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(UPDATED - Claim has been removed) The Linux Gamer's response video to LTT got claimed by Fullscreen

1 hour ago, Spotty said:

You seem to be misinformed. There's a HUGE difference between a copyright claim and a takedown notice resulting in a copyright strike.

Copyright claims, which is what has happened here to The Linux Gamer are often an automatic process where Content ID detects that a portion of your copyrighted content has appeared in another video on Youtube, and will issue a copyright claim on the video. The video remains public and viewable by the viewers, however any ad revenue generated by the video may be redirected to the original copyright holder. There's no punishment for the channel when a copyright claim is made against them, they will just lose the revenue for the video.

Copyright strikes or takedown notices, which is what The Verge did, are when they manually issue a legal notice that a video is infringing on their copyright and that they demand the video be removed from the platform. The channel will then receive a copyright strike against their channel which comes with punishments for the channel, such as losing their ability to live stream or perhaps no longer being 'recommended' or promoted in the search results or feed which can severely hurt the channels traffic and views. If they are issued with multiple copyright strikes, their channel can be removed completely.

 

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This is an excellent explanation of how these things work. 

 

I'd like to add that as long as the creator who gets the automated claim disputes it in a timely manner, there is no lost revenue during the period while it was "claimed". 

 

I've been down at IBM Think for the last couple of days and this thread is the first I'm hearing of this issue.. Aaaand it's already resolved. 

 

So, as far as I can tell, everything is working as it should...ish

 

We have noticed a significant uptick in copyright claims in the last couple of weeks, though, with some of them being in really really old content which suggests youtube has made some kind of change to ContentID and we've been trying to figure out how to address it.

 

We are generally pretty supportive of the creation of derivative works by our community and we want to make sure that they aren't being algorithmically claimed, but this change has caused other issues for us too. I woke up the other morning to a handful of claims made against Tech Quickie by LTT... Can't have that. 

 

I'm sure this will be resolved, but it's probably going to take some time for youtube to get their crap in order, as usual. 

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6 minutes ago, firelighter487 said:

someone from the LMG staff would have to confirm the partnership with Fullscreen...

 

but if they are not partnered this is even more messed up...

They confirmed it back in 2017

 

https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/809940-is-linus-media-group-owned-by-fullscreen-network/?do=findComment&comment=10172244


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there used to be a list on socialblade, but that one has been removed...

 

but I believe nick more than a website

1 minute ago, Lukyp said:

Can someone tell me what Fullscreen is?

a big media company

 

 

btw, it's  funny how they are joking about AT&T even if they are indirectly part of the company


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6 minutes ago, Lukyp said:

Can someone tell me what Fullscreen is?

It is a Multi Channel Network or MCN. Here's a brief summary of what they do by The Game Theorists. They used to do a TON more and were REQUIRED if you wanted to make money. Now-a-days they're not and can be up to shady stuff.
 

 


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1 minute ago, LukeSavenije said:

btw, it's  funny how they are joking about AT&T even if they are indirectly part of the company

lol it's because tech news doesnt take sides jk

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10 minutes ago, Ken Layug said:

lol it's because tech news doesnt take sides jk

i know... but just the thought itself is funny


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16 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

there used to be a list on socialblade, but that one has been removed...

 

but I believe nick more than a website

a big media company

 

 

btw, it's  funny how they are joking about AT&T even if they are indirectly part of the company

LMG is not part of AT&T even indirectly. They have a business relationship where LMG basically buys a management service from Fullscreen and in return Fullscreen displays ads on their videos and handles copyright stuff.


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1 minute ago, aakopa said:

LMG is not part of AT&T even indirectly. They have a business relationship where LMG basically buys a management service from Fullscreen and in return Fullscreen displays ads on their videos and handles copyright stuff.

you're right

 

I meant more in a "linked" way


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A MCN to handle the Copyright stuff has value to any large channel. For LMG, it's simply an insurance premium-type of contracting. Which also probably just means Fullscreen added some part of LTT's catalog into the ContentID system.

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@Terryv @The Benjamins thanks! i've updated it.


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and that's the difference between a trustworthy MCN and a collective out to hurt competition

(which is a shame because I kinda like a few nonpolitical/academic subjects on Vox's channel)

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8 minutes ago, VegetableStu said:

(which is a shame because I kinda like a few nonpolitical/academic subjects on Vox's channel)

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he gets no sympathy from me. 

 

On 10/1/2018 at 12:41 AM, Rohith_Kumar_Sp said:

I think he's over critiquing it, he complains how Linus didn't find the latest driver and had v390 (which came on 03-09-2018), he assumes he made the video like yesterday (v396 come on 23rd, he made the response video on 24th of sep). just saying. 

 

On 10/1/2018 at 10:20 PM, Rohith_Kumar_Sp said:

ok, i think this guy comes off as a jerk. 

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On 10/1/2018 at 10:44 PM, Rohith_Kumar_Sp said:

exactly, he made some good points but was also too picky, if he can criticize someone else's work it's also fair that other people can criticize his. // off topic , total-biscuit also did the same wrongdoings.

 


 

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Yeah, a lot of LTT is made ahead of time. Sometimes by a month or more. Perhaps The Linux Gamer is just frustrated at the situation and it's showing, I'd have to look into him more to make a more informed opinion though.


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5 minutes ago, Rohith_Kumar_Sp said:

he gets no sympathy from me. 

 

Just curious but does the Canadian with the still-expanding youtube tech business does gets sympathy for you? Is it the awful dad jokes and endless puns that gets you to care? Or do you have any other flimsy rationalizations to waste time victim-blaming while we have shit Linus should have under control and profusely apologize for even if it was entirely on Fullscreen's end?


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10 hours ago, Rohith_Kumar_Sp said:

he gets no sympathy from me.

i don't think he watches regularly, because people sent him the video and then he responded. if he's not a regular viewer he might not have known about FloatPlane, LTT's release schedule, etc.

also the graphics driver thing, he just said he's on 396 to give some context.

to be clear here, i disagree with him on a lot of points but on this one i can see why he would have done it this way.

 

10 hours ago, rcmaehl said:

Yeah, a lot of LTT is made ahead of time. Sometimes by a month or more.

if he's not a regular viewer he wouldn't have known that.


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Just now, firelighter487 said:

i don't think he watches regularly, because people sent him the video and then he responded. if he's not a regular viewer he might not have known about FloatPlane, LTT's release schedule, etc.

i tried explaining this to him, he's blocked me on his channel for saying what i said above.


 

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Just now, Rohith_Kumar_Sp said:

i tried explaining this to him, he's blocked me on his channel for saying what i said above.

he did? interesting. that's kinda rude.

 

like i said i disagree with him quite often.


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1 minute ago, firelighter487 said:

if he's not a regular viewer he wouldn't have known that.

He actively ignored people who brought that up on that video, he's removed many people's comments that says the same thing, he knows he's in the wrong, did he take down the video after people informed him? no, he did not. he has a misinformed video still up. 


 

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7 minutes ago, rcmaehl said:

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Yeah, a lot of LTT is made ahead of time. Sometimes by a month or more. Perhaps The Linux Gamer is just frustrated at the situation and it's showing, I'd have to look into him more to make a more informed opinion though.

I saw some FP Videos go on YT weeks later, due to timed sensitive stuff pushing back its YT release.

 

Also linus has stated that they sometimes increase the backlog of videos for times where employees have planned vacations and what not. 


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