The Verge: How we built a copyright strike

[RobbinM]

 

Jay also made a video.

 

 

Steve too.

 

@LinusTech Are you going in as well?

[RobbinM]

Oh, and Eli.

 

 

And boogie

 

 

[BLLDoesTech]

On 2/13/2019 at 3:56 AM, Triventular said:

and lets not forgot where a youtuber got his clip stolen by another youtuber who then copyright striked him for literally using his own uploaded content. @Spotty

 

but these strikes are really getting out of hand, even non tech youtubers are feeling it. the most ridiculous case i heard was someone just sung a part of a song for less than 2 seconds and boom haha this system can just be abused so much by the one who wants the stike and there's not much the strikee can do

happened to me, I had a stream uploaded as a YouTube video.

A car drove by with some rap song playing really loud, AND I GOT COPY STRUCK, like why?

[WkdPaul]

10 hours ago, RobbinM said:

@LinusTech Are you going in as well?

They usually address these in the WAN show.

[Freebo]

Snows has now weight in on it, I'm assuming Tech Linked and WAN show will cover it.

[BananaInSandals]

The Verge's statement about the issue

 

TL;DR the Verge claimed that it was their legal team taking action without consulting anyone else prior. And it was the Verge who had taken down the strike, instead of YouTube as indicated by Kyle's Tweet. Furthermore, The Verge condemned comments and posts making "life threats".

 

My thought:

I don't even know how dumb The Verge has to be to make this shit even worse... Either YouTube is lying (which I doubt), or The Verge is trying their hardest to look really bad. Not to mention the "threat" they posted (Good luck staying alive. The internet doesn't forget.) was clearly saying about the channel. It's like saying "that pizza shop sucks. Hope they close down soon. What a waste of money." 

[maartendc]

Well this sucks and should not have happened.

 

I don't really care for Bitwit's content that much (especially not the cringe-y Lyle videos), but he doesn't deserve to be taken down like that.

[Hiya!]

On 2/13/2019 at 4:18 PM, Rohith_Kumar_Sp said:

 

Spoiler

 

 

That is too HD...  

 

Anyway i am glad that the issue has been solved...and i hope that the verge will lose its credibility 

[Chett_Manly]

The Verge calling Kyle a racist in their post about taking down their false copyright strike is so infuriating. Whatever they do its okay because whoever they are against is always a racist. 

 

I hate these people so much. They are the scum of the Earth and I will cheer when their garbage media outlet is shuttered!

 

 

[TempestCatto]

3 hours ago, Hiya! said:

i hope that the verge will lose its credibility

Since when was The Verge ever credible?

[Wh0_Am_1]

Whelp, good thing that Kyle has survived The Verge Purge.

[Hiya!]

30 minutes ago, TempestCatto said:

Since when was The Verge ever credible?

Dangit forgot the /s

[Valentyn]

Hey @Spotty The Verge have made an official post about it.

https://www.theverge.com/2019/2/15/18226105/a-note-about-youtube-copyright-strikes-from-vox-media?utm_campaign=theverge&utm_content=fan-post&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

They claim Kyle and his video are Racist, and still violated fair use lol. Claiming his video is 90% just unedited upload the Verge's original.

Has the H3H3 lawsuit taught them nothing; they reek of Hypocrisy. 

[LAwLz]

4 hours ago, BananaInSandals said:

The Verge's statement about the issue

 

TL;DR the Verge claimed that it was their legal team taking action without consulting anyone else prior. And it was the Verge who had taken down the strike, instead of YouTube as indicated by Kyle's Tweet. Furthermore, The Verge condemned comments and posts making "life threats".

Wow the writer of that article is such a fucking smug asshole. 

I was expecting an apology but that sounds more like deflection and attacks. 

 

"Baww this situation is so toxic" 

"Vox is very diligent. We are so awesome" 

"We pulled the video because we felt it wasn't that good. Totally not because of the hate we got for it." 

"Kyle just stole 90% of our video and uploaded that to his channel" 

"also, did I mention that Kyle is a racist? Because he totally is you guys. So racist". 

"YouTube totally sided with us that it was not fair use. We were in the right! But I was the better man and let Kyle get his video back despite it not being fair use" 

"By the way, we are totally the victims here who deserve sympathy because someone left a mean comment on one of our videos boo hoo" 

 

That dude is sucking his own dick so hard I'm surprised it was a post on the Verge and not pornhub.

[Drak3]

4 minutes ago, Valentyn said:

They claim Kyle and his video are Racist,

That's oddly benign for a VOX operated outlet.

[Valentyn]

46 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

Wow the writer of that article is such a fucking smug asshole. 

I was expecting an apology but that sounds more like deflection and attacks. 

 

"Baww this situation is so toxic" 

"Vox is very diligent. We are so awesome" 

"We pulled the video because we felt it wasn't that good. Totally not because of the hate we got for it." 

"Kyle just stole 90% of our video and uploaded that to his channel" 

"also, did I mention that Kyle is a racist? Because he totally is you guys. So racist". 

"YouTube totally sided with us that it was not fair use. We were in the right! But I was the better man and let Kyle get his video back despite it not being fair use" 

"By the way, we are totally the victims here who deserve sympathy because someone left a mean comment on one of our videos boo hoo" 

 

That dude is sucking his own dick so hard I'm surprised it was a post on the Verge and not pornhub.

Just how full of shit are they!

YouTube apparently sent Kyle a copy of the email they sent the Verge/Vox. Yet they're claiming the opposite now.
 

 

[Spotty]

Oh? So The Verge has issued a statement regarding the issue... Let's fire up AdBlock and take a look shall we.

https://www.theverge.com/2019/2/15/18226105/a-note-about-youtube-copyright-strikes-from-vox-media

 

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I want to address a situation around some YouTube copyright strikes (since retracted) issued by The Verge and Vox Media that has gotten pretty toxic, and could have been avoided if the parties involved had simply reached out to me directly.

Or, I don't know. Maybe you could have reached out to the other creators before issuing false legal takedown notices. The criticism The Verge is receiving is not "toxicity", it's justified criticism.
 

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Early this week, a number of YouTube reaction videos were flagged to Vox Media's legal team, who are very diligent and protective of our work. Two of them were reactions to a PC build video we had made several months ago which I determined did not meet our standards and had pulled from YouTube.

Doesn't meet your standards? It's not your content! It doesn't have to meet your editorial standards!

Correction: It appears he was referring to the original video published by The Verge that did not meet his standards which he had pulled from YouTube, and was not referring to the reaction videos that did not meet his standards that he had pulled.
 

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Those two reaction videos used 90 percent of our footage without any edits, cuts, or otherwise transformative use, and one of them in particular featured what our legal team felt was a pretty racist character. Our legal team felt this was not fair use, and issued a copyright strike request to YouTube for those two videos. A number of other very critical videos were not responded to in any way.

"used 90 percent of our footage without any edits, cuts", well, that's just a bald faced lie. Kyle's video is back up on YouTube so everyone can see exactly what's in the video, and it's obvious that it's not just "90 percent of your footage without any cuts or edits or otherwise transformative use".
"featured what our legal team felt was a pretty racist character" - Racism, or being offensive in any way, is not copyright infringement. Just because you don't agree with something, does not mean that it's infringing on your copyright.
 

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YouTube notified the two channels in question, said there was a chance our request wouldn't make it through, and asked our legal team for their case. Our team made the case, YouTube agreed the videos were not fair use, and issued the strikes.

No. Fucking. NO. YouTube did not "agree the videos were not fair use" and issue the strikes. Holy fucking shitballs. The Verge has made numerous articles discussing how the YouTube copyright system is an automated system that is open to abuse from malicious or illegitimate claims and takedown requests. YouTube did not review and approve the claim made by The Verge before issuing the takedown notice. That's not how it works. The Verge knows this. The Verge has written articles about how the copyright system works on YouTube! Arrghghhghh!
 

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The Verge has written many times about the problems with YouTube's copyright enforcement mechanism

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One thing I did not do was tweet about it, because I didn't think the nuance of this situation would lend itself to tweets, and also quite honestly because I didn't think it was a big deal. There were strikes, and the strikes were retracted. I assumed everyone would move on.

"I assumed everyone would move on". Hey. The Verge? Guess what. We had moved on from that crappy PC Build video you did. But you dumbasses just had to bring it back didn't you!
 

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The Verge's YouTube channel has since been brigaded with dislikes and nasty comments, and there are now death threats we have to think about. Here's one:

"We're the victim here".


Fuck you, The Verge. Fuck you.

 

Edited February 15, 2019 by Spotty
Correction

[JoostinOnline]

8 minutes ago, Spotty said:

Oh? So The Verge has issued a statement regarding the issue... Let's fire up AdBlock and take a look shall we.

What I don't understand is why you titled this thread as if it was an interview with The Verge.

[Valentyn]

Hey @Spotty it gets better, and spicier as head Verge fella takes to Twitter against Paul.

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/paulhardware/status/1096456078110248960

 

 

Also looks like the claims they made of reversing the strikes are BS. Kyle’s video was reinstated before the Verge/Vox apparently sent their email to reinstate the videos.

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/lolsmcfee/status/1096466394185650176

 

 

 

 

[Valentyn]

Holy crap! They’re going at GamersNexus also.

 

How deep is that hole they plan on digging in the tech space.

 

 

[Beerbuddy]

19 minutes ago, Spotty said:

 

Doesn't meet your standards? It's not your content! It doesn't have to meet your editorial standards!
 

I agree with everything you said except this.  He was talking about the original PC video didn't meet their standards, not Kyle's video.

[Spotty]

58 minutes ago, Beerbuddy said:

I agree with everything you said except this.  He was talking about the original PC video didn't meet their standards, not Kyle's video.

Hmm, yep. You're right. I misread and read it as he was saying the reaction videos did not meet his standards and so he had it pulled from YouTube, however re-reading it he was indeed referring to the video The Verge published which they [eventually] pulled down after huge community backlash. I'll fix up my post.

 

1 hour ago, Valentyn said:

Also looks like the claims they made of reversing the strikes are BS. Kyle’s video was reinstated before the Verge/Vox apparently sent their email to reinstate the videos.

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/lolsmcfee/status/1096466394185650176

I thought that might have been the case, but with timezones (I'm in Aus) I wasn't sure how the time/date was displayed on twitter so didn't want to speak too soon. If the times shown are correct, then holy hell. The Verge just keeps digging their hole deeper.
 

1 hour ago, JoostinOnline said:

What I don't understand is why you titled this thread as if it was an interview with The Verge.

It's a play on the original video title from The Verge which sparked all of this; "How we built a $2000 gaming PC".

[Beerbuddy]

 

3 minutes ago, Spotty said:

Hmm, yep. You're right. I misread and read it as he was saying the reaction videos did not meet his standards and so he had it pulled from YouTube, however re-reading it he was indeed referring to the video The Verge published which they [eventually] pulled down after huge community backlash. I'll fix up my post.

Would't surprise me considering how he's handling the whole situation like a child.  Very unprofessional and unethical.  

[Spotty]

21 minutes ago, Beerbuddy said:

 

Would't surprise me considering how he's handling the whole situation like a child.  Very unprofessional and unethical.  

How hard is it for The Verge to simply say
"Recently The Verge's parent company Vox Media issued DMCA takedown requests to a number of YouTube videos that were reactions videos to a video The Verge published in September 2018. The notices were issued to these videos as they contained a portion of copyrighted material from The Verge, and we believed that it may have been infringing on our copyright. YouTube has since reviewed those claims, and has determined that the claim we made on those channels were not legitimate and the use of The Verge's content in those videos was permitted under fair use. The Verge and Vox Media will endeavour to be more vigilant in checking the validity of any DMCA takedown notice or copyright claim we make prior to issuing it in the future. We apologise for any disruption caused to the channels involved."

[leadeater]

1 hour ago, Spotty said:

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Their website sucks too, majorly. Read the article and a comment one of their moderators posted I wanted to reply to so I clicked reply. The site just returns me to the top of the page with zero feedback, what just happened?? Maybe it's ad block, turn it off, nope same thing. Ok fine I'll try it in Edge, nope same thing. Ok, fine I'll create an account, click the link, nope nothing happens. What? Fine back to Chrome, wow now it works, what ever. Create an account, click reply, no you can't comment new accounts must wait 24 hours, ahh!!!

 

I'll address it here then, and if I can remember tomorrow over there, probably won't get read though.

 

The problem with that above comment is it implies that the tech Youtubes actually have anything to do with that at all, none of them have made any videos or talked about it in a long time, the story was over. People on the internet making comments are just people, doing what they do. If the tech Youtubers told them to stop they won't, probably make it worse by doing so. Far as I can see no lessons were learned about making sure the accuracy and facts are properly checked and presented, the direct cause of the situation.

 

Striking the videos in question would not have stopped the comments, do they really think enough people are actually watching those old videos that it is the causation of the comments. Do they not understand viewership numbers and video staying power, like check your own videos and you'll see just how irrelevant viewership wise they become after just a short time.

 

Maybe the video the Verge made and their handling of the commentary and critiquing was actually just that damaging to their reputation and that alone is the cause of the comments.