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Roughly 17,000 Android apps reportedly tracking users, violating Google's Developer Ad Policy, research says

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17 hours ago, BuckGup said:

IOS who?

 

19 hours ago, firelighter487 said:

*laughs in iPhone*

Come on, it's known the google play store sucks compared to everything, but just because apple said something about privacy you are going to completely trust them?

 

Every company sells data in a way or another, deal with it

If you completely trust what companies say you are just a marketing puppet, and that's what they would like to have, especially Apple main revenues probably comes in another way

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so they are not aggressive as a company like Google who mainly offers free services, I mean, even Linux fanboys do not know anything about Canonical integrated tracking systems inside Ubuntu.

 

 

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30 minutes ago, Lukyp said:

Every company sells data in a way or another, deal with it

If you completely trust what companies say you are just a marketing puppet, and that's what they would like to have, especially Apple main revenues probably comes in another way

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so they are not aggressive as a company like Google who mainly offers free services, I mean, even Linux fanboys do not know anything about Canonical integrated tracking systems inside Ubuntu.

1) Not all companies sell data. A lot of them do, but not all. 

 

2) we know where Apple's revenue come from. They are a publicly trading company and has to publish reports about it. 

 

3) Please don't try and compare apples and oranges. The data collection in Ubuntu can't be compared to what for example Google or Microsoft does. You're comparing things like optionally sending "I run this version of the OS" at installation to constantly sending what programs you run, when you run then, what you're doing inside them, etc. 

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49 minutes ago, Lukyp said:

Come on, it's known the google play store sucks compared to everything, but just because apple said something about privacy you are going to completely trust them?

Apple makes money selling devices and software. google makes money selling your data. that is a huge difference.

 

also Apple hasn't been exposed lying about not collecting data when they are not supposed to (as far as i know, if i'm wrong please correct me), whereas Google has been exposed for doing so multiple times.


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3 hours ago, Lukyp said:

 

Come on, it's known the google play store sucks compared to everything, but just because apple said something about privacy you are going to completely trust them?

 

Every company sells data in a way or another, deal with it

If you completely trust what companies say you are just a marketing puppet, and that's what they would like to have, especially Apple main revenues probably comes in another way

  Reveal hidden contents

Just how 🤔

 

so they are not aggressive as a company like Google who mainly offers free services, I mean, even Linux fanboys do not know anything about Canonical integrated tracking systems inside Ubuntu.

 

 

Actually no Apple has been doing a lot more than just talking about privacy. Like giving Google and Facebook the boot. Also kicking many other apps off the store and keeping data on the phone. It makes sense as people aren't buying as many new iPhones so now they can market privacy which people would easily justify paying more for as Google and others actively sell all your data in trade for a cheaper phone.


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4 hours ago, BuckGup said:

Actually no Apple has been doing a lot more than just talking about privacy. Like giving Google and Facebook the boot. Also kicking many other apps off the store and keeping data on the phone. It makes sense as people aren't buying as many new iPhones so now they can market privacy which people would easily justify paying more for as Google and others actively sell all your data in trade for a cheaper phone.

That doesn't mean they aren't selling your data at all.  They tax dodge all the time too, but act like they didn't either.  For all you know they could be doing it because they aren't profiting off the sale of your data from those companies.  There is no good guy when it comes to corporations.  They care more about money than they do about people.


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1 minute ago, valdyrgramr said:

That doesn't mean they aren't selling your data at all.  They tax dodge all the time too, but act like they didn't either.  For all you know they could be doing it because they aren't profiting off the sale of your data from those companies.  There is no good guy when it comes to corporations.  They care more about money than they do about people.

Yes but there’s valid proof Google does and nothing has surfaced form Apple in recent years 


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Just now, BuckGup said:

Yes but there’s valid proof Google does and nothing has surfaced form Apple in recent years 

That still doesn't mean Apple isn't you're just trusting them over it.  Apple has done plenty of shady and shitty things for years and they're a corporation.  Why trust them?  Heck, if they really cared as much they claimed then why did they let those companies on their platform in the first place?


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8 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

That still doesn't mean Apple isn't you're just trusting them over it.  Apple has done plenty of shady and shitty things for years and they're a corporation.  Why trust them?  Heck, if they really cared as much they claimed then why did they let those companies on their platform in the first place?

You are missing the point. Also they were breaching Apples rules so it’s not like what they were doing was allowed. That’s why they got shut down


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4 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

You are missing the point. Also they were breaching Apples rules so it’s not like what they were doing was allowed. That’s why they got shut down

Which is what Apple claims, but for all you know it could have been because they wouldn't give Apple some of the funds for doing it.  You're just taking Apple's word for it.


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1 minute ago, valdyrgramr said:

Which is what Apple claims, but for all you know it could have been because they wouldn't give Apple some of the funds for doing it.  You're just taking Apple's word for it.

Yes it's in their best interest to actually do what they say and there is no proof to your statement. On the other hand another company might use the data as part of it's source of income 


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1 minute ago, BuckGup said:

Yes it's in their best interest to actually do what they say and there is no proof to your statement. On the other hand another company might use the data as part of it's source of income 

You also have no proof that they aren't you're just trusting them based on the fact that it hasn't been leaked yet.  We only have Apple's word for it, and their word has never been that great nor has their history when it comes to shady shit.  I don't trust any corporation's word because it's more likely that they're bsing for profit.


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4 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

That still doesn't mean Apple isn't you're just trusting them over it.  Apple has done plenty of shady and shitty things for years and they're a corporation.  Why trust them?  Heck, if they really cared as much they claimed then why did they let those companies on their platform in the first place?

In order to comply with GDPR they have to be able to provide you with all the data they store that is connected to you, at least as an EU citizen. They do do that for US citizens as well though. So you can easily request to have all your data sent to you. Funnily enough Gary Explains published a video about that today: 

 

TLDR: Among other things Google saves all your purchases that you've ever made online (even purchases not related to google. They get this info from your gmail), they store your location with every search you have ever made, mp3 files of every command spoken to the google assistant etc. Even if they wanted this data for training AIs or whatever, they don't have to connect it to you personally, it could have been anonymized. But they don't want that of course because their business model is monetizing your data, so personal data is more valuable than anonymized data. 

 

Apple on the other hand has no way of monetizing your data. They have a completely different business model and they only want your money. Consequently, when you request your data from Apple you will get stuff like logs of your iCloud logins, your name and stuff related to your registered Apple devices, iMessage logs (not the content), apple care and warranty stuff etc. 

 

This is something that anyone can request and see for themselves how much personal data these tech companies have on you and they have to provide it to you because that is the law. Saying that "Apple is lying!" is silly because there is no proof of that, it would be illegal and very costly if people find out, and there is very little incentive for Apple to do that as they have no way of monetizing your data anyway. Having said all of that, Apple is no saint, they are not a charity fighting for privacy. But they are a company who doesn't need to monetize their users data, and whose competition does. Pushing this privacy narrative is obviously a business decision because they can offer something their competition can't.  

 

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24 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

You also have no proof that they aren't you're just trusting them based on the fact that it hasn't been leaked yet.  We only have Apple's word for it, and their word has never been that great nor has their history when it comes to shady shit.  I don't trust any corporation's word because it's more likely that they're bsing for profit.

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2 minutes ago, Umberto said:

In order to comply with GDPR they have to be able to provide you with all the data they store that is connected to you, at least as an EU citizen. They do do that for US citizens as well though. So you can easily request to have all your data sent to you. Funnily enough Gary Explains published a video about that today: 

 

TLDR: Among other things Google saves all your purchases that you've ever made online (even purchases not related to google. They get this info from your gmail), they store your location with every search you have ever made, mp3 files of every command spoken to the google assistant etc. Even if they wanted this data for training AIs or whatever, they don't have to connect it to you personally, it could have been anonymized. But they don't want that of course because their business model is monetizing your data, so personal data is more valuable than anonymized data. 

 

Apple on the other hand has no way of monetizing your data. They have a completely different business model and they only want your money. Consequently, when you request your data from Apple you will get stuff like logs of your iCloud logins, your name and stuff related to your registered Apple devices, iMessage logs (not the content), apple care and warranty stuff etc. 

 

This is something that anyone can request and see for themselves how much personal data these tech companies have on you and they have to provide it to you because that is the law. Saying that "Apple is lying!" is silly because there is no proof of that, it would be illegal and very costly if people find out, and there is very little incentive for Apple to do that as they have no way of monetizing your data anyway. Having said all of that, Apple is no saint, they are not a charity fighting for privacy. But they are a company who doesn't need to monetize their users data, and whose competition does. Pushing this privacy narrative is obviously a business decision because they can offer something their competition can't.  

 

Not in the EU, but in America where the government and pretty much everyone else has your data.  How isn't it illegal or costly for Google, MS, and pretty much every other company doing it?  You're also acting like Apple cares if they break the law when they've done it several times.  You also have no proof that they aren't we're simply trusting their word for it because it hasn't been leaked.  It's not silly to not trust the word of a known lawbreaker that lies all the time.  But I simply do not trust corporations when they claim they aren't doing something.  The only things I see them offering is a better lie and shit pricing lately.


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4 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

What @Umberto said 

Which is pretty much trust a known liar, expect a known criminal to not break the law, and expect Apple of all people to not try and profit off something they shouldn't be able to profit on.  Ya, that seems legit.


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2 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

Which is pretty much trust a known liar, expect a known criminal to not break the law, and expect Apple of all people to not try and profit off something they shouldn't be able to profit on.  Ya, that seems legit.

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Just now, valdyrgramr said:

Not in the EU, but in America where the government and pretty much everyone else has your data.  How isn't it illegal or costly for Google, MS, and pretty much every other company doing it?  You're also acting like Apple cares if they break the law when they've done it several times.  You also have no proof that they aren't we're simply trusting their word for it because it hasn't been leaked.  It's not silly to not trust the word of a known lawbreaker that lies all the time.  But I simply do not trust corporations when they claim they aren't doing something.  The only things I see them offering is a better lie and shit pricing lately.

It is not illegal to store personal data. What is illegal, however, is to store personal data and then not provide it when asked. Google evidently does provide it when asked. Apple does. I would assume all other tech companies do as well. 

 

I assume by breaking the law you are referring to the tax dodging, but you are confusing tax evasion with tax avoidance. Tax is a cost and all companies want to minimize costs. What they do then is they use some creative corporate structures to shuffle money and costs around to different internal legal entities in such a way that it will result in as little taxes owed as possible. But the whole point of this is to pay as little tax as possible while still following the law. If they didn't care about following the law they could just lie about their expenses and not pay any taxes, but that would be a very very serious crime and not something that any serious company is interested in doing. Sometimes though, companies make mistakes so they are forced to pay back taxes, and probably some fine and interest. But the point of tax dodging is to do it in accordance with the law. 

 

You just don't like Apple and assumes that they must do everything that's bad, which is moronic. 

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One thing I like about Apple is their actual support in user privacy. Google Needs to fix up real bad.


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1 minute ago, Umberto said:

It is not illegal to store personal data. What is illegal, however, is to store personal data and then not provide it when asked. Google evidently does provide it when asked. Apple does. I would assume all other tech companies do as well. 

 

I assume by breaking the law you are referring to the tax dodging, but you are confusing tax evasion with tax avoidance. Tax is a cost and all companies want to minimize costs. What they do then is they use some creative corporate structures to shuffle money and costs around to different internal legal entities in such a way that it will result in as little taxes owed as possible. But the whole point of this is to pay as little tax as possible while still following the law. If they didn't care about following the law they could just lie about their expenses and not pay any taxes, but that would be a very very serious crime and not something that any serious company is interested in doing. Sometimes though, companies make mistakes so they are forced to pay back taxes, and probably some fine and interest. But the point of tax dodging is to do it in accordance with the law. 

 

You just don't like Apple and assumes that they must do everything that's bad, which is moronic. 

Isn't that EU law, though?  Isn't it also illegal to sell data there as well as track people?

Didn't they lie about expenses or something related to that?

No, I just don't trust corporations when it comes to privacy and a few other things.  They have some decent products, though.  You're acting like I trust Google and MS too when the only reason I use Bing is for the free gift card crap.
 


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Just now, valdyrgramr said:

Isn't that EU law, though?  Isn't it also illegal to sell data there as well as track people?

Didn't they lie about expenses or something related to that?

No, I just don't trust corporations when it comes to privacy and a few other things.  They have some decent products, though.  You're acting like I trust Google and MS too when the only reason I use Bing is for the free gift card crap.
 

In the paradise papers leaks it came to light that Apple had moved key subsidiaries to some tax haven. Nothing illegal, just bad PR. 

 

Google is not selling your data per se, they are monetizing it by using it for advertising purposes. The more they know about you, the better they can target you with ads, the more they can charge companies to advertise their products. They aren't selling your data to some Chinese intelligence service or something. Not even Facebook did that knowingly with the whole Cambridge Analytica scandal, they were just really really reckless with their users data. 

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