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35 minutes ago, 79wjd said:

Having to listen to ads on a free service is absolutely not a valid reason to pirate something. You have no right to the content outside of the rights and conditions specifically granted by the owner of the IP. 

Whether you have the rights to something or not is irrelevant to piracy. People want the highest quality content available in the most convenient way possible. If they can't get that high quality content easily going the legal route, then they turn to piracy. They don't stop to think about whether they have the right to that content.

 

If a company bans people from the platform who try to make it even more convenient (such as by blocking ads), then they encourage those spurned users to just pirate the content, as they're not likely to suddenly pay for a service that kicked them off the platform.

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42 minutes ago, 79wjd said:

Having to listen to ads on a free service is absolutely not a valid reason to pirate something. You have no right to the content outside of the rights and conditions specifically granted by the owner of the IP.

you can't download with spotify and you need a mildly fast internet connection thing in my country doesn't exists so anyway if I wanted to listen to some music between ads I'd turn on my FM radio.

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2 hours ago, TetraSky said:

Don't start comparing adblocking to piracy, it is 100% not the same thing.
Even without adblock you might not be seeing ads, especially targeted ones as many of them are region based and if there isn't any for your region, you won't be seeing any. Ads for a brand that is only available in the US is 100% pointless for someone who doesn't live there after all. 
What will service owners do, block people in other countries because they are not seeing ads?

Other countries have ads too. It is the same thing, you are getting features of the paid version of Spotify for free. 

2 hours ago, TetraSky said:

I don't even use adblock for Youtube and haven't seen any ads for months on any of my devices, even on a different network, for example. According to you that's akin to "piracy" ? Really now?

YouTube is a different revenue structure than Spotify. 

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1 hour ago, BuckGup said:

Another reason to use a pihole

Came here just to say this, got mine running in an Ubuntu Server VM on my NAS and I route all my traffic for every device through it. I'll stop blocking ads when they stop being a potential vector for malware and stop being intrusive as fuck...or in other words neverxD

 

It's been doing pretty well so far...

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2 hours ago, Rohith_Kumar_Sp said:

imagine if youtube blocked users for using ad blockers.

I'd welcome it.

 

 

Ignore the fact that I consider being able to scrub the timeline on the ads with the MBP touchbar the thing that makes the cost worthwhile.

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3 hours ago, BuckGup said:

It's an adblocker that works by blocking the dns request of the ad. It is undetectable and runs on everything

How can it tell it's an ad and not something else?

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3 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

How can it tell it's an ad and not something else?

It uses lists made by people. Ads are served from a different location than the orginal media so it's easy to see

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1 minute ago, BuckGup said:

It uses lists made by people. Ads are served from a different location than the orginal media so it's easy to see

Do you have to update the list every so often then or does it do so automatically?

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1 hour ago, imreloadin said:

Came here just to say this, got mine running in an Ubuntu Server VM on my NAS and I route all my traffic for every device through it. I'll stop blocking ads when they stop being a potential vector for malware and stop being intrusive as fuck...or in other words neverxD

 

It's been doing pretty well so far...

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Yeah same. I have mine on a VPS so I can use it anywhere. I mainly use it to stop trackers more than ads. But it saves on cell data by a noticeable amount so I am not complaining 

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Just now, Brooksie359 said:

Do you have to update the list every so often then or does it do so automatically?

Automatically. It's super easy to install too

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kinda reminds me of those sites , You know , those sites that block you immediately as you try to read their article saying ad-blocker hurts their business,  but that's a mild different case if you get the idea , but similar, people should move into other platforms that provide them with a free service that are non intrusive in this case. don't complain.

Details separate people.

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9 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

I might have to use that now that chrome has disabled the good ad blockers. 

Yeah it's amazing

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5 hours ago, dylanthompson2 said:

I don't agree with the new terms of service for that reason.

If people want free content, they have to suck it up with the ads because that's how they make money from free accounts. Don't want ads, pay for the Premium. Businesses like Spotify are "for profit, not for charity".

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5 hours ago, Rohith_Kumar_Sp said:

imagine if youtube blocked users for using ad blockers.

It would be fine. The mere fact that YouTube aren't blocking VPNs is already a huge plus so them blocking ad blockers would be just fine. People want free content but they have to realize that everything comes with a price. Pay up (YT Premium) or get ads (free).

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5 hours ago, ZacoAttaco said:

Yeah, Spotify has already been in hot water for their use of music in free or ad-supported services. I think I recall Taylor Swift wanted to boycott the platform because she didn't like Spotify playing her music for free.

*free minus ad revenue

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5 hours ago, firelighter487 said:

1. using an ad blocker on spotify is stupid as hell. 

Name-calling isn't an argument. Personally, I don't see anything stupid about ad-blockers in general. You'd have to explain what's special about Spotify.

5 hours ago, firelighter487 said:

2. they are a private company and have the right to ban you if you use adblock for any and no reasonFTFY

 

5 hours ago, firelighter487 said:

3. spotify has a paid model called spotify premium. if you don't want ads you can buy that. 

 

Or not use Spotify. Or use an ad-blocker.

You see, your PC is yours - you have the right to run any software you like in them. Spotify has the right not to serve you, you have the right to run the browser of your choosing, enable/disable some components (flash, javascript, auto-load images...), add plugins, etc.

 

5 hours ago, Rohith_Kumar_Sp said:

imagine if youtube blocked users for using ad blockers.

Imagine if LTT started banning people who skips sponsor spots

Imagine if TV channels, or Cable TV as a whole since they run ads anyway, started banning people who do bathroom breaks during ads. Or zapping. Or stopped watching. Or otherwise didn't pay attention.

 

5 hours ago, Bcat00 said:

No shit they will ban people for that, surprised they waited so long

It isn't really that common.

 

5 hours ago, Bcat00 said:

If you think its okay to use adblocker there then you've thought wrong,

It is OK to use any piece of software you choose in your hardware.

5 hours ago, Bcat00 said:

that's no different from piracy if you want to get down to the technical terms of their service

There are actually many differences at so many levels...

 

5 hours ago, 1kv said:

This may be a bit of a problem for the people who don't want to pay for stuff, but then again does it matter? It's a good move on spotify's part, it's about time they did something about this. Why should you expect to not have to pay for something?

 

I don't expect not to have to pay for something, although there are indeed many goods and services out there you don't have to pay for - Spotify itself being one of them. 

It so happens that on top of not charging for (a version of) their service, they also decided to put ads - that's up to them. And there are even other examples when there's no charge and no ads (e.g., most Linux distributions for home users) or both (cable TV, Windows 10).

Again, it's a choice, not a necessity nor a matter of entitlement.

 

5 hours ago, firelighter487 said:

not paying or viewing ads to listen to music... looks like piracy to me... 

I walked past a street musician yesterday, and I didn't leave a coin to him. Must be a pirate.

I mean, he certainly is no charity, and there was no ticket to pay, so...

 

 

Any company can choose the business model it wants, it doesn't  mean that consumers are instantly pirates when said model doesn't play out the way they expected.

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5 hours ago, firelighter487 said:

if they don't wanna pay to get premium then they will have to accept they have to either view ads or stop using spotify. simple. 

I took the latter option.

 

Spotify's free experience is pretty crap on mobile, and when I'm at my main rig or on my laptop, I can use YouTube completely without ads. It's working pretty well so far(been doing this for a couple years).

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2 minutes ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

Imagine if LTT started banning people who skips sponsor spots

Imagine if TV channels, or Cable TV as a whole since they run ads anyway, started banning people who do bathroom breaks during ads. Or zapping. Or stopped watching. Or otherwise didn't pay attention.

Many cable providers literally do block the ability to fast forward through commercials when you pay for DVR service. 

2 minutes ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

It so happens that on top of not charging for (a version of) their service, they also decided to put ads - that's up to them. And there are even other examples when there's no charge and no ads (e.g., most Linux distributions for home users) or both (cable TV, Windows 10).

Most linux distros aren't businesses with the aim of making money. 

 

2 minutes ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

Again, it's a choice, not a necessity nor a matter of entitlement.

No, it's a matter of entitlement to believe that you're owed something for free. 

2 minutes ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

I walked past a street musician yesterday, and I didn't leave a coin to him. Must be a pirate.

I mean, he certainly is no charity, and there was no ticket to pay, so...

Nice strawman.

 

There's a difference between a musician on the street who you have no control over and no ability to avoid if you have to walk through that area. Now, you might say that if you stop with the intent of listening then you have to tip, otherwise you would be a pirate, except that 1) you never agreed to pay, 2) it's a tip, which is different than payment for service, and 3) it's being played in the public domain -- literally.

 

2 minutes ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

Any company can choose the business model it wants, it doesn't  mean that consumers are instantly pirates when said model doesn't play out the way they expected.

You're right, it's perfectly acceptable to run an adblocker. It's also perfectly reasonable for Spotify to ban anyone who does being that ads are what pays for the otherwise free service. Especially given that it's a clear violation of the ToS you agreed to when signing up.

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22 minutes ago, Dabombinable said:

*free minus ad revenue

Clearly the ad revenue wasn't enough for some artists. They wouldn't have had a problem with it otherwise. Then again, artists like Swift can be a little self-righteous when it comes to their own music and revenue.

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I'm sure it will backfire and honestly I kinda hope it does: The very top of the fucking billboard doesn't needs any more money and I can guarant-fucking-tee you that the smaller artists (That is, any artist below motherfucking platinum) don't see a fucking penny from Spotify due to their stupid revenue system anyways.

 

Ads are fucking toxic but even if you support them, Spotify is fucking toxic from separate reasons altogether so fuck em.

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8 minutes ago, 79wjd said:

Many cable providers literally do block the ability to fast forward through commercials when you pay for DVR service. 

Not what I said, though. Although it is in fact worse... 9_9

8 minutes ago, 79wjd said:

Most linux distros aren't businesses with the aim of making money. 

That's a choice, though. And they have to finance their expenses some way or another, and maybe under a different, for-profit model they wouldn't even exist. Just because a company decides on a particular model doesn't mean everyone else needs to adjust their behavior to ensure its success.

 

8 minutes ago, 79wjd said:

 

No, it's a matter of entitlement to believe that you're owed something for free. 

Running an ad-blocker doesn't instantly equate to having any particular belief, nor the specific belief to be entitled to free stuff. You're just assuming what you want to assume...

 

8 minutes ago, 79wjd said:

Nice strawman.

Actually, the strawman is to invent a sense of entitlement when no one claimed to be entitled to anything. You are pretending to read people's mind and their motivations to bring your strawman to life, rather than sticking to what's observable - behavior. And using a particular plugin is a perfectly valid action.

 

8 minutes ago, 79wjd said:

 

There's a difference between a musician on the street who you have no control over and no ability to avoid if you have to walk through that area.

I have no control over Spotify streaming openly for free. Also, I could take action to not hear the musician. I can block my ears as much as I can disable the ad-blocker for Spotify instead of leaving it at default behavior. That is not the point, though: the point is that his choice to base his income on voluntary donations doesn't create an obligation for me to make his model work. Same with Spotify's 

 

8 minutes ago, 79wjd said:

Now, you might say that if you stop with the intent of listening then you have to tip, otherwise you would be a pirate,

No, not even - piracy is not about consumption, it's about distribution. I'd have to record the musician and upload it somewhere to be a pirate.

 

8 minutes ago, 79wjd said:

except that 1) you never agreed to pay, 2) it's a tip, which is different than payment for service, and 3) it's being played in the public domain -- literally.

Like radio, or open TV, or free newspapers... Spotify may have the technology to enforce ad consumption to a greater extent, but it doesn't mean that media without such "ad enforcement" technology couldn't survive and in fact make money, despite zapping, etc.

 

8 minutes ago, 79wjd said:

 

You're right, it's perfectly acceptable to run an adblocker. It's also perfectly reasonable for Spotify to ban anyone who does being that ads are what pays for the otherwise free service.

 

Especially given that it's a clear violation of the ToS you agreed to when signing up.

Well, I haven't since I haven't signed up :P But yes, as I said at the beginning of my post, they can disable free accounts for that reason - and, probably, for no reason, as most ToS usually state, just like I could get banned from LTT's forum for any reason they like or even no reason at all.

I never questioned their right to serve or not serve whoever they want, in fact I emphasize their freedom to choose who and how, and to succeed or fail by doing so. I simply brushed off the idea that this is some form of moral elevation, or "anti-piracy measure".

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Meanwhile, Premium user for a while now. 

 

I don't know what else to say other than whenever something is free, there's always a caveat. 

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7 hours ago, 79wjd said:

 

They should do what Hulu does/did (intentionally/not). 

 

Quadruple the length of breaks between songs. Want to avoid ads? Fine, sit in silence for three minutes instead.

The problem with youtube is there's still no youtube premium for India, youtube Red never came here and that thing is now called premium, so even i want to pay for a ad free service, there isn't, they know the amount of people here in India, they can make 10 folds by ads than giving out premium services as no one would buy them, so they don't.

have i mentioned spotify is still not available in India? 

 

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