owned channels, and sometimes don't see the light of day outside of closed platforms (for internal training & education purposes). Let's say we do 2 of those per week - tough to give an exact number, but 2 is a pretty safe average.

So at the very simplest level, if all videos are considered the same and require the same amount of time spent on editing, we have 10-12 hours to spend on each video.

 

So 10-12 hours to spend on each video, that's pretty good... but that has to include rendering, exporting (2 versions - 1 for Floatplane without sponsors, and 1 for YouTube with sponsors), and uploading to our publishing platforms - this time varies video by video, but can easily take 2-3 hours for an average video.

 

This also doesn't consider QC & review. All of our videos are reviewed by the writer, who can request changes or fixes to an edit, and a manager (typically myself or Linus) who can also request changes or fixes to an edit after the writer review changes have been implemented. The writer review is there to essentially ensure that the intent of the video is being translated in the final version, there are no blatant errors (eg. the wrong name is used for a product, a graph is being used at the wrong time, etc.), and that all necessary b-roll shots have been added to fully communicate our message. The manager review is mainly in place for branding, "channel fit," and policy implementations (eg. are we listing these specs in a way that makes sense based on the way that we list specs across the rest of our videos, are all swearwords censored, are we using any copyrighted materials that could cause us to get flagged on YouTube, if so are we using them in a way that aligns with the Fair Use designation, etc.).

 

And once those 2 reviews are done and the finished version is exported, it's reviewed a THIRD time by an edit supervisor to ensure that no technical mistakes were made, and no software bugs impacted the final export (eg. the dreaded red "file not found" Adobe screen).

 

All of this can easily take 1-2 hours in total for an average 10-15 minute video.

 

And on top of all of that, we observe all standard holidays in BC (10 workdays per year, or 320 manhours per year if we're looking solely at the effect to the editing workflow), and each editor is entitled to 2 weeks of paid vacation per year as defined by law in BC (10 workdays per editor per year, or another 320 manhours per year).

 

 

So yeah... if it ever seems, at a glance, that we don't do that much work, or that the amount of people we have working here doesn't make sense... just know that there are a lot of behind-the-scenes factors that you may not be considering that make a massive difference at the end of the day :)

Right, and I also never said they only have one, I said it is doubtful they would in brackets, I know for a fact a editor at LMG would have multiple projects going on with tight deadlines. However compared to others out there the jobs they do are easy. My point is the time per minute of rendered video that gets posted is a lot lower than what some fan based or other productions have and in compared to timelines a lot looser. Equally I only stated for editors not what happens after for QA if QA issues arise I would expect that to be included in their total time working on said video, so yes I would expect each video to be done before the 2 weeks is up.

 

You also assume a lot about me it seems and that I know nothing about video editing, which is false. I understand a lot of QA goes into your videos and I hate issues that adobe spits out after you finish editing which I've seen and you could spend hours just trying to fix them because when one is fixed another might happen at no fault of anyone. My point to the person I quoted is yes it's hard work but it's far from what I would classify as absurd deadlines. One of your videos should be able to be edited in a day depending on complexity of the shoot and what's required which is within your 10-12 hours.

 

I also don't classify techlinked as much of a issue for editors as the style is meant to be a hack and slash style video which shouldn't take more than a 2 hours to edit. Equally I would assume you have more than just 4 editors on site, maybe not full time or their full time job but someone who can easily jump in to take over if/when needed therefor holidays and vacation time is a moot point, because then someone can equally say well this editor called in sick or that editor got into a accident on the way to work and will be out for a week, etc. So assuming 3 guaranteed full time editors for 40 hours a week that gives each editor 9 hours per video per week this includes re-edits everything, the second you throw a 4th editor into the mix it increases to 12 hours for editors alone, and yes I know you could have 2 extra videos a week like what linus said in his live stream and as you mentioned. So lets assume you do 20 a week total that still gives each editor a average of (based on 48 weeks of work) 7 hours and 15 minutes per video. Because LMG is organized and because editors typically only do editing one work day per video is far from hard work, it's not easy but it's not ridiculous, and remember that is a average not what really goes on, but that's assuming your editors do nothing for a whole month as well whether it be 1 day here or there or all in one shot and at 20 videos per week at 4 editors. Some videos like TL will take less time where as some videos like the IBM keyboard video would take forever the average editing time of a video should never exceed that 7 hours and that's including errors and issues.

 

Simply put your editors have easy jobs compared to what could be required of them for their time, personally I would never ask more of them as your quality will suffer as how I did the math a 7 hour timeline is perfect for editing and issues for the editing style, time and layout for LMG videos you could push it down to 4 hours maybe however I would expect to see errors to become more and more frequent. My point was for editing alone not what others after the editors have to do, if the editor has to view and fix the video before handing it off to whoever I would expect that to be included in the 7 hours, remember the 7 hours does not have to be consecutive and can be collective for each video. So the initial editing can only take 3 hours but tweaks and errors could take up to 4 hours on the editors part, what happens out of the editors time is not the point of my post as it is not their job, their job is to follow what is given nothing more nothing less correct? They don't have to worry about branding or errors on the video side where Linus did a oops and they didn't know about it(if they did I know there would be a procedure for that in place I would expect), their job is to edit a video following the guidelines outlined for that video by whoever it is who does that job whether it be you the writer or your neighbors pet dog, their job is to edit and fix errors based on those guidelines if any come up which I'm sure each video has usually one. 

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45 minutes ago, dalekphalm said:

In Canada, for a Statutory (Mandatory) Holiday, you either:

 

1. Get the day off, or

2. Get paid 1.5x your normal wage

 

Each province has their own set of Statutory Holidays - but they pretty much all have the same 6-8 base holidays, with minor variations here and there. For example, In BC, Remembrance Day is a Statutory Holiday. Whereas where I live, in Ontario, it's a non-statutory holiday. Very few (if any) places are closed, and no one gets bonus pay.

 

On the flip side, Ontario is the only province that observes Boxing Day as a Statutory Holiday.

I guess the US is about that money and time then. Some employers still do holiday pay but that is getting less and leas common here.


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12 hours ago, This_guy1998 said:

I guess the US is about that money and time then. Some employers still do holiday pay but that is getting less and leas common here.

Here, employers have no choice. You want to stay open on a Holiday? Cool. Pay your employees time-and-a-half. Outside of retail/restaurants, most businesses will close on stat holidays in Canada.


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15 hours ago, dalekphalm said:

Here, employers have no choice. You want to stay open on a Holiday? Cool. Pay your employees time-and-a-half. Outside of retail/restaurants, most businesses will close on stat holidays in Canada.

My state (veries by state but Alot of the 50 states have the same laws) basically says it's up to the employer and gives "suggestions." My state is also "at-will" meaning they can fire you anytime for any reason (no probation period). The only way around the "at-will" is have a union (which is frowned at by most employers now, I personally have mixed feelings on them myself).

 

Even other benefits/health insurance are kinda whatever too.

 

I think it's neat hearing about other countries laws you don't normally hear about. I'm kinda jealous of y'all now.


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On 4/1/2019 at 3:55 PM, This_guy1998 said:

Here in the US the only people that are get off for standard holidays are government employees.

This really depends on the employer, and I'd argue that you owe it to yourself to get into a position where you're treated well. It's easier said than done though and I had to move (the first job after college, I moved 40 miles, the next job I moved 300). I worked in retail for years. Would not recommend. 

First job in retail: Started at $7USD, almost 0 vacation (not sure what their policy was but I think I had something like 80 hours accrued after 5 years of working part time 20-30 hours most weeks)


My first employer after college: 6 holidays + 4.67 weeks of vacation (after 5 years) + flexible work arrangements (think 2 week visit to see family on the opposite side of the country where I worked 4 hour days remotely and only used 1 week of PTO). I used every single day of PTO offered, even if it was to take half of a Friday off every so often. 


Current US employer: 12 holidays + 3 weeks of vacation + flexible work arrangements (same "extended vacation" + plenty of people working from home as needed, also some people visiting international offices if they want to do a vacation to Tokyo or London or Zurich); PTO goes up to 4 weeks when I hit year 3 and 5 weeks at year 5


PM me if you want insights or career planning advice (which includes spend 100 hours on resume + interview prep, note that you get 100 hours more vacation within the first year or two so it pays for itself very quickly[also way more pay]). 

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4 hours ago, comander said:

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My point was that unlike up there in Canada, US companies aren't required/pressured to do things like what happens up there. I know about finding a company that treats you well and such.

 

My college has career services for free that helps students/alumni with jobs, plus I know people that have given me/offered me advise for jobs.


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13 hours ago, This_guy1998 said:

My point was that unlike up there in Canada, US companies aren't required/pressured to do things like what happens up there. I know about finding a company that treats you well and such.

  

My college has career services for free that helps students/alumni with jobs, plus I know people that have given me/offered me advise for jobs.

Good. One warning, most universities have very very mediocre career services. Don't ask me how I know. Same thing with people offering advice. Question the quality of just about everything (including what I write). 

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17 hours ago, comander said:

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Can you just tell me what you do?

 

Jeez man, I am a teacher trying to get outta the career, as it wasn't even my long term plan as it was, and I feel like I would trade my summer vacations for job 2 or 3 of yours. Lol.


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On 4/4/2019 at 10:56 AM, AmpedUpDad said:

Can you just tell me what you do?

 

Jeez man, I am a teacher trying to get outta the career, as it wasn't even my long term plan as it was, and I feel like I would trade my summer vacations for job 2 or 3 of yours. Lol.

I'm a data scientist at a top tech firm. Technical track with a bunch of engineers but don't have a proper engineering background. Same with my manager who dropped out of a PhD program in the social sciences. Learned techy stuff by reading around on forums. Finished undergrad knowing how to use excel and not much else and just watched tons of coursera videos on analytics and coding and then found ways to apply them at work.


So, everything requires work, getting a decent role (in nearly any industry) probably takes 100 hours of prep before even starting applying to places. There is some inertia because appearing "competent on paper" takes time to build up. At this point you should focus on maximizing your existing experience and looking for ways to get more qualified on paper with minimal work. 
 

A rough overview of my strategy for looking qualified on paper is on these two links (resume template/strategy was good enough to get interviews at places like Facebook, Harvard Business School, MIT, Gates Foundation, etc.):


https://www.caseinterview.com/cover-letter-2
https://www.mergersandinquisitions.com/free-investment-banking-resume-template/

 

Get big names on the resume somehow (X,Y,Z was a client, volunteered for A,B,C, basically anything that people are familiar with and think of as solid), show numbers, show high accomplishment relative to tenure, show interactions with high level people (I wrote CTO, VP, SVP, Director, etc. on my resumes a bunch). Write each item on the resume as succinctly as possible. Then, on a separate paper, write a short essay with a lot of details for each (people you worked with, methods used, challenges, lessons learned)... then polish the resume to make it reasonably succinct. Also find ways to bs "leadership" think joining the board of some organization. Along the way you'll hopefully become a more capable person as a result of the work and reflection. Get REALLY good at knowing yourself and be able to do "tell me about yourself" REALLY WELL for several different audiences. Also try to find 2-3 people on youtube who are in your area of interest and absorb their knowledge (particularly with respect to how to prepare for interviews efficiently). At this point just start reaching out to people, showing that you've done your homework, that you're respectful of their time and cross your fingers a bit. A surprising chunk will offer referrals (don't ask for a referral at first, just ask for their perspective and if you don't click, go on to someone else)


 

Assuming you do most things right and have some luck you'd likely land in a role paying respectably. After 1-3 years upgrade to a better experience, preferably in an industry/role with a lot of demand and get paid to learn stuff on the job. Repeat a few times and you could end up at a place like Facebook, Google, Uber, AirBnB, Netflix, etc. where they're paying 20-somethings (and a few 30 somethings) 100-300k a year for a relatively cushy work week. Definitely requires hustle and some luck. If you fall short you'll likely be more than alright. 

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