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Canon officially announces the EOS RP - A full-frame mirrorless camera starting at $1299

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After countless leaks, Canon has officially taken the wraps off the EOS RP, its second full-frame mirrorless body after the original EOS R released last year.

 

Its main takeaway is the price. The body alone is $1299, which as of this time, is bundled with a grip extension and an RF-to-EF adapter, making it as of now, the cheapest brand-new full-frame mirrorless camera body.

 

The sensor is a full-frame 26.2MP CMOS sensor that appears to be based off the sensor found in the EOS 6D Mark II, compared to the 30.3MP CMOS unit found in the original EOS R, which itself is based off the one found in the EOS 5D Mark IV. It does share the same DIGIC 8 digital processor found in the R alongside the Dual Pixel autofocus system (though with 4779 AF points versus 5655 on the R) and the fully articulating screen.

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While the RP is powered by the new Digic 8 processor, its 26.2MP sensor is almost exactly the same as the one inside the 6D Mark II. It has been redesigned somewhat, to optimise it to work with a mirrorless system and to accommodate the difference in the flange back distance of the RF mount, but for all intents and purposes it’s the same sensor. 

 

Accordingly, the RP has the same ISO100-40,000 (expandable to 102,400), along with Dual Pixel CMOS AF. It will autofocus down to -5EV, and Canon makes the Familiar Manufacturer’s Claim™ that it possesses “the world's fastest AF speed” of 0.05 seconds. The AF coverage is 88% x 100% on the sensor, which provides a mammoth 4,4779 autofocus positions – which is split into 143 zones if you’re using the auto AF functionality. 

 

Servo AF now supports Face Tracking with Eye AF, which was a bit of a glaring omission on the EOS R, along with single point Spot AF, which is something else that has been transplanted from the 6D Mark II. 

It can shoot in 4K up to 25fps, but loses Dual Pixel CMOS AF and suffers about a 1.6x crop when doing so. In 1080p it can shoot up to 60fps, without a crop and with the benefit of Dual Pixel.

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In terms of size and weight (one of the main advantages), the EOS RP measures 5.22×3.35×2.76in (132.5x85x70mm) and weighs 17.11 oz (485g) with a battery and card — the camera is smaller than the Canon Rebel DSLR. By comparison, the EOS R measures 5.3×3.9×3.3in (135.8×98.3×84.4mm) and weighs 23.2oz (660g).

One upgrade over the 6D Mark II is that the RP is able to shoot UHD video, though it's obviously not as good as its more expensive sibling, and does a 1.6x crop when shooting video.

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On the video front, the EOS RP can shoot 4K at 25fps at 120Mb/s and with 8-bit color depth for both internal recording and with an external recorder. By comparison, the EOS R can do 4K at 30fps at 480Mb/s and up to 10-bit with an external recorder. And unlike the EOS R, the EOS RP doesn’t offer Canon Log.

Much like the EOS R, the RP also only features a single SD card slot (although this one supports UHS-II) and for the RP, it has a battery that has a CIPA rating of around 250 shots (you're likely to get a little bit more).

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Alongside the new body, Canon also announced 6 new native RF lenses, which are;

  • 85mm f/1.2L USM
  • 85mm f/1.2L USM DS (Defocus Smoothing)
  • 24-70mm f/2.8L IS USM
  • 15-35mm f/1.8L IS USM
  • 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM
  • 24-240mm F/4-6.3 IS USM

The EOS RP is currently up for pre-order, with the $1299 body-only price including an RF-to-EF adapter and an extension grip. $1699 bundles that alongside an EF 24-105 f/3.5-f/5.6 kit lens. Spending all the way up to $2199 bundles the adapter and extension grip alongside a 24-105 f/4L lens instead of the aforementioned EF kit lens (these prices are from Adorama and do include an instant rebate). The camera will hit shelves and start shipping on the 27th of February. 

 

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Digital Camera World (Body)

Digital Camera World (Lenses)


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7 minutes ago, VegetableStu said:

for some reason the front image of the EOS RP in the official pages makes it looks crappier than the one IRL ._.

It's probably similar to the size of my Fujifilm X-T3


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8 hours ago, Arika S said:

with my limited knowledge of how cameras function: how does this work?

basically it's a giant smartphone camera without the smartphone part

 

the mirrors in DSLRs are for splitting the image to the autofocus chamber and the optical viewfinder

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17 minutes ago, Arika S said:

with my limited knowledge of how cameras function: how does this work?

Basically, the term "mirrorless" denotes a camera that does not utilize a mirror for use with an optical viewfinder. This technically extends to consumer compacts and even smartphone cameras, but the term is usually used for cameras that feature sensors typically found on DSLRs while omitting the mirror reflex mechanism. 

 

Typically, on a DSLR, you have a mirror which reflects light through prisms onto an optical viewfinder, which gives you a direct view of what the lens sees. When you take a photo, the mirror flips up and the shutter opens up, exposing the sensor to capture the photo. 

 

A mirrorless camera omits the mirror and as such, the optical viewfinder. So your viewfinder is either entirely on the LCD display or a separate EVF typically utilizing OLED, and as such, it's 100% in Live View (what the sensor sees). Despite the omission of the mirror, a mechanical shutter still exists. 


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I like Fuji.


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34 minutes ago, Mihle said:

I like Fuji.

So do I, which is why I use an X-T3


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This sounds like a downgrade to me.


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16 minutes ago, D13H4RD said:

So do I, which is why I use an X-T3

Does Fujifilm or anyone sell a mirrorless camera for $1000 or less? 


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13 minutes ago, kuddlesworth9419 said:

This sounds like a downgrade to me.

Well its cheaper then the eos r at least here in the uk so it seems about right 


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59 minutes ago, captain_to_fire said:

Does Fujifilm or anyone sell a mirrorless camera for $1000 or less? 

Yes, but not full frame.

The camera house itself of the X-T20 or X-T30. With kit lens they become more tho.

 

But X-T100 with lens is cheaper.

Sony a6000, but its an older camera.

Canon m50

Olympus and Panasonic have some I think, but those are smaller sensor and stuff, but they have some alternatives.

 

If you care about video, x-t100 and a6000 does not have 4k video that is usable, and canon m50 is only 4k in crop mode. I think most Olympus doesn't have it while Panasonic does, but don't remember the price of those that have.

 


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1 hour ago, D13H4RD said:

So do I, which is why I use an X-T3

I have Fuji X-T20 :)


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2 hours ago, Mihle said:

I like Fuji.

 

2 hours ago, D13H4RD said:

So do I, which is why I use an X-T3

I have an Nikon D610 but lately i'm preferring my Fuji X70 over it. Its just such a nice camera.


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3 hours ago, kuddlesworth9419 said:

This sounds like a downgrade to me.

It’s also roughly $1000 less versus the original EOS R


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Wouldn't a mirror-less camera be better for capturing high FPS footage/several dozen images in a short period while still being able to display an image in the view finder.


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28 minutes ago, rcmaehl said:

Wouldn't a mirror-less camera be better for capturing high FPS footage/several dozen images in a short period while still being able to display an image in the view finder.

that all depends on the image processor and firmware i guess o_o the 1DXii has two digic 6+ processors that does 16/18fps in total, while the Digic 8 on the EOS R does about 8fps

I don't think there's a clear progression on what defines the later generation over the older one for Canon's digic stuff (save for things like autofocus engine and image handling), but nevertheless it's all on what the processor is capable of and how much nerfing the company wants to apply

 

for what it's worth, the 5Div does motion-JPEG 4K movies at 30fps, which is almost literally shooting a 4K jpeg 30 times every second, but with an effective bitrate of 500mbps.... (the obvious upside being you can immediately lift any frame as a standalone JPG file)

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it would be really nice if they just come up some new sensors. that same old chip has been on various cameras for years, think how sony doing amazing tricks on their a7 cameras.

 

canon seems ill-prepared for the mirrorless age when everyone (i mean sony...) is r&ding the crap out of itself for new sensors that are truely optimised for mirrorless bodies, where the old dinosaur just ditch the mirror and get done with it. altho they still have nice glasses.

 

speaking of the price, how much for a second hand vanilla a7 with decent condition now? half, maybe?


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2 hours ago, zassou said:

it would be really nice if they just come up some new sensors. that same old chip has been on various cameras for years, think how sony doing amazing tricks on their a7 cameras.

 

canon seems ill-prepared for the mirrorless age when everyone (i mean sony...) is r&ding the crap out of itself for new sensors that are truely optimised for mirrorless bodies, where the old dinosaur just ditch the mirror and get done with it. altho they still have nice glasses.

 

speaking of the price, how much for a second hand vanilla a7 with decent condition now? half, maybe?

I don't think the sensor is really the whole story, but for the EOS RP, that 6DII sensor is really starting to show its age, especially when the Nikon Z6/Sony a7iii have shown significant improvements in sensor tech. I have a feeling Canon might go all-out with their pro-body but we'll have to see.

 

You can get an a7ii for a little less than an EOS RP, but bear in mind that the first few a7s are more or less WIP products. Their 3rd iterations are much more refined and complete.


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2 hours ago, zassou said:

it would be really nice if they just come up some new sensors. that same old chip has been on various cameras for years, think how sony doing amazing tricks on their a7 cameras.

 

canon seems ill-prepared for the mirrorless age when everyone (i mean sony...) is r&ding the crap out of itself for new sensors that are truely optimised for mirrorless bodies, where the old dinosaur just ditch the mirror and get done with it. altho they still have nice glasses.

 

speaking of the price, how much for a second hand vanilla a7 with decent condition now? half, maybe?

The issue, as I understand it, is that Canon (and Nikon, for that matter) is a classic Japanese company that has a long roadmap ahead of it and doesn't adapt quickly to change.  It's going to release an updated version of camera X a couple years from now, a new camera in existing category Y several years from now, and it would take a giant upheaval to disrupt its strategy.

 

The issue, as you might have guessed, is that Sony is not really a classic Japanese company these days.  It develops aggressively; it isn't really attached to tradition; it's happy to pump out new iterations of successful cameras on a fairly frequent basis.  The EOS R and RP represent Canon being forced to behave more like Sony instead of clinging to some 10- to 20-year roadmap where it assumes nothing will change.

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On 2/14/2019 at 5:58 AM, rcmaehl said:

Wouldn't a mirror-less camera be better for capturing high FPS footage/several dozen images in a short period while still being able to display an image in the view finder.

yes, mirrorless reduces the "flashing" effect of taking photos quickly with a DSLR. Also, the time between shots can be reduced, because the mirror doesn't need to cycle between exposures.


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9 hours ago, Lord Mirdalan said:

yes, mirrorless reduces the "flashing" effect of taking photos quickly with a DSLR. Also, the time between shots can be reduced, because the mirror doesn't need to cycle between exposures.

The one exception are cameras like the EOS 1DX Mark II, which can do 14-16FPS with the mechanical shutter.

 

The only mirrorless that I know of which exceeds that is Sony's a9, but not for a very long period and not with all lenses


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I hope it isn't a cheesy version of the EOS R in hand. The price is entry level which worries me...

 

What do you guy think about the comparison? The specs overall look good on the P but how much does it really differ from the R. 

 

I would be using it for video mainly but am not sure if the EOS R is worth the extra money. 

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On 2/19/2019 at 12:45 PM, MrJustBcause said:

I hope it isn't a cheesy version of the EOS R in hand. The price is entry level which worries me...

 

What do you guy think about the comparison? The specs overall look good on the P but how much does it really differ from the R. 

 

I would be using it for video mainly but am not sure if the EOS R is worth the extra money. 

I got a Canon EOS R, and to me, if you can afford to get a EOS R, get it instead. The EOS RP is very much a budget full-frame camera, meant for stills work. The EOS R is better suited for video work, with Dual Pixel AF for 4K at 30fps, and C-log. You will be happier with the R.

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