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Seems like a strange omittance, and likely caused by a rush to market. Does it matter? Not really. I dont know many people who would buy a compute thrashing GPU and shove them in a prebuilt.

 

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4 minutes ago, SenpaiKaplan said:

Seems like a strange omittance, and likely caused by a rush to market. Does it matter? Not really. I dont know many people who would buy a compute thrashing GPU and shove them in a prebuilt.

 

Storm in a water bottle confirmed.

As itll be likely solved by a vbios update, which many users will not know exists. I think the biggest problem is the delay in booting for some system and just having to change anything can throw off less savy people- those who can build a computer but don't really know stuff in depth. There's a lot of people out there that see the value in building their own PC even if they don't see the value in following it enough to be super informed. 

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Just now, Syntaxvgm said:

As itll be likely solved by a vbios update, I think the biggest problem is the delay in booting for some system and just having to change anything can throw off less savy people- those who can build a computer but don't really know stuff in depth. There's a lot of people out there that see the value in building their own PC even if they don't see the value in following it enough to be super informed. 

I can't speak to those who would be put off by the slightest change like that, but if I put in a balls to the walls GPU like a Radeon VII and had to wait a couple more seconds for it to boot I wouldn't really complain. If anything it'd make me feel bad ass cause my PC was such a powerhouse it needed to load up before booting.?

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12 minutes ago, SenpaiKaplan said:

I can't speak to those who would be put off by the slightest change like that, but if I put in a balls to the walls GPU like a Radeon VII and had to wait a couple more seconds for it to boot I wouldn't really complain. If anything it'd make me feel bad ass cause my PC was such a powerhouse it needed to load up before booting.?

from my memory it was long enough to think the gpu wasn't working. It can also cause secure boot to not work...I think. Idk, uefi has been supported for like ten years on team green and team red, so I have limited experience throwing a non uefi compatible card in a newer system. 

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5 minutes ago, Syntaxvgm said:

from my memory it was long enough to think the gpu wasn't working. It can also cause secure boot to not work...I think. Idk, uefi has been supported for like ten years on team green and team red, so I have limited experience throwing a non uefi compatible card in a newer system. 

That I have done, and it only causes weirdness if you have secure boot or on some boards quick boot. It will ever just not work, however.

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3 hours ago, Madgemade said:

 Most of the time you can't use Linux without disabling secure boot.

 

 

You can actually, the most common distros have  support for it, you just have to enable the devices from the system (for video cards it will be using the basic Vesa driver until you register them) if you plan to enable secure boot after the installation

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4 hours ago, GoodBytes said:

The pronunciation is open to the creator.

I wish, look at how people have butchered poor gif!

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27 minutes ago, fasauceome said:

I wish, look at how people have butchered poor gif!

 

Curious how is it supposed to be pronounced, i've allways gone with "Jiff".

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3 minutes ago, CarlBar said:

 

Curious how is it supposed to be pronounced, i've allways gone with "Jiff".

Creator says JIF. Those of us capable of speaking more than 1/2 a language say GIF because we jive a shit what that jai has to say about it.

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8 minutes ago, CarlBar said:

 

Curious how is it supposed to be pronounced, i've allways gone with "Jiff".

That's how the creator says it, but the most common pronunciation is gif like in green

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4 minutes ago, fasauceome said:

That's how the creator says it, but the most common pronunciation is gif like in green

 

It's more like give with the v sound replaced by an F sound from what i've heard people do. I have a tendency to use whatever pronunciation i first used because i've got into the habit. so i was curious as to which was right technically speaking.

 

Case in point the Ctrl key. I had no idea for years and years and years what it stood for so i took to calling it "central". I drive other techies nutz whenever i interact with them and it comes up :P.

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Replying before this thread gets too long...

 

Glad I didn't buy one!

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5 hours ago, GoodBytes said:

I see Intel, Microsoft, and other says:  U-E-F-I.

I see computer magazines says it like a word with various ways of saying it.

I think Intel knows how to pronounce it's own creation.

 

The pronunciation is open to the creator.

So technically, GeForce GTX 2080 Ty, and not "T.I"

So technically, "Jif", not "gif" 

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27 minutes ago, CarlBar said:

 

Curious how is it supposed to be pronounced, i've allways gone with "Jiff".

It's Gif, hard G.  Think Gift no t. 

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1 hour ago, fasauceome said:

I wish, look at how people have butchered poor gif!

24 minutes ago, Fez_Boy said:

So technically, "Jif", not "gif"

In this case, the correct pronunciation is *G*IF. not: jiff. The author was mistaken. Oxford dictionary has already clarified this.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/gif

This was also supported by Marriam-Webster and the Cambridge Dictionary in both US and UK languages.

 

The complication is that in English you have :

Gift: You say: Gift, not Jift

But you have:

Giblets: Where you say: Jiblets, not *G*iblets

 

I was referring more to the the acronym being said in separate letters or together as a word.

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this is one hell of a botched launch.....

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How will this be fixed?

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49 minutes ago, GoodBytes said:

The author was mistaken

author of what?

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1 minute ago, GoodBytes said:

GIF?

The creator can't be mistaken, they created it, they decide what goes. Creator says the dictionary is wrong about their own creation, I'm inclined to agree.

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1 hour ago, JoostinOnline said:

No, it's pronounced You-Eee-Efff-Eye.

Oh wow, I always thought it pronounced U. E. F. I

27 minutes ago, williamcll said:

How will this be fixed?

Vbios update. 

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1 hour ago, Fez_Boy said:

So technically, "Jif", not "gif"

 

1 hour ago, Fez_Boy said:

It's Gif, hard G.  Think Gift no t.

 

1 hour ago, GoodBytes said:

In this case, the correct pronunciation is *G*IF. not: jiff. The author was mistaken. Oxford dictionary has already clarified this.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/gif

This was also supported by Marriam-Webster and the Cambridge Dictionary in both US and UK languages.

 

The complication is that in English you have :

Gift: You say: Gift, not Jift

But you have:

Giblets: Where you say: Jiblets, not *G*iblets

 

I was referring more to the the acronym being said in separate letters or together as a word.

If "the creator picked a stupid name" was a valid argument, then every electronics store would have relabeled the Wii U with a name less idiotic.

 

I still remember E3's live chat being flooded with swear words when they announced the name.

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13 hours ago, rcmaehl said:

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Radeon VII has been found to not support UEFI. Which will cause slower booting or even non-booting for prebuilt systems using secure boot.

Boh, could you next time pls double check and look for other sources? 

 

 

Because here's what HardOCP has to say:

https://www.hardocp.com/news/2019/02/11/amd_releases_bios_for_radeon_vii_uefi_gop/

 

Quote:

AMD Releases BIOS for Radeon VII with UEFI GOP

So the TPU Source was just awful and misleading, because AMD already works for a fix, wich they don't seem to have mentioned...

 

Especially with AMD you should look for multiple, primary sources. And especially on sites that don't get favorable treatment from nVidia!!

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