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The Verge: How we built a copyright strike

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3 hours ago, Spotty said:

I was wondering why they did it. Seemed strange to me at first.

But then I remembered that there was this controversy about a name registraton from a channel that does a certain kind of videos.

And then I looked at that Channel. ANd they have 18 Million Subs...

 

So in other words, its one of the core things where Youtube might actually make money on, that is in danger because of the Vox/Verge Copyright strike to a "react to" Video. Because that's essentially it.


So if they wouldn't have backed him, the snowball would be rolling and those react things would be taken down one by one.

 

So in other News:
its about a whole bunch of money. 

Possibly 20% of the Revenue of Youtube. Maybe even more than that!


As most of the stuff is kinda React and Commenting on.

 

The Big Hollywood companys might be too big for Google/Youtube right now.

But the Verge/VOX might be small enough so that Youtube can tell them to take a hike.

 

 

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4 hours ago, RejZoR said:

Who honestly believes Coca Cola ad played before Alex Jones meant Coca Cola endorses whatever he said?

Considering Alex Jones's audience, they may actually be the exception here :P

 

To be honest, though, the way brand identity works has changed dramatically in the last few years. Brands can be buried if the wrong social media crowd gets offended at any connection to something controversial. We've moved quite far from the time where "no such thing as bad publicity" was accurate.

 

While I don't quite think that the general population would easily associate, say, modern day Hugo Boss with Nazi Germany, companies are notoriously risk-averse, so it doesn't surprise me that they'd rather just take a step away from that spotlight just in case.

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7 hours ago, LAwLz said:

The problem is that Youtube is essentially too big to fail at this point. Making another service which can rival it is unfeasible. And if some platform were to ever get even close to the same size, it would swiftly be put into the same position Youtube is in today.

 

Youtube is in a tough situation because they have to appease the companies actually giving them money to fund the platform, and at the same time they have to appease their content creators which usually wants the exact opposite of the advertisers.

 

 

Advertiser: We want only things we approve of to be on your platform, or else you won't get any money.

Users: We want more freedom to do whatever we want on our platform (or else we won't give you any content).

 

The part in parenthesis is not actually being said right now, which is why there is only one logical and practical choice for Youtube, to implement exactly the changes the big players (advertisers and companies like Disney, Fox, Viacom, etc) to implement.

 

 

This entire copyright system is actually a consequence of a number of lawsuits filed against Youtube from the likes of Viacom and English Premier League for allowing users to upload copyrighted material. The entire Viacom case was a shit show and if there had been justice in this world Viacom should not have been allowed to exist anymore.

 

Fun fact about the Viacom case, Viacom demanded, and the court ruled that Youtube had to hand over the watch habits of all Youtube users to Viacom. Not just the ones who had watched some specific clips. The entire watch habits of every single user on the site, which included things such as watch history, username, IP addresses, etc. Luckily for us Google fought and managed to get the court to agree that the data should be anonymized before handed over to Viacom.

 

Here is another fun fact about the Viacom case:

 

 

 

That is impossible. The problem is that the DMCA is horrendously broken.

 

Google gets about 2 million DMCA takedown notices EVERY DAY. That translates to about 23 notices EVERY SECOND, 24 hours a day.

 

According to the DMCA, any online service provider has to promptly block access to alleged infringing material when they receive a notification. Failure to do so is essentially the same as assisting in copyright infringement, which Google has been sued for BILLIONS of dollars for in the past.

Google could be sued for billions of dollars if they merely stopped checking DMCA notifications for a day or so. Couple that with the fact that they get over 2 million notices a day, and you quickly see the problem.

 

The DMCA and automation of copyright notices has put them in a position where they are slaves to copyright holders, even those who have been found in court to deliberately upload their own content using disingenuous tactics, pretending like it wasn't them uploading it, for the sole purpose of suing Google.

 

Some other disturbing facts about the rampant DMCA abuse. Back in 2009 Google said that 57% of all takedown notices were sent by a business targeting a competitor. A theoretical example from me would be that Volkswagen might have sent a DMCA takedown for a Ford ad.

37% of all takedown notices were also found to not be valid. I would not be surprised if this number has dramatically increased in the last 10 years, with the explosive growth of automation systems for this (and we all know how reliable those are... right?).

 

 

What I think should happen, is that a law needs to be passed which makes companies liable for misusing DMCA takedowns. It is already illegal, kind of, but only because the sender commits perjury. A better system, which is probably extremely hard to create would punish those mega mega corporations sending thousands of DMCA takedowns every day with a percentage of their total revenue, and individuals sending out single takedowns with a fixed fee.

The money should be split between defendant, service provider (if one exists) and the US court system.

 

So if PewDiePie gets falsely flagged by, purely hypothetical example, Alinity, Alinity should have to pay a static fine of for example 200 dollars where 100 goes to PewDiePie, 50 goes to Youtube and 50 goes to the US courts. Or if PewDiePie hosted his own content on his own site, he would get 150 dollars and the US court 50 dollars.

 

If Viacom were found to have filed 10000 false copyright claims over a year's period, they might have to pay 1% of their annual revenue, which would be split in a similar fashion.

 

 

The problem with such a system would be:

1) Hard to fine tune the amounts, but they would have to be high enough to actually hurt abusers.

2) It would discourage people who are not sure if someone is breaking their copyright from sending a takedown, which would most likely result in more infringements going around and harming the small creators.

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1 hour ago, EldritchMoose said:

Considering Alex Jones's audience, they may actually be the exception here :P

 

To be honest, though, the way brand identity works has changed dramatically in the last few years. Brands can be buried if the wrong social media crowd gets offended at any connection to something controversial. We've moved quite far from the time where "no such thing as bad publicity" was accurate.

 

While I don't quite think that the general population would easily associate, say, modern day Hugo Boss with Nazi Germany, companies are notoriously risk-averse, so it doesn't surprise me that they'd rather just take a step away from that spotlight just in case.

Yeah, these days you can play safe and only use cars. Just to then get crucified because you used too many white cars because that perpetuates white supremacy and literally makes you a nazi overlord, HITLER HIMSELF! Yeah, it's impossible not to offend anyone these days coz everyone gets offended over most petty shit imaginable.

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Been busy these last few weeks, and the week I finally have more time, I come back to this???

 

WTF Vox Media? Seriously, The Verge has MULTIPLE article complaining about the abuse of copyright strikes on YT ... Also, "Streisand effect" much?


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3 hours ago, wkdpaul said:

Been busy these last few weeks, and the week I finally have more time, I come back to this???

 

WTF Vox Media? Seriously, The Verge has MULTIPLE article complaining about the abuse of copyright strikes on YT ... Also, "Streisand effect" much?

I decided to downvote their last 5 videos.

 

Cuz fuck em.


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On 2/13/2019 at 3:56 AM, Triventular said:

and lets not forgot where a youtuber got his clip stolen by another youtuber who then copyright striked him for literally using his own uploaded content. @Spotty

 

but these strikes are really getting out of hand, even non tech youtubers are feeling it. the most ridiculous case i heard was someone just sung a part of a song for less than 2 seconds and boom haha this system can just be abused so much by the one who wants the stike and there's not much the strikee can do

happened to me, I had a stream uploaded as a YouTube video.

A car drove by with some rap song playing really loud, AND I GOT COPY STRUCK, like why?


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@LinusTech Are you going in as well?

They usually address these in the WAN show.


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The Verge's statement about the issue

 

TL;DR the Verge claimed that it was their legal team taking action without consulting anyone else prior. And it was the Verge who had taken down the strike, instead of YouTube as indicated by Kyle's Tweet. Furthermore, The Verge condemned comments and posts making "life threats".

 

My thought:

I don't even know how dumb The Verge has to be to make this shit even worse... Either YouTube is lying (which I doubt), or The Verge is trying their hardest to look really bad. Not to mention the "threat" they posted (Good luck staying alive. The internet doesn't forget.) was clearly saying about the channel. It's like saying "that pizza shop sucks. Hope they close down soon. What a waste of money." 

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Well this sucks and should not have happened.

 

I don't really care for Bitwit's content that much (especially not the cringe-y Lyle videos), but he doesn't deserve to be taken down like that.

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On 2/13/2019 at 4:18 PM, Rohith_Kumar_Sp said:

 

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That is too HD... 😮 

 

Anyway i am glad that the issue has been solved...and i hope that the verge will lose its credibility 


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The Verge calling Kyle a racist in their post about taking down their false copyright strike is so infuriating. Whatever they do its okay because whoever they are against is always a racist. 

 

I hate these people so much. They are the scum of the Earth and I will cheer when their garbage media outlet is shuttered!

 

 

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Whelp, good thing that Kyle has survived The Verge Purge.


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30 minutes ago, TempestCatto said:

Since when was The Verge ever credible?

Dangit forgot the /s


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Hey @Spotty The Verge have made an official post about it.

https://www.theverge.com/2019/2/15/18226105/a-note-about-youtube-copyright-strikes-from-vox-media?utm_campaign=theverge&utm_content=fan-post&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

They claim Kyle and his video are Racist, and still violated fair use lol. Claiming his video is 90% just unedited upload the Verge's original.

Has the H3H3 lawsuit taught them nothing; they reek of Hypocrisy. 


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4 hours ago, BananaInSandals said:

The Verge's statement about the issue

 

TL;DR the Verge claimed that it was their legal team taking action without consulting anyone else prior. And it was the Verge who had taken down the strike, instead of YouTube as indicated by Kyle's Tweet. Furthermore, The Verge condemned comments and posts making "life threats".

Wow the writer of that article is such a fucking smug asshole. 

I was expecting an apology but that sounds more like deflection and attacks. 

 

"Baww this situation is so toxic" 

"Vox is very diligent. We are so awesome" 

"We pulled the video because we felt it wasn't that good. Totally not because of the hate we got for it." 

"Kyle just stole 90% of our video and uploaded that to his channel" 

"also, did I mention that Kyle is a racist? Because he totally is you guys. So racist". 

"YouTube totally sided with us that it was not fair use. We were in the right! But I was the better man and let Kyle get his video back despite it not being fair use" 

"By the way, we are totally the victims here who deserve sympathy because someone left a mean comment on one of our videos boo hoo" 

 

That dude is sucking his own dick so hard I'm surprised it was a post on the Verge and not pornhub.

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4 minutes ago, Valentyn said:

They claim Kyle and his video are Racist,

That's oddly benign for a VOX operated outlet.


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46 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

Wow the writer of that article is such a fucking smug asshole. 

I was expecting an apology but that sounds more like deflection and attacks. 

 

"Baww this situation is so toxic" 

"Vox is very diligent. We are so awesome" 

"We pulled the video because we felt it wasn't that good. Totally not because of the hate we got for it." 

"Kyle just stole 90% of our video and uploaded that to his channel" 

"also, did I mention that Kyle is a racist? Because he totally is you guys. So racist". 

"YouTube totally sided with us that it was not fair use. We were in the right! But I was the better man and let Kyle get his video back despite it not being fair use" 

"By the way, we are totally the victims here who deserve sympathy because someone left a mean comment on one of our videos boo hoo" 

 

That dude is sucking his own dick so hard I'm surprised it was a post on the Verge and not pornhub.

Just how full of shit are they!

YouTube apparently sent Kyle a copy of the email they sent the Verge/Vox. Yet they're claiming the opposite now.
 

 


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Posted (edited) · Original PosterOP

Oh? So The Verge has issued a statement regarding the issue... Let's fire up AdBlock and take a look shall we.

https://www.theverge.com/2019/2/15/18226105/a-note-about-youtube-copyright-strikes-from-vox-media

 

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I want to address a situation around some YouTube copyright strikes (since retracted) issued by The Verge and Vox Media that has gotten pretty toxic, and could have been avoided if the parties involved had simply reached out to me directly.

Or, I don't know. Maybe you could have reached out to the other creators before issuing false legal takedown notices. The criticism The Verge is receiving is not "toxicity", it's justified criticism.
 

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Early this week, a number of YouTube reaction videos were flagged to Vox Media's legal team, who are very diligent and protective of our work. Two of them were reactions to a PC build video we had made several months ago which I determined did not meet our standards and had pulled from YouTube.

Doesn't meet your standards? It's not your content! It doesn't have to meet your editorial standards!

Correction: It appears he was referring to the original video published by The Verge that did not meet his standards which he had pulled from YouTube, and was not referring to the reaction videos that did not meet his standards that he had pulled.
 

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Those two reaction videos used 90 percent of our footage without any edits, cuts, or otherwise transformative use, and one of them in particular featured what our legal team felt was a pretty racist character. Our legal team felt this was not fair use, and issued a copyright strike request to YouTube for those two videos. A number of other very critical videos were not responded to in any way.

"used 90 percent of our footage without any edits, cuts", well, that's just a bald faced lie. Kyle's video is back up on YouTube so everyone can see exactly what's in the video, and it's obvious that it's not just "90 percent of your footage without any cuts or edits or otherwise transformative use".
"featured what our legal team felt was a pretty racist character" - Racism, or being offensive in any way, is not copyright infringement. Just because you don't agree with something, does not mean that it's infringing on your copyright.
 

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YouTube notified the two channels in question, said there was a chance our request wouldn't make it through, and asked our legal team for their case. Our team made the case, YouTube agreed the videos were not fair use, and issued the strikes.

No. Fucking. NO. YouTube did not "agree the videos were not fair use" and issue the strikes. Holy fucking shitballs. The Verge has made numerous articles discussing how the YouTube copyright system is an automated system that is open to abuse from malicious or illegitimate claims and takedown requests. YouTube did not review and approve the claim made by The Verge before issuing the takedown notice. That's not how it works. The Verge knows this. The Verge has written articles about how the copyright system works on YouTube! Arrghghhghh!
 

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The Verge has written many times about the problems with YouTube's copyright enforcement mechanism

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One thing I did not do was tweet about it, because I didn't think the nuance of this situation would lend itself to tweets, and also quite honestly because I didn't think it was a big deal. There were strikes, and the strikes were retracted. I assumed everyone would move on.

"I assumed everyone would move on". Hey. The Verge? Guess what. We had moved on from that crappy PC Build video you did. But you dumbasses just had to bring it back didn't you!
 

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The Verge's YouTube channel has since been brigaded with dislikes and nasty comments, and there are now death threats we have to think about. Here's one:

"We're the victim here".


Fuck you, The Verge. Fuck you.

 

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