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Radeon VII - Did AMD lose again?

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Posted · Original PosterOP

Not sure what pricing is like in the US, but in Canada, the VII seems on par with the 2080 for pricing but just isn't quite as good, but is close.

 

Though does it make up for it that Freesync monitors are cheaper?

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1 minute ago, Masters2150 said:

Not sure what pricing is like in the US, but in Canada, the VII seems on par with the 2080 for pricing but just isn't quite as good, but is close.

 

Though does it make up for it that Freesync monitors are cheaper?

Considering that Nvidia now supports Freesync, the 2080 is better.


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nvidia RTX and 10-series card now work with most Freesync monitors.


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2 minutes ago, Masters2150 said:

Though does it make up for it that Freesync monitors are cheaper?

 

Not anymore that Nvidia cards now support freesync


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Posted · Original PosterOP
Just now, MrChemistryCow9 said:

Considering that Nvidia now supports Freesync, the 2080 is better.

....seriously?!

 

Ok I missed that notice. When then hell did Nvidia taste the Freesync coolaid? That seems completely weird for them. They're screwing over their own g-sync monitors.

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AMD did unlock workstation drivers for the Radeon VII so it can kinda double as a workstation card, but unless you have need for one then there's no point.

 

21 minutes ago, Masters2150 said:

....seriously?!

 

Ok I missed that notice. When then hell did Nvidia taste the Freesync coolaid? That seems completely weird for them. They're screwing over their own g-sync monitors.

starting from driver 417.something


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21 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

starting from driver 417.something

.....just checking now. So I don't need to overspend on a monitor?

 

Then what is the point in g-sync then?

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Just now, Masters2150 said:

....seriously?!

 

Ok I missed that notice. When then hell did Nvidia taste the Freesync coolaid? That seems completely weird for them. They're screwing over their own g-sync monitors.

nvidia is now the company of the people.  

 

https://www.pcworld.com/article/3333637/components-graphics/nvidia-driver-freesync-monitor-support-geforce-graphics-cards.html


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Yeah the VII is a pretty hard meme. If it were at least a hundred bucks cheaper it might be compelling but really all it has in its favor now is lots of fast VRAM and the fact that it's almost certainly going to be an OpenCL (and generally workstation-y task) beast.

 

Just now, Masters2150 said:

Then what is the point in g-sync then?

GSync is still technically the superior tech. Works better (generally speaking) as of now.


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5 minutes ago, MrChemistryCow9 said:

Considering that Nvidia now supports Freesync, the 2080 is better.

Not quite...

 

It only works correctly on a very slim number of freesync monitors. AMD still has the high ground with the majority of them.

 

That said, I agree the 2080 is the better option. Had AMD priced the R VII lower, then maybe it'd be a better option.


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Just now, TheKDub said:

Not quite...

 

It only works correctly on a very slim number of freesync monitors. AMD still has the high ground with the majority of them.

Doesn't look like that slim of a list to me....

 

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Just now, Masters2150 said:

Care to recommend a good freesync monitor that will work with the 2080?

I have not tested any of them, so no.  I would decide what size, resolution, and refresh you want and look in that spreadsheet to see what looks best.


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Truthfully, AMD didnt really care. The Radeon VII card is only meant as a stop gap to get something "new" out there until they can get Navi ready. Navi will be the true test if AMD is serious or a joke. 


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10 minutes ago, TahoeDust said:

Last I heard, only like 7 monitors were supported. Seems like the list has grown since then, as is to be expected.


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25 minutes ago, Masters2150 said:

Though does it make up for it that Freesync monitors are cheaper?

Well, considering Nvidia is starting to support Freesync monitors that meet their standards for Adaptive Sync, no.

From everything we've seen so far (such as the poor driver support at launch, and that it's basically just a Radeon Instinct relabelled as a gaming card, low production volume, and AMD rumoured to be making a loss on each card) it's my opinion that the Radeon VII is just a rushed product they put out to show off at CES because AMD had nothing else to show off (even their Zen2 demonstration was lackluster), and they're desperately trying to put out anything in response to Nvidia's RTX line up since Navi is supposedly still 6+ months away. I think if anyone is buying the Radeon VII thinking it's the most powerful gaming graphics card AMD makes, that they will regret it in 6-12 months time when it's replaced. I just see it as a temporary gap filler in between Polaris/Vega and Navi.
My advice if you want a higher end AMD graphics card for gaming? Grab a Vega 56, or wait for Navi.
 

19 minutes ago, Masters2150 said:

Then what is the point in g-sync then?

Supposedly better quality adaptive sync. G-sync monitors have a separate module in them to control the adaptive sync which, according to Nvidia, is better. That's also why the Gsync monitors cost more.


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2 hours ago, MrChemistryCow9 said:

Considering that Nvidia now supports Freesync, the 2080 is better.

I'd wait a month or two for that statement.

As AMD usually has some pretty nice improvements in performance for new Chips.


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The card is actually cheaper here in Malaysia compare to AMD's previous card Polaris and 1st gen Vega where it slightly more expensive than Nvidia counter parts.

 

Radeon VII price is similar to high end 2070 here.


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10 hours ago, Masters2150 said:

.....just checking now. So I don't need to overspend on a monitor?

 

Then what is the point in g-sync then?

Nvidia is guranteeing certain features on G-Sync monitors. Generally G-Sync monitors are more expensive because they are objectively better monitors which cost more for OEMs to make.

 

A lot of monitors which are FreeSync certified aren't great. They're okay and they're cheap but they're not the same quality as G-Sync displays.

 

Not all FreeSync monitors will work as you expect on Nvidia cards. Even some of the FreeSync monitors Nvidia has tested to work and were approved on Nvidia cards may not actually work as expected.


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11 hours ago, TahoeDust said:

Wow, both my monitors are on that list! But, I'm happy with the performance of both rigs my 2x VEGA64's and Radeon VII.


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Posted · Original PosterOP

I don't think it will be that the next set of GPUs AMD puts out will prove them serious or not, I'm just hoping they will atleast be on par so people have an actual choice. 

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